Holly Goodhead's Deadly Diary - vanishing dart!

emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,948MI6 Agent
edited March 2023 in The James Bond Films

On another forum I visit it was pointed out that the current Blu Rays and their restored version of Moonraker have managed to restore the picture so much in the scene of Bond discovering Holly's gadgets that you can no longer see the dart fire out of her diary! It's something I've not spotted before, but if you look at an old VHS or DVD copy you can see the dart leaving the barrel for a couple of frames, but on the Blu Ray version it has been erased: nothing comes out to accompany the sound effect. Certainly there's a clip on YouTube you can check out and there's no sign of a dart.

Apparently this is probably something to do with the Lowry process where the frame was scanned and digital noise reduction performed, and I guess the dart seemed to be an imperfection which it smoothed out. A real shame as it's a nice bit of practical effects work which has been lost. I wonder if anything else like this has gone missing from the films?

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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,854Chief of Staff

    That's interesting. MR is not one I've bought on Blu-ray (I had it on Betamax, then VHS, then DVD, then Special Edition, then Ultimate Edition if I remember correctly cos you gotta draw the line somewhere) so thanks for pointing that out.

  • Quentin QuigleyQuentin Quigley Terminal One, Hamburg AirportPosts: 1,201MI6 Agent
    edited March 2023

    Can confirm that on the Ultimate Edition DVD (2006) that there is no blur (no sign) of the dart. Same with a copy of the Blu Ray and copy of the UHD. No blur out of the diary, no blur from any of the darts from this film before they hit the target.

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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,854Chief of Staff

    MR is already a famous case of the Mandela Effect due to Dolly and her (missing?) braces- have we found another one? 😁

  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,948MI6 Agent
    edited March 2023

    No, it's definitely there in earlier versions. Can I post a video link clip?

    From the VHS:

    The films were restored by Lowry for the 2006 DVDs so I was wrong to say it was visible on that (it might be on the earlier Special Editions, I don't know); other things like the wire holding the model helicopter in FRWL had disappeared for them as well.

  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,854Chief of Staff

    Of course. We're just not posting pics etc as much as we used to.

  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,948MI6 Agent
    edited March 2023

    Great, thank you. Here's a version from VHS or perhaps TV broadcast, I'm not sure (about 45 secs in):

    Despite the quality you can even spot the film wobble to one side as the dart in the wall is cut in! :)

    Here's the BR version:


  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,948MI6 Agent

    I thought this was quite interesting (again not my pics!):

    FRWL Special Edition:

    FRWL Blu Ray:

    See what's missing? 😊

  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,854Chief of Staff

    If it's what I'm thinking of, that could be deliberate.

  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,746Chief of Staff
    YNWA 97
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,948MI6 Agent
    edited March 2023
  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 3,596MI6 Agent

    That's an interesting article which in a way raises a 'reverse censorship' issue over the integrity of filmmaking as technology seeks to improve or restore older movies for the modern era. It doesn't always do what it sets out.

  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,948MI6 Agent

    And of course in the case of the dart, some things go missing accidentally because of the nature of the technology. I read somewhere else that some arrows disappeared from a version of Gladiator.

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