Screen Accuracy
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How important is screen accuracy to you? And why is it important?
I understand if you're a collector, the value of the piece is contingent upon its having appeared in a film. But what about clothing items you plan to wear? Will you select sunglasses chosen for Craig's strong-jawed face even if they don't work at all on your long, skinny one?
Having spent some years on this board now, I see some interesting attitudes toward the SA question.
For instance, there's a lot of debate about whether the TF jeans in NTTD are slim or straight and which to buy. When the difference seems almost immaterial in the pictures we've seen. They're clearly slim-ish *on Daniel Craig's muscular body*. So does the exact model matter more than how they appear on Craig? And whether you'd get the same effect?
(And Craig IMHO wears some things in the films that don't work at all on him either. He'd have been much better off with the Vuarnet Edges 1614 or 1615 than with the bug-eyed 1613.)
There's also the fact that just about everything worn by Bond has been altered in some way. The Barbour To Ki To is SA, but Jany tailored the hell out of it, and the Barbour Commander more closely resembles what we see in Skyfall. So what did you go for?
People can also seem selective in how highly they value even a SA "look." For instance, lots of us buy Sunspel Rivieras based on the Bahamas return scene in CR. But I haven't seen many posts by AJBers desperate to emulate those bell bottomish pants he wears coming off the helicopter.
I'm NOT trying to argue for or against screen accuracy. I'm just interested hearing from people how they assess it and the importance it has for them.
I understand if you're a collector, the value of the piece is contingent upon its having appeared in a film. But what about clothing items you plan to wear? Will you select sunglasses chosen for Craig's strong-jawed face even if they don't work at all on your long, skinny one?
Having spent some years on this board now, I see some interesting attitudes toward the SA question.
For instance, there's a lot of debate about whether the TF jeans in NTTD are slim or straight and which to buy. When the difference seems almost immaterial in the pictures we've seen. They're clearly slim-ish *on Daniel Craig's muscular body*. So does the exact model matter more than how they appear on Craig? And whether you'd get the same effect?
(And Craig IMHO wears some things in the films that don't work at all on him either. He'd have been much better off with the Vuarnet Edges 1614 or 1615 than with the bug-eyed 1613.)
There's also the fact that just about everything worn by Bond has been altered in some way. The Barbour To Ki To is SA, but Jany tailored the hell out of it, and the Barbour Commander more closely resembles what we see in Skyfall. So what did you go for?
People can also seem selective in how highly they value even a SA "look." For instance, lots of us buy Sunspel Rivieras based on the Bahamas return scene in CR. But I haven't seen many posts by AJBers desperate to emulate those bell bottomish pants he wears coming off the helicopter.
I'm NOT trying to argue for or against screen accuracy. I'm just interested hearing from people how they assess it and the importance it has for them.
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The Armani jacket from CR is brown, but it is so dark on screen that replicating the shade seems impossible, based on the efforts of the folks doing the replicas.
I had the Tokito altered to the specs of the screen-accurate version, as I was not interested in a hooded coat, nor in a jacket with extraneous buttons and zippers. The Commander is missing some details of the Tokito.
I'm a member of a Ghostbusters community and one of the big debates is the color of the flight suits. When you see the flightsuits on display they're decidedly khaki in person. But when you watch the original Ghostbusters, the filmstock and color grading makes the costume appear much more gray. So what do you do? Go with khaki or dye it to recreate the end result? I dyed mine. Because I care about the screen result not the starting point.
Take the All Saints Iggys in SF - the production team dyed them darker. Which is what I did with mine. So there's room for debate as to what one considers "screen accurate" but just a random, off brand, straight cut pair cords in the right color isn't acceptable to me.
About the only exception I've made is for re-interpretations of costumes that simply don't exist. The Orlebar Brown stuff, basically.
I also find it impossible to copy the colours as seen on screen. One of my favourite suits of the series is the blue suit in The Man with the Golden Gun. But as for the shade of blue, it's a bright mid blue on the DVD and a muted navy on the Blu-ray. Is one more accurate than the other?
"Keeping British end up, sir." - RM "This never happened to the other fellow." - JL "I must be dreaming." SC
I'll go for SA as long as it's within reach; mostly shoes, watches and firearms. A quality Iconic Alternative of most anything else will suffice since I purchase to wear versus collect.
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That might be why I desire screen accuracy when I do pursue an item - it's just a couple of pieces per movie. I think the only full outfit I've wanted is from QoS' third act (hurry up, Harrington Project I want that damn jacket).
I have a couple of near-enough Tom Ford suits that match ones in Skyfall and Spectre except for an extra sleeve button or whatever.
And one ensemble that’s almost perfectly screen accurate: the MA Sloop suit, braces, tie, and chukkas. I can’t bring myself to splurge on the Brunello shirt. And I’m still waiting for Blair to identify the socks!
It’s odd because I will throw on a Royale jacket and think nothing of it, but when I wear the John Varvatos I get this pleasant feeling knowing it’s the real deal. I find it hard to explain.
"Keeping British end up, sir." - RM "This never happened to the other fellow." - JL "I must be dreaming." SC
So, I take an inspiration from Bond and then buy what suits me. For instance, I always loved the Omega SMP, but bought the one that really spoke to me (the prior generation without the wave dial) instead of buying one that is SA but I like less. The same goes for my Aqua Terra. Having already gotten a blue watch, I decided to go for a white dial version of the AT. Again, I just liked that version more than the SA one. So I bought the one I fell in love with, not the exact same one as Bond wears.
On occasions I have a go mad moment or point of principle like creating my own SA Omega Black 8500 in Ti, why you may ask because I felt somewhat duped back in 2012, to be fair later found out it was DCs fault anyway (and Omega refused to do it, so I did it anyway who needs their permission anyway)
Like others here Bond introduced me to some brands like OB, jV, N Peal and TF, but I was already engaged with other brands like Omega, Barbour and Sunspel.
Sometimes my SA is almost complete lbut I switch it up due to personal preference like my QOS look of TF108s, 7 FAK jeans and Ryders but then go sunspel navy polo i/o TF Polo because I prefer the former. Then other times I go nearly for the complete budget version of a look, example Smedley Navy Noah, Grey Topman SF chinos and Aldo DBs, but then wear Spectre 300 with it).
Like most I would love to go SA all the way but generally costs prohibit that - DBS will come one day! For me Clothing is definitely for wearing and I see accessories like the watches or sunglasses as wearable investments.
My collecting has evolved over time, but for a look I like I generally start using budget items and pick off the individual SA items I really like or when opportunity presents itself no matter how long (like 7 FAK 12 years or Y3 10 years)
Boy this Bond milarky can really dent your wallet!
But also I feel with the end of DC as Bond (whom was the Bond of my era) my Bond SA days will start to demise, it’s been fun but it will be the turn of the next generation.
Cheers :007)
Dont think I have ever worn a “full” Bond outfit despite owning most of it - sometimes I feel it would be a bit daft too.
Its a nuts hobby and ive ran out of room - I believe I might have every casual jacket from Casino - NTTD.
Will prob always top up with Sunspel Tees for the rest of my days as I live in them 90% of the time
Also appreciate some of DCs personal brands - RM William boots for one!!
Love TF but my wallet wont miss those purchases whatsoever!!!
But I too am generally kinda over outfit collecting. I'm trying to tie a few loose ends on older movies atm. But the borderline obsessive quests are a real time suck and I really hate how many hours I've devoted to it.
I have no idea what this is in reference to but I'd love to know!
If I remember correctly the Planet Ocean that was used was made out of titanium and designed specifically for Skyfall. The retail/007 versions that Omega sold were made in stainless steel and not titanium. Here is a link that explains the situation....
https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/product/omega-seamaster-planet-ocean-23230422101001
Long story short during the filming of Skyfall rumours were DC was getting a watch that matched the colour of his eyes (blue). His previous wear had been a PO so could be the Blue Ti 8500 as it was the only blue PO at the time. So I went and bought the Blue PO Ti, as it was cheaper in the US as I was there at the time (yeah ok it was a bit of a punt that went the other way). Film comes out and he does have a PO but it’s the Grey Steel (as marketed at the time) and he does have a blue one to match his eyes the AT!
Later in 2012 at the Bond 50th Auction I was looking at the watch on display and only by chance bought a programme as a keep sake. Thumbing through it I discovered the PO was in fact a custom made Ti one (because DC had complained about the weight). That must have buggered Omega having put all their marketing into the steel version. Over the years I researched the marketing and they never actually reference the steel as the one worn by Bond, but through shrewd marketing you would think it was one and the same only those in the know knew otherwise.
Now I had the PO Ti and over the years came to love it’s weight or lack there of (weight was much closer to the 2500). Many who had the steel were not so keen on the weight of that. Over time opportunity came up to get the AT and then the PO in steel. Being able to compare both PO’s the weight difference was noticeable. Then I had the chance to get the 2500 PO LM LE (same as DC and a transitional watch I always wanted) so effectively had two very similar black PO watches in steel. So I was seriously considering selling the Bond PO 8500 steel. Just as I was about to pull that trigger a second PO Ti came up for an absolute steel and I decided to right the wrong. Went to my trusted watch dudes and got them to make the swap. Hey presto I had the truly SA Black PO 8500 in Ti. I then sold the Blue steel version and came out almost net neutral in terms of overall cost.
The auctioned one went for about £130k at the Bond 50th auction, mine came in a lot less than that, is one of only 2 in the wild and it’s now one of my favourite watches second only to QOS PO. It’s also a great conversation piece when a fellow wearer says ‘snap’ and I respond ‘I don’t think so’ and tell them why. Most are then curious to do the weight comparison and shocked at the difference.
Sorry was not quiet the short after all - just wanted to prove I was not completely mad, but a collection of circumstances got to this point today
With Dan releasing his enjoying death shirt it’s been on my wrist for a couple of weeks now as that would have been the watch on Bonds watch during that period.
Cheers :007)
P.S Here is a shot of all three 8500s see if you can spot the steel one
I have always assumed that also
One Omega for 2 bottles of Macallan
And have you seen the price of the jacket he’s wearing??
Cheers :007)
Haha - that’s exactly where I told my (ex-)partner I got mine from, when she questioned ‘Another jacket??’.
‘oh it s just some cheap tat from the market dear...!’
Usually when something doesn’t work on me, it’s the same reason it doesn’t work on Craig. The look is “too young” for a middle aged man, even one who takes care of himself.
Presuming the next actor is significantly younger, as he should be, I doubt I’ll find him a useful inspiration.