I've seen several people say the numbers being thrown about in negotiations are eye popping. If Netflix paid 100 million for Friends for a few years (a show people had seen, and many owned on DVD) and dropped 200 million to make a terrible Michael Bay movie I'm really curious what Apple/Netflix would pay for an exlusive first run at a mega property like Bond. A billion?
Apple has all the cash in the world to do it. And they're anxious to get their streaming service subs up. The more I think about it the more I feel like the number has to be closer to a billion than not. That, to me, is an eye popping number. And anything less than 600 million is probably too low for EON anyway.
From what little I have read (and most of it is probably also speculation) is that Apple would be interested in MGM, not just for their half of Bond, but MGM's vast library of films which would fill a huge need for content. I don't know much about business or contract law, etc but even if Apple bought MGM, they would still only be partners when it comes to Bond and have no choice but to deal with EON.
..what Apple/Netflix would pay for an exlusive first run at a mega property like Bond. A billion?
At a billion, just for the North-American VOD rights, EON might consider I'd think. Then again, it would mean a severe blow to North-American cinemas . Plus the risk (well, certainty) of the film being leaked onto the www, causing extra losses for cinemas worldwide. All in all, EON would kinda be selling out Bond for Apple/Netflix' gain.
Apple+ desperately needs content to compete with their streaming rivals, hence the talk about their wanting MGM. NTTD would be the incentive for people to subscribe but doesn’t serve their interests well as a one-off. That said, deals can be cut all sorts of ways.
It isn’t up to EON, or in its power, to “save” theaters. There are huge societal and technological forces at work changing how people receive entertainment, some of which are pandemic related, but it goes beyond that. Keep in mind, too, that cinema has survived TV and the internet and social media.
The maths don't work on one side making distributors, licensees and others whole, plus retaining margin, for anything less than $1b and that doesn't work for the other side, none of the streaming platforms have the universality to justify it.
Also, as others have noted streaming in any market first would have more pirates than a Johnny Depp comicon appearance.
I can't see it happening for NTTD. I can see a limited theatre run first followed by very quick streaming appearance.
I do think that this experience will accelerate/change the longer term conversation with how Bond 26/the franchise deal with a changed world for delivery. I wouldn't surprised to see Bond 26 on a dual delivery or streaming first package.
Just out of curiosity. How are all your guys feeling about a new bond film at this point? I mean, i was like pretty excited up until the latest delay. But after that im like, not that i dont care anymore, but i just doesnt think about and not so hyped anymore. Because there are so much other stuff going on in the world now.
But when the time finally comes. Next april or whenever it will be, do you guys think you will be just ass hyped again? Will it still feel fresh? If the movie was made 3 years ago?
Im a long time fan, but right now its diffucult to care for this movie. Fingers crossed for april next year. (And in theatres) but i wont belive it until i see it. Hopefully i will get hyped again. -{
With each marketing campaign, they have to put out new stuff (e.g. we have like 20 posters for this movie already). And now, we‘re slowly at a point where everybody can sort of puzzle the whole movie together, not even taking into consideration the campaign for next April....and that‘s bad.
There’s already a supercut trailer out there (which I urge anyone NOT to watch) and when the April marketing will be for nothing and we’re facing another delay until November 2021 with yet another promotional campaign, then this supercut trailer will morph into like 20 mins worth of film...
That‘s why I think they should just delay this movie indefinitely without a release date if they already hold on SO stubbornly to a cinematic release.
I admit my joy/hype/excitement has dropped with all the delays, but I know for certain that whenever the film actually gets released at the cinema and I go in, buy my tickets, get my popcorn, find my seat, settle in and then finally through the darkness hear the Bond theme and see the gunbarrel, I'll feel like a damn kid on Christmas morning.
I admit my joy/hype/excitement has dropped with all the delays, but I know for certain that whenever the film actually gets released at the cinema and I go in, buy my tickets, get my popcorn, find my seat, settle in and then finally through the darkness hear the Bond theme and see the gunbarrel, I'll feel like a damn kid on Christmas morning.
I expect this to be the case for myself, and I think most people would feel this way. The excitement will be there when we’re watching it. When I saw the clip from the film shared on Jimmy Fallon, despite seeing so many photos and shots in the trailer from the scene, it felt entirely fresh. I think the whole film will feel fresh too.
But I can’t say how any of us will feel when it’s all over. I was excited to see every one of Craig’s films when they came out. Yet none excite me today like OHMSS or MR still do some 20 viewings later. Most likely the film will have the same effect on us delay or no delay.
The delays have giving me more time to wonder why Blofeld and Swann are returning. Both were utterly underwhelming characters in the dreadful Spectre film. The script writers worry me and the extra time has made me think about the director. Apart from True Detective and the Alienist which I really enjoyed I’m not keen on anything else he’s done. I always hope for the best but for me all films since CR have disappointed in some ways. QoS has improved over multiple viewings and the first half of Skyfall has been the same. Both Skyfall and Spectre showed to me that quality actors don’t always make good Bond villains. I always want and hope for the best so I’m hoping it all works out.
I have been kind of burnt out on NTTD the last month or so. But like others have said I'm sure I'll be as excited as ever once I'm actually in the theater to watch it.
So Wonder Woman 1984 is sticking with its Christmas Day release but is also going to be released simultaneously on HBO Max in the US. Could be an option for NTTD...but which service?
So Wonder Woman 1984 is sticking with its Christmas Day release but is also going to be released simultaneously on HBO Max in the US. Could be an option for NTTD...but which service?
So Wonder Woman 1984 is sticking with its Christmas Day release but is also going to be released simultaneously on HBO Max in the US. Could be an option for NTTD...but which service?
Internationally, where there's no HBO Max, there's a cinema release only on Dec 16.
That's the big barrier. WW84 aided by being owned by Warner, who has HBO Max.
The irony is that WW84 was to be released on Nov 1, 2019 and all indications are it was ready to be released. It was delayed in the belief a summer 2020 release would earn more money.
So Wonder Woman 1984 is sticking with its Christmas Day release but is also going to be released simultaneously on HBO Max in the US. Could be an option for NTTD...but which service?
Internationally, where there's no HBO Max, there's a cinema release only on Dec 16.
That's the big barrier. WW84 aided by being owned by Warner, who has HBO Max.
NTTD is a co-production between MGM and Universal Pictures; Universal Pictures is a division of NBCUniversal; NBC Universal owns the streaming services Peacock and has a 33% stake in Hulu (Disney owns 60%).
I think Peacock is just TV shows so what about Hulu? I believe Hulu already has the whole Bond series in its catalogue, as well as the doco Becoming Bond (and the MI and Bourne series') so NTTD would fit right in there. Buuuuut like HBO Max, Hulu is only US...
So Wonder Woman 1984 is sticking with its Christmas Day release but is also going to be released simultaneously on HBO Max in the US. Could be an option for NTTD...but which service?
Internationally, where there's no HBO Max, there's a cinema release only on Dec 16.
That's the big barrier. WW84 aided by being owned by Warner, who has HBO Max.
NTTD is a co-production between MGM and Universal Pictures; Universal Pictures is a division of NBCUniversal; NBC Universal owns the streaming services Peacock and has a 33% stake in Hulu (Disney owns 60%).
I think Peacock is just TV shows so what about Hulu? I believe Hulu already has the whole Bond series in its catalogue, as well as the doco Becoming Bond (and the MI and Bourne series') so NTTD would fit right in there. Buuuuut like HBO Max, Hulu is only US...
Universal just has international distribution rights IIRC, they weren't involved in the production. That's why MGM was shopping it to Netflix and Apple at one point and not Universal. Though, I could have my information confused so anyone please correct me if I am.
Really, at this point I think I have two firm beliefs based on news:
1. EON, who based on reporting has a veto right over streaming, is committed to a theatrical release.
2. Theatrical release will be possible sometime in 2021 due to tremendous, almost miraculous success in vaccination development.
April may be dicey, but I think Summer 2021 isn't impossible. I know in my state, DHHS has said ~March/April general population will get vaccinations.
And frankly, risk plummets tremendously once health care workers and high-risk populations get vaccinated.
All comes down to the success of OPERATION WARP SPEED (sidenote: doesn't that sound like a Bond villain's plan name ) )
That's the big barrier. WW84 aided by being owned by Warner, who has HBO Max.
NTTD is a co-production between MGM and Universal Pictures; Universal Pictures is a division of NBCUniversal; NBC Universal owns the streaming services Peacock and has a 33% stake in Hulu (Disney owns 60%).
I think Peacock is just TV shows so what about Hulu? I believe Hulu already has the whole Bond series in its catalogue, as well as the doco Becoming Bond (and the MI and Bourne series') so NTTD would fit right in there. Buuuuut like HBO Max, Hulu is only US...
Universal just has international distribution rights IIRC, they weren't involved in the production. That's why MGM was shopping it to Netflix and Apple at one point and not Universal. Though, I could have my information confused so anyone please correct me if I am.
Really, at this point I think I have two firm beliefs based on news:
1. EON, who based on reporting has a veto right over streaming, is committed to a theatrical release.
2. Theatrical release will be possible sometime in 2021 due to tremendous, almost miraculous success in vaccination development.
April may be dicey, but I think Summer 2021 isn't impossible. I know in my state, DHHS has said ~March/April general population will get vaccinations.
And frankly, risk plummets tremendously once health care workers and high-risk populations get vaccinated.
All comes down to the success of OPERATION WARP SPEED (sidenote: doesn't that sound like a Bond villain's plan name ) )
I think your post is spot on. If all goes well with the vaccine, my guess is EON will opt for a late November 2021 release date and not try to jockey for position with all the other tentpoles that will be looking for a summer release.
The Wonder Woman HBO Max release news is very interesting but not totally surprising. HBO/HBO Max is owned by Warner Media and is deeply embedded with Warner Bros Studio in resurrecting the DC Universe. HBO Max will be showing the much anticipated mini series version of the "Snyder Cut" of the Justice League movie (which Warners poured over 73 Million into) and there are plans for several high budget DC Universe TV series on HBO Max. No question, HBO/Warners is trying to go head to head with Disney+/Marvel and raising up the ante by offering the highly anticipated tentpole, Wonder Woman 1985 at no extra premium charge (unlike Disney who were hitting up subscribers and extra $30.00 to stream Mulan). The only issue I see with HBO Max is the lack of 4K HDR capability (although HBO Max streams at a much high bitrate than regular HBO, Showtime, etc and looks much better).
One has to wonder if in competing with Disney and all its high zoot franchises, the folks over at Warners might be a good candidate to buy out MGM's stake in Bond....hmmm.
This is huge, though they call it a stop-gap measure, and shows signs that studios know theaters won't make enough money to justify wide theatrical releases in 2021:
Warner Bros. Will Debut Its Entire 2021 Theatrical Slate on HBO Max
This is huge, though they call it a stop-gap measure, and shows signs that studios know theaters won't make enough money to justify wide theatrical releases in 2021:
Warner Bros. Will Debut Its Entire 2021 Theatrical Slate on HBO Max
This is huge, though they call it a stop-gap measure, and shows signs that studios know theaters won't make enough money to justify wide theatrical releases in 2021:
Warner Bros. Will Debut Its Entire 2021 Theatrical Slate on HBO Max
I don't think your point is invalid, but I also wonder if this also is Warner trying to expand into streaming/salvage HBO Max.
Big thing to watch is if Disney follows or if they stick to theaters.
This isn't expanding into streaming or "salvaging" HBO Max when they're throwing their entire theatrical slate at it - Dune, Godzilla, Suicide Squad, new Matrix - this is a massive move.
And Disney made the first move of this kind with Mulan. They will almost certainly follow suit with Black Widow soon.
They will almost certainly follow suit with Black Widow soon.
That’s my thought, too. Black Widow isn’t a tent pole Marvel film (or they wouldn’t have waited a decade to make it). If ever there was a big but not blockbuster-size movie to premiere on Disney’s+, this may be it.
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Apple has all the cash in the world to do it. And they're anxious to get their streaming service subs up. The more I think about it the more I feel like the number has to be closer to a billion than not. That, to me, is an eye popping number. And anything less than 600 million is probably too low for EON anyway.
At a billion, just for the North-American VOD rights, EON might consider I'd think. Then again, it would mean a severe blow to North-American cinemas . Plus the risk (well, certainty) of the film being leaked onto the www, causing extra losses for cinemas worldwide. All in all, EON would kinda be selling out Bond for Apple/Netflix' gain.
It isn’t up to EON, or in its power, to “save” theaters. There are huge societal and technological forces at work changing how people receive entertainment, some of which are pandemic related, but it goes beyond that. Keep in mind, too, that cinema has survived TV and the internet and social media.
'The film is not for sale': MGM quashes rumors it's seeking to release Bond movie No Time To Die on streaming VOD
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8878847/MGM-quashes-rumors-seeking-release-Bond-movie-No-Time-Die-streaming-VOD.html
(no money left now...send food parcels)
What a scoop ! Did anyone here seriously thought it was possible ? It is EON we are talking about...
Also, as others have noted streaming in any market first would have more pirates than a Johnny Depp comicon appearance.
I can't see it happening for NTTD. I can see a limited theatre run first followed by very quick streaming appearance.
I do think that this experience will accelerate/change the longer term conversation with how Bond 26/the franchise deal with a changed world for delivery. I wouldn't surprised to see Bond 26 on a dual delivery or streaming first package.
Variety piece on MGM's finances and NTTD.. Doesn't look good for the future going forward.
...and the same will happen come April...
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But when the time finally comes. Next april or whenever it will be, do you guys think you will be just ass hyped again? Will it still feel fresh? If the movie was made 3 years ago?
Im a long time fan, but right now its diffucult to care for this movie. Fingers crossed for april next year. (And in theatres) but i wont belive it until i see it. Hopefully i will get hyped again. -{
Starting to feel like no more surprises
With each marketing campaign, they have to put out new stuff (e.g. we have like 20 posters for this movie already). And now, we‘re slowly at a point where everybody can sort of puzzle the whole movie together, not even taking into consideration the campaign for next April....and that‘s bad.
There’s already a supercut trailer out there (which I urge anyone NOT to watch) and when the April marketing will be for nothing and we’re facing another delay until November 2021 with yet another promotional campaign, then this supercut trailer will morph into like 20 mins worth of film...
That‘s why I think they should just delay this movie indefinitely without a release date if they already hold on SO stubbornly to a cinematic release.
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Check it out, you won’t be disappointed
I expect this to be the case for myself, and I think most people would feel this way. The excitement will be there when we’re watching it. When I saw the clip from the film shared on Jimmy Fallon, despite seeing so many photos and shots in the trailer from the scene, it felt entirely fresh. I think the whole film will feel fresh too.
But I can’t say how any of us will feel when it’s all over. I was excited to see every one of Craig’s films when they came out. Yet none excite me today like OHMSS or MR still do some 20 viewings later. Most likely the film will have the same effect on us delay or no delay.
True Detective...you must not have enjoyed it that much
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Internationally, where there's no HBO Max, there's a cinema release only on Dec 16.
That's the big barrier. WW84 aided by being owned by Warner, who has HBO Max.
The irony is that WW84 was to be released on Nov 1, 2019 and all indications are it was ready to be released. It was delayed in the belief a summer 2020 release would earn more money.
NTTD is a co-production between MGM and Universal Pictures; Universal Pictures is a division of NBCUniversal; NBC Universal owns the streaming services Peacock and has a 33% stake in Hulu (Disney owns 60%).
I think Peacock is just TV shows so what about Hulu? I believe Hulu already has the whole Bond series in its catalogue, as well as the doco Becoming Bond (and the MI and Bourne series') so NTTD would fit right in there. Buuuuut like HBO Max, Hulu is only US...
Universal just has international distribution rights IIRC, they weren't involved in the production. That's why MGM was shopping it to Netflix and Apple at one point and not Universal. Though, I could have my information confused so anyone please correct me if I am.
Really, at this point I think I have two firm beliefs based on news:
1. EON, who based on reporting has a veto right over streaming, is committed to a theatrical release.
2. Theatrical release will be possible sometime in 2021 due to tremendous, almost miraculous success in vaccination development.
April may be dicey, but I think Summer 2021 isn't impossible. I know in my state, DHHS has said ~March/April general population will get vaccinations.
And frankly, risk plummets tremendously once health care workers and high-risk populations get vaccinated.
All comes down to the success of OPERATION WARP SPEED (sidenote: doesn't that sound like a Bond villain's plan name
I think your post is spot on. If all goes well with the vaccine, my guess is EON will opt for a late November 2021 release date and not try to jockey for position with all the other tentpoles that will be looking for a summer release.
The Wonder Woman HBO Max release news is very interesting but not totally surprising. HBO/HBO Max is owned by Warner Media and is deeply embedded with Warner Bros Studio in resurrecting the DC Universe. HBO Max will be showing the much anticipated mini series version of the "Snyder Cut" of the Justice League movie (which Warners poured over 73 Million into) and there are plans for several high budget DC Universe TV series on HBO Max. No question, HBO/Warners is trying to go head to head with Disney+/Marvel and raising up the ante by offering the highly anticipated tentpole, Wonder Woman 1985 at no extra premium charge (unlike Disney who were hitting up subscribers and extra $30.00 to stream Mulan). The only issue I see with HBO Max is the lack of 4K HDR capability (although HBO Max streams at a much high bitrate than regular HBO, Showtime, etc and looks much better).
One has to wonder if in competing with Disney and all its high zoot franchises, the folks over at Warners might be a good candidate to buy out MGM's stake in Bond....hmmm.
Warner Bros. Will Debut Its Entire 2021 Theatrical Slate on HBO Max
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/12/warner-bros-movies-hbo-max
I don't think your point is invalid, but I also wonder if this also is Warner trying to expand into streaming/salvage HBO Max.
Big thing to watch is if Disney follows or if they stick to theaters.
This isn't expanding into streaming or "salvaging" HBO Max when they're throwing their entire theatrical slate at it - Dune, Godzilla, Suicide Squad, new Matrix - this is a massive move.
And Disney made the first move of this kind with Mulan. They will almost certainly follow suit with Black Widow soon.
That’s my thought, too. Black Widow isn’t a tent pole Marvel film (or they wouldn’t have waited a decade to make it). If ever there was a big but not blockbuster-size movie to premiere on Disney’s+, this may be it.