The discussion wasn't just about M or that one shot, it was about that fight and the editing of fight scenes in QoS. I'd say I was more spot on than some.
I've got to say that one effect of the action editing is to add interest to repeated viewings. To a degree. With each viewing, one hopes to make better sense of what's happening than in the viewing before; one sort of develops an improving sense of what to look out for. But in sequences where some of the necessary information just isn't there at all, this ends up feeling like chasing a holy grail.
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I've got to say that one effect of the action editing is to add interest to repeated viewings. To a degree. With each viewing, one hopes to make better sense of what's happening than in the viewing before; one sort of develops an improving sense of what to look out for. But in sequences where some of the necessary information just isn't there at all, this ends up feeling like chasing a holy grail.
Yeah every time I watch the boat chase I expect there to be a shot where we see Bond throw the other end of the rope, with anchor attached, into the water- but I haven't seen it once yet. As it is, it always seems to work that throwing one end of a rope that's in your boat into another one makes it flip over, and that's not quite consistent with the physics of the world I live in.
Does Sir Miles's copy have that shot in it?
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,793Chief of Staff
IMHO he wasn't. In CR06 Le Chiffre tells Craig (I often can't bring myself to call him Bond) that Mathis is his friend to draw suspicion away from Vesper. Apart from that there's no indication that he's a double agent.
I tend to lean that way too...it’s just the dialogue they have as Mathis is dying ?:)
Could be that Mathis is also turned like Vesper was and neither know about the other?
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Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,793Chief of Staff
The discussion wasn't just about M or that one shot, it was about that fight and the editing of fight scenes in QoS. I'd say I was more spot on than some.
No, it was just about that one shot...as you referenced yourself...
No.The director should have shot the scene in a way that makes it clear what’s happening.
…as that followed a couple of posts about the possible(?) shooting of M...if you meant the chase as a whole then I apologise as I’ve completely misread your post as a follow on from that.
We were discussing the one shot as a part of a general cristisism of the edioting of that scene and the other action scenes in QoS. I know from experience how difficult it can be dropping into an ungoing discussion, so we're fine.
IMHO he wasn't. In CR06 Le Chiffre tells Craig (I often can't bring myself to call him Bond) that Mathis is his friend to draw suspicion away from Vesper. Apart from that there's no indication that he's a double agent.
I tend to lean that way too...it’s just the dialogue they have as Mathis is dying ?:)
Could be that Mathis is also turned like Vesper was and neither know about the other?
It has to be remembered that there was a writers' strike at the time and various people worked on the script. Perhaps the editor wrote that dialogue...?
IMHO he wasn't. In CR06 Le Chiffre tells Craig (I often can't bring myself to call him Bond) that Mathis is his friend to draw suspicion away from Vesper. Apart from that there's no indication that he's a double agent.
I tend to lean that way too...it’s just the dialogue they have as Mathis is dying ?:)
Could be that Mathis is also turned like Vesper was and neither know about the other?
It has to be remembered that there was a writers' strike at the time and various people worked on the script. Perhaps the editor wrote that dialogue...?
True enough but you’d think they would have had a clear idea by the time they came to film that scene? I guess at least one them watched CR06 :v perhaps DC made it up as he went along - he did have a hand in writing it.
As with so much in this film, Camille's back markings are never explained.
To that point, there's no way that a woman would wear a shirt like that with those scars. Most guys wouldn't either.
True, so we're supposed to notice it... and then it's never explained.
I watched QoS again last night as it was on tv. When Camille goes to see Dominic after he tried to have her killed, they're standing at the water's edge and he has his arms around her. He says " you know what burns me more than all your bullsh*t ……… " and as he says that he touches her scars. If that's meant to be a clue, it's a poor one. I've never picked up on that before and only noticed it last night because it came up in this chat.
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,793Chief of Staff
I watched it again last night also...
As for the possibility of M being shot - again I think it’s very clear that the metal stand in front of her is hit (you can hear the sound of the bullet hit it) and then you see M running away...
And as for the scars on Camille’s back? These are explained during a conversation she has with Bond.
As you know I n the UK they are playing each DC film one per week. In hommage I have been choosing a suitable attire each weekend so this week it was ......
Today it was this
Yesterday it was this
Not the strongest plot vs what was originally planned for QOS, but I do like the styling! The original plan was it would release 1 year after CR and would see Bond going in search of Vespers boyfriend, but he finds himself embroiled in a multilayered charade involving stolen antiquities, arms dealing, precious metals, nerve gas, the CIA and a mysterious organisation similar to SPECTRE. Kind of a shame really they never got that far.
And just messing with some props this:
With an afternoon off I decided to do some reading on the film here:
Well it keeps me outta trouble in these pandemic times )
My downfall I just found a black 2008 DBS with Casino wheels only 75k! (maybe one day)
Roll on Skyfall next week, but choices are limited for summer wear so I guess it will be the Setters one day and enjoying death the next depending on the weather!
Cheers :007)
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Yeah every time I watch the boat chase I expect there to be a shot where we see Bond throw the other end of the rope, with anchor attached, into the water- but I haven't seen it once yet. As it is, it always seems to work that throwing one end of a rope that's in your boat into another one makes it flip over, and that's not quite consistent with the physics of the world I live in.
Does Sir Miles's copy have that shot in it?
I tend to lean that way too...it’s just the dialogue they have as Mathis is dying ?:)
Could be that Mathis is also turned like Vesper was and neither know about the other?
No, it was just about that one shot...as you referenced yourself...
…as that followed a couple of posts about the possible(?) shooting of M...if you meant the chase as a whole then I apologise as I’ve completely misread your post as a follow on from that.
as they would say on Jeopardy, "what is ... idiotic editing"!
It has to be remembered that there was a writers' strike at the time and various people worked on the script. Perhaps the editor wrote that dialogue...?
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I think, that we have a new term for the AJB glossary
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Can‘t see it, Barbel
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Usually an update is also mentioned in the comments
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Didn't bother, feel free to do so.
Well, I'm surprised- I'll put that in.
Edit- done.
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Mislead
Blinded
Totally nuts
Out of touch fanatic
Pathetic crazy
Would be more fitting
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Any comments on QoS?
True enough but you’d think they would have had a clear idea by the time they came to film that scene? I guess at least one them watched CR06 :v perhaps DC made it up as he went along - he did have a hand in writing it.
I watched QoS again last night as it was on tv. When Camille goes to see Dominic after he tried to have her killed, they're standing at the water's edge and he has his arms around her. He says " you know what burns me more than all your bullsh*t ……… " and as he says that he touches her scars. If that's meant to be a clue, it's a poor one. I've never picked up on that before and only noticed it last night because it came up in this chat.
As for the possibility of M being shot - again I think it’s very clear that the metal stand in front of her is hit (you can hear the sound of the bullet hit it) and then you see M running away...
And as for the scars on Camille’s back? These are explained during a conversation she has with Bond.
As you know I n the UK they are playing each DC film one per week. In hommage I have been choosing a suitable attire each weekend so this week it was ......
Today it was this
Yesterday it was this
Not the strongest plot vs what was originally planned for QOS, but I do like the styling! The original plan was it would release 1 year after CR and would see Bond going in search of Vespers boyfriend, but he finds himself embroiled in a multilayered charade involving stolen antiquities, arms dealing, precious metals, nerve gas, the CIA and a mysterious organisation similar to SPECTRE. Kind of a shame really they never got that far.
And just messing with some props this:
With an afternoon off I decided to do some reading on the film here:
Well it keeps me outta trouble in these pandemic times
My downfall I just found a black 2008 DBS with Casino wheels only 75k! (maybe one day)
Roll on Skyfall next week, but choices are limited for summer wear so I guess it will be the Setters one day and enjoying death the next depending on the weather!
Cheers :007)