When Germany among other EU countries decides that there is not enough data to use AZ for their people over 65, there is an outrage about „ Anti-UK vaccine rhetoric“.
When South Africa ( for good reasons) decides to temporarily suspend AZ vaccinations entirely, there is only „chirp“.
That was my point.
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Well, was I on something or onto something? That was my point, picking up on your subtle observation.
Like I say, it's not quite the same though is it, the reasons for having doubts.
That said, the WHO has in the last hour or so claimed that its scientists regards the Oxford vaccine as fine for all adults, a turn-up for the books supposing you can trust the WHO, not everyone does.
Give a person a choice, you give them a dilemma. I'd like to hear more about Russia's Sputnik jab!
We see some countries on their way to vaccinated the entire population while other countries don't have the rescources to vaccinated everyone. But if the rich countries manage to vaccinated their populations we will still get mutations coming from countries that are unable to to much against Covid-19. Here's an idea (not mine, I heard it on TV) : - What if the vaccines are distributed equally and about the same time, distribution it to health workers and other groups who are especially at risk such as the elderly?
That is about 20% of the people. When that's done the economy and donations can do the rest.
There are problems with this. What head of state wants to make a speech where they say most won't get the vaccinations in 2021 because nurses and old people in other countries need them more?
Well, was I on something or onto something? That was my point, picking up on your subtle observation.
Like I say, it's not quite the same though is it, the reasons for having doubts.
That said, the WHO has in the last hour or so claimed that its scientists regards the Oxford vaccine as fine for all adults, a turn-up for the books supposing you can trust the WHO, not everyone does.
Give a person a choice, you give them a dilemma. I'd like to hear more about Russia's Sputnik jab!
Good news all around.
They also agreed the UK's strategy of spacing the first and second dose by three months was ideal for maximum protection.
We're flying through the vaccinations. I known 65 years olds getting the call up now.
The Swedish health minister says they have done their best against the pandemic and she can't think of anything they could have done better.
Sweden had very few and pretty mild restrictions during most of the pandemic based on the idea of mass immunity.
About 12 000 Swedes have died from Corona, compared to nearly 600 in Norway, but the population in Sweden is only twise as large.
Since 2 weeks, there are increasing reports that a large majority of german hospital workers refuse to get vaccinated with AZ vaccine and it‘s similar in France, Austria and some more countries.
Before someone starts sensing an „Anti UK“ rhetoric or state if mind, here is some background:
AZ has been ( so far ) only approved for people below 65 years.
As the older population is still getting vaccinated with ( still scarce) Biontech and Moderna, now younger healthcare workers are getting offered to receive AZ. They can‘t opt for Biontech and Moderna instead.
It has been broadly reported that according AZ, their vaccine has an efficacy of below 65% while Biontech and Moderna are above 95% and that‘s obviously the reason why many people refuse to receive AZ. It‘s not about where the vaccine has been developed.
Now what people ( especially healthcare pros) should know is, what efficacy really means:
In the case of AZ, more than 35% of the people that have been vaccinated with AZ - still get a Covid infection - with Biontech and Moderna it‘s below 5%!
While that is true, during the AZ trials none of those AZ vaccinated and still infected people had to be treated in a hospital and no one died of Covid.
Me personally, if I‘d have the choice, I‘d prefer Biontech or Moderna - but if I can get vaccinated with AZ earlier, I‘d not wait for a second to get my shot.
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Matthew Chance, CNNs Senior International Correspondent for and in Russia and certainly one of the Putin largest Critics, has received a Sputnik V vaccination on camera.
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New real-world data on the AZ vacc has led to a positive reevaluation of its efficacy including for older age groups, recognised now by EU countries. Good news.
Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 53 years.
Today six police officers were injured in Stockholm, Sweden, during a demonstrations against corona restrictions. Sweden started serious restrictions about ten months after the rest of Europe, so..... cry-babies!
I'm not running a anti-Swedish campaign here. There are lots of aspects of Swedish society I admire. It's a very successfull country in most ways. But the country has handled corona really badly and some at risk groups have paid a very high price for the official corona strategy, thousands have pid the ultimate price. It's up setting to see a country that had a better chance than most to handle the pandemic well fail so tragically, and even worse - not admiting this is what's happening.
I wonder what's the more extreme anti-vaccinations crowd's take on the AZ issues?
If all the vaccines are dangerous and the pharma companies, doctor, nurses and health authorities are in on it, why is this happening?
If this is true, why is a very low number of serious after-effects out of millions lead to paused vaccinations and more checking of the AZ vaccines are all meant to be dangerous? 🤔 😂
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It does seem very strange that both Ireland and the Netherlands have suspended use of this drug because of 37 cases of blood clotting out of over 17 million doses given...which is far less than would be expected during ‘normal times’ in the general population 🤔
Not only Ireland - Sweden, Norway, Denmark and an hour ago Germany.
I wonder, if it‘s a precaution ( which then apparently is premature, see Sir Mile‘s numbers above) or if they fear of dropping public confidence or if something else is going on behind the lines.
There have been reports of severe temporary reactions which has been explained with the younger age of patients and stronger immune systems - I am surprised that Germany has suspended AZ today necause all those explanations made sense and where well communicated.
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I had my first one last Saturday and I had a couple of hours of being hot and cold during the night - I should have taken two paracetamol before bedtime but as I felt fine I decided not to bother 🙄
I can’t see the UK ‘pausing’ the use of AZ as we have loads we need to use up 👀
We have around 50 cases of those brain bloodclots /year in Germany .
We are using AZ since some weeks and have around 10 cases that can be directly connected to AZ vaccinations.
The Ministry of Health has ordered to stop the vaccinations on that basis though scientists point out that the fatalities without vaccinations are higher.
A difficult choice to make for politicians. just imagine what would be reported in the press if it would not be stopped knowing that those cases are directly connected to AZ vaccinations.
Germany is not alone in that decision - though other opinions exists and are valid.
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I think Norway paused the AZ vaccinations after four out of more than 100 000 vaccinated. While Norway's corona strategy has worked well, the vaccinations are going slowly. My father is 83 and he gets his first jab on Thursday.
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When Germany among other EU countries decides that there is not enough data to use AZ for their people over 65, there is an outrage about „ Anti-UK vaccine rhetoric“.
When South Africa ( for good reasons) decides to temporarily suspend AZ vaccinations entirely, there is only „chirp“.
That was my point.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Like I say, it's not quite the same though is it, the reasons for having doubts.
That said, the WHO has in the last hour or so claimed that its scientists regards the Oxford vaccine as fine for all adults, a turn-up for the books supposing you can trust the WHO, not everyone does.
Give a person a choice, you give them a dilemma. I'd like to hear more about Russia's Sputnik jab!
Roger Moore 1927-2017
Just because it‘s the Germans or the evil EU that have doubts, it doesn‘t make it „Anti-UK Vaccine Rhetoric“?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
That is about 20% of the people. When that's done the economy and donations can do the rest.
There are problems with this. What head of state wants to make a speech where they say most won't get the vaccinations in 2021 because nurses and old people in other countries need them more?
Good news all around.
They also agreed the UK's strategy of spacing the first and second dose by three months was ideal for maximum protection.
We're flying through the vaccinations. I known 65 years olds getting the call up now.
It's too easy...
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Sweden had very few and pretty mild restrictions during most of the pandemic based on the idea of mass immunity.
About 12 000 Swedes have died from Corona, compared to nearly 600 in Norway, but the population in Sweden is only twise as large.
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Before someone starts sensing an „Anti UK“ rhetoric or state if mind, here is some background:
AZ has been ( so far ) only approved for people below 65 years.
As the older population is still getting vaccinated with ( still scarce) Biontech and Moderna, now younger healthcare workers are getting offered to receive AZ. They can‘t opt for Biontech and Moderna instead.
It has been broadly reported that according AZ, their vaccine has an efficacy of below 65% while Biontech and Moderna are above 95% and that‘s obviously the reason why many people refuse to receive AZ. It‘s not about where the vaccine has been developed.
Now what people ( especially healthcare pros) should know is, what efficacy really means:
In the case of AZ, more than 35% of the people that have been vaccinated with AZ - still get a Covid infection - with Biontech and Moderna it‘s below 5%!
While that is true, during the AZ trials none of those AZ vaccinated and still infected people had to be treated in a hospital and no one died of Covid.
Me personally, if I‘d have the choice, I‘d prefer Biontech or Moderna - but if I can get vaccinated with AZ earlier, I‘d not wait for a second to get my shot.
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New real-world data on the AZ vacc has led to a positive reevaluation of its efficacy including for older age groups, recognised now by EU countries. Good news.
based on new data, the German Vaccination Commitee (STIKO) recommends AZ also for people over 65.
Nothing Anti-UK here as always.
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The governor of Texas has ended all Corona restrictions in the state. I hope it won't end the way it probably will.....
Today six police officers were injured in Stockholm, Sweden, during a demonstrations against corona restrictions. Sweden started serious restrictions about ten months after the rest of Europe, so..... cry-babies!
I'm not running a anti-Swedish campaign here. There are lots of aspects of Swedish society I admire. It's a very successfull country in most ways. But the country has handled corona really badly and some at risk groups have paid a very high price for the official corona strategy, thousands have pid the ultimate price. It's up setting to see a country that had a better chance than most to handle the pandemic well fail so tragically, and even worse - not admiting this is what's happening.
I wonder what's the more extreme anti-vaccinations crowd's take on the AZ issues?
If all the vaccines are dangerous and the pharma companies, doctor, nurses and health authorities are in on it, why is this happening?
If this is true, why is a very low number of serious after-effects out of millions lead to paused vaccinations and more checking of the AZ vaccines are all meant to be dangerous? 🤔 😂
It does seem very strange that both Ireland and the Netherlands have suspended use of this drug because of 37 cases of blood clotting out of over 17 million doses given...which is far less than would be expected during ‘normal times’ in the general population 🤔
Not only Ireland - Sweden, Norway, Denmark and an hour ago Germany.
I wonder, if it‘s a precaution ( which then apparently is premature, see Sir Mile‘s numbers above) or if they fear of dropping public confidence or if something else is going on behind the lines.
There have been reports of severe temporary reactions which has been explained with the younger age of patients and stronger immune systems - I am surprised that Germany has suspended AZ today necause all those explanations made sense and where well communicated.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I'm due for mine on Wed 24th. Am currently wondering if Scotland will "pause" vaccinations before then.
I do find it very strange that these countries have suspended its use given the numbers involved 🤷🏻♂️
I’m sure I read that Norway was the first country to raise ‘concerns’...but I’m not exactly sure as to their reasons…
WHO are recommending to continue using the AZ vaccine as there just isn’t enough of a reason not too...
I had my first one last Saturday and I had a couple of hours of being hot and cold during the night - I should have taken two paracetamol before bedtime but as I felt fine I decided not to bother 🙄
I can’t see the UK ‘pausing’ the use of AZ as we have loads we need to use up 👀
Good to hearing that Scotland has now moved to vaccinating people over 80 🤣🤣
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The EMA are also saying the AZ vaccine should still be used. It's bizarre.
Do you know what causes more blood clots than the AZ vaccine? Coronavirus 😉
We have around 50 cases of those brain bloodclots /year in Germany .
We are using AZ since some weeks and have around 10 cases that can be directly connected to AZ vaccinations.
The Ministry of Health has ordered to stop the vaccinations on that basis though scientists point out that the fatalities without vaccinations are higher.
A difficult choice to make for politicians. just imagine what would be reported in the press if it would not be stopped knowing that those cases are directly connected to AZ vaccinations.
Germany is not alone in that decision - though other opinions exists and are valid.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Yes, my great-grandchildren will be pushing my wheelchair there if my ageing body lasts that long.
I think Norway paused the AZ vaccinations after four out of more than 100 000 vaccinated. While Norway's corona strategy has worked well, the vaccinations are going slowly. My father is 83 and he gets his first jab on Thursday.