Re: Craig and humor: to me, it's down to the scripts, which found as many jokes for Craig as they missed.
Catching the gun and throwing it back at Mollaka? Running through drywall? Make no mistake, these moments were meant to be funny, and they were all-timers. To say nothing of his deadpan "Ow." when he's injected with the tracker.
"I won't consider myself to be in trouble until I start weeping blood." - Like a lead balloon.
"Well, I missed!" Funny!
"I don't think he smoked." A miss!
"It's hard to tell the difference in your pajamas... Q." Funny!
More than anything else, humor needs to be tailored to the actor. Everyone has a different sense of presence, timing, and line delivery. What worked for Roger will not necessarily work for Craig or anyone else.
For Craig, his humor worked best when it played off of the fact that he was a street thug in a suit. Make him do quips and they just didn't work. they didn't fit Craig and they didn't fit Craig's Bond.
In my opinion Craig did humor well, he just didn't do much of it. With Moore the humor was a big part of the formula. With Craig the humor was the sprinkling on top.
I agree. The scenes with Bond and agent Fields are the perfect example. I find Craig very at ease here, he really nails the part and the way he uses both humor and charm is delightful. In Knives Out and Glass Onion, he's also very funny.
It's in Skyfall I never succeeded to buy his performance. When he tries to be funny in this one, it just doesn't work with me, while I think he's magnificent in Quantum (a movie I truly appreciate).
Craig is good in KNIVES OUT/GLASS ONION for sure, but Benoit Blanc is a better written character than James Bond, and Rian Johnson knows exactly how to get the desired performance out of Craig in those films.
One of the problems I have with Craig's Bond is the way they have to change his personality so drastically between CR-QOS, SF-SP AND NTTD. I just can't imagine the Bond of Spectre licking his fingers as he does in NTTD. The other Bonds were able to keep their version of the character they started with from the beginning to the end so hopefully they can pull that off this time around.
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"The other Bonds were able to keep their version of the character they started with from the beginning to the end so hopefully they can pull that off this time around."
The Bond in Dr. No bears little resemblance to the Bond in Diamonds Are Forever. Moore certainly deviated from his baseline (slapping Maud Adams around in MWTGG, kicking Locque's car off a cliff), but Moore was always playing Moore. None of the others got a 14-year stretch to play the character, so it stands to reason we didn't see as much variety in their performances.
On top of all that, the previous films weren't concerned with Bond having an arc of some kind. For good or bad, once you're taking him from his first 00 assignment to retirement and beyond, it'd be silly to not have his personality evolve over that arc. If you're an actor who wants to act, that's probably an enticement.
And ultimately, that also feeds the divide between those who enjoyed the 15-year experiment of the Craig era, and those who didn't. Some fans just wanted someone to show up and do the job; others were excited by the increased levels of investment Craig brought with him. It didn't always pan out, but it kept this franchise going for many years, where others had the wheels coming off the bus in half the time.
I agree and I'll add it's the same with the novels. The evolution of Bond between CR and TMWTGG is something totally assumed by Fleming, and that's probably one of the points I like the most in OHMSS, YOLT and even TMWTGG which is a pretty average (not to say bad) novel IMHO. I also deeply appreciate what Horowitz has done with the character. You can feel the man was perfectly aware he had to take into account the evolution of Bond's state of mind, and I guess that's why he decided to make Forever and a day a prequel to Casino Royale while With A Mind To Kill takes place just after the events of TMWTGG, with Trigger Mortis in the middle as a sequel to GF. There are changes in the way Bond perceives his job, his relationships and more than that, his place in all this. And it works wonderfully well.
I imagine that's what Broccoli, Wilson and Craig tried to do with the reboot. I think it works pretty well in CR and Quantum. Unfortunately, I never succeeded to buy it in the last three movies.
I think this works very well in the novels, but I'm not so sure it's such a good idea to do it again in the movies. Start with a 35-year old playing Bond as an experienced agent and let him play the character until the actor is about fifty without making age an issue, I say. Craig did the age thing, I don't want to see it again soon.
Yeah I’m much more interested in what the next Bond looks like in a suit than standing around in his underwear. Couldn’t care less about Bond’s chest routine at the gym.
Re-reading this whole thread is very entertaining but...I can't believe the Daily Mail and Sun lied to everyone, this really calls the whole world order into question...😁
The Bond in Dr. No bears little resemblance to the Bond in Diamonds Are Forever. Moore certainly deviated from his baseline (slapping Maud Adams around in MWTGG, kicking Locque's car off a cliff), but Moore was always playing Moore. None of the others got a 14-year stretch to play the character, so it stands to reason we didn't see as much variety in their performances.
It's a bit off-topic, but I think you can divide Roger up into his directors. The Hamilton RogerBond is a bit meaner and crueller, especially to women; the Gilbert one is pure smooth unflappable man-about-town charm; and then the Glen RogerBond is a bit more of a cuddly uncle and shows more warmth and an actual romantic side- he's a bit more human than the first two.
I always think it's a shame we didn't see Dalton as Bond with another director.
I hadn't realised that AJT is in this new Ryan Gosling, Emily Blunt film, The Fall Guy, that comes out soon.
So, that explains the Bond BS.
IMHO it's a bad idea to play fast and loose with the newspapers about being Bond just to publicise another project, I have the feeling EON doesn't look kindly upon it.
So, I'd be very surprised now if AJT is Bond, he seems to have chosen to play the tabloid rumour mill to the maximum for short term advantage.
If his Kraven the Hunter film does as 'well' as other recent Marvel superhero movies, that should sink his career into supporting roles forever too.
That seems a bit harsh: blaming ATJ personally for articles in some notoriously unreliable newspapers—especially if you're saying he or his people did it to promote a "supporting" role in THE FALL GUY. I would call that an unwarranted assertion lacking evidence. The man's career is on the rise, as you said; he's not some nobody who is desperate for ink at any cost.
Just seen the news that Jack O'Connell has been cast as the villain in Ryan Coogler's next film. O'Connell has everything ATJ has and more. This guy is a fantastic actor. I remember there was a time he was considered the British DeNiro
I come to this forum for a bit of James Bond escapism away from the real world. Do you really need to post up your political opinions on a thread about the new James Bond actor? 🙄
Anyone been watching the Netflix drama One Day? My sister says the male lead - Leo Woodall - in that seemed just like Connery in one scene, where he has to escort a woman to a table or something.
Way too young, then again he's 28 so nearly 30 and the producers aren't in any hurry are they.
He plays the posh boy lead - I don't really know what he's like but whether you go for him or Jack 0'Connell, you can see why the producers are holding off, it feels that socially and politically both the UK and US are in a state of flux this year, it's a case of seeing how the dust settles.
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Re: Craig and humor: to me, it's down to the scripts, which found as many jokes for Craig as they missed.
Catching the gun and throwing it back at Mollaka? Running through drywall? Make no mistake, these moments were meant to be funny, and they were all-timers. To say nothing of his deadpan "Ow." when he's injected with the tracker.
"I won't consider myself to be in trouble until I start weeping blood." - Like a lead balloon.
"Well, I missed!" Funny!
"I don't think he smoked." A miss!
"It's hard to tell the difference in your pajamas... Q." Funny!
And so it goes.
More than anything else, humor needs to be tailored to the actor. Everyone has a different sense of presence, timing, and line delivery. What worked for Roger will not necessarily work for Craig or anyone else.
For Craig, his humor worked best when it played off of the fact that he was a street thug in a suit. Make him do quips and they just didn't work. they didn't fit Craig and they didn't fit Craig's Bond.
In my opinion Craig did humor well, he just didn't do much of it. With Moore the humor was a big part of the formula. With Craig the humor was the sprinkling on top.
I agree. The scenes with Bond and agent Fields are the perfect example. I find Craig very at ease here, he really nails the part and the way he uses both humor and charm is delightful. In Knives Out and Glass Onion, he's also very funny.
It's in Skyfall I never succeeded to buy his performance. When he tries to be funny in this one, it just doesn't work with me, while I think he's magnificent in Quantum (a movie I truly appreciate).
Craig is good in KNIVES OUT/GLASS ONION for sure, but Benoit Blanc is a better written character than James Bond, and Rian Johnson knows exactly how to get the desired performance out of Craig in those films.
One of the problems I have with Craig's Bond is the way they have to change his personality so drastically between CR-QOS, SF-SP AND NTTD. I just can't imagine the Bond of Spectre licking his fingers as he does in NTTD. The other Bonds were able to keep their version of the character they started with from the beginning to the end so hopefully they can pull that off this time around.
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Classic 😄
"The other Bonds were able to keep their version of the character they started with from the beginning to the end so hopefully they can pull that off this time around."
The Bond in Dr. No bears little resemblance to the Bond in Diamonds Are Forever. Moore certainly deviated from his baseline (slapping Maud Adams around in MWTGG, kicking Locque's car off a cliff), but Moore was always playing Moore. None of the others got a 14-year stretch to play the character, so it stands to reason we didn't see as much variety in their performances.
On top of all that, the previous films weren't concerned with Bond having an arc of some kind. For good or bad, once you're taking him from his first 00 assignment to retirement and beyond, it'd be silly to not have his personality evolve over that arc. If you're an actor who wants to act, that's probably an enticement.
And ultimately, that also feeds the divide between those who enjoyed the 15-year experiment of the Craig era, and those who didn't. Some fans just wanted someone to show up and do the job; others were excited by the increased levels of investment Craig brought with him. It didn't always pan out, but it kept this franchise going for many years, where others had the wheels coming off the bus in half the time.
Stop being so blasted reasonable!
I agree and I'll add it's the same with the novels. The evolution of Bond between CR and TMWTGG is something totally assumed by Fleming, and that's probably one of the points I like the most in OHMSS, YOLT and even TMWTGG which is a pretty average (not to say bad) novel IMHO. I also deeply appreciate what Horowitz has done with the character. You can feel the man was perfectly aware he had to take into account the evolution of Bond's state of mind, and I guess that's why he decided to make Forever and a day a prequel to Casino Royale while With A Mind To Kill takes place just after the events of TMWTGG, with Trigger Mortis in the middle as a sequel to GF. There are changes in the way Bond perceives his job, his relationships and more than that, his place in all this. And it works wonderfully well.
I imagine that's what Broccoli, Wilson and Craig tried to do with the reboot. I think it works pretty well in CR and Quantum. Unfortunately, I never succeeded to buy it in the last three movies.
I think this works very well in the novels, but I'm not so sure it's such a good idea to do it again in the movies. Start with a 35-year old playing Bond as an experienced agent and let him play the character until the actor is about fifty without making age an issue, I say. Craig did the age thing, I don't want to see it again soon.
Surely BB has seen Triangle of Sadness?
Who is this person and why isn't he properly dressed?
Yeah I’m much more interested in what the next Bond looks like in a suit than standing around in his underwear. Couldn’t care less about Bond’s chest routine at the gym.
Re-reading this whole thread is very entertaining but...I can't believe the Daily Mail and Sun lied to everyone, this really calls the whole world order into question...😁
Who can we trust if we can't trust those two fine newspapers? 😲😲😉
The Bond in Dr. No bears little resemblance to the Bond in Diamonds Are Forever. Moore certainly deviated from his baseline (slapping Maud Adams around in MWTGG, kicking Locque's car off a cliff), but Moore was always playing Moore. None of the others got a 14-year stretch to play the character, so it stands to reason we didn't see as much variety in their performances.
It's a bit off-topic, but I think you can divide Roger up into his directors. The Hamilton RogerBond is a bit meaner and crueller, especially to women; the Gilbert one is pure smooth unflappable man-about-town charm; and then the Glen RogerBond is a bit more of a cuddly uncle and shows more warmth and an actual romantic side- he's a bit more human than the first two.
I always think it's a shame we didn't see Dalton as Bond with another director.
I hadn't realised that AJT is in this new Ryan Gosling, Emily Blunt film, The Fall Guy, that comes out soon.
So, that explains the Bond BS.
IMHO it's a bad idea to play fast and loose with the newspapers about being Bond just to publicise another project, I have the feeling EON doesn't look kindly upon it.
So, I'd be very surprised now if AJT is Bond, he seems to have chosen to play the tabloid rumour mill to the maximum for short term advantage.
If his Kraven the Hunter film does as 'well' as other recent Marvel superhero movies, that should sink his career into supporting roles forever too.
That seems a bit harsh: blaming ATJ personally for articles in some notoriously unreliable newspapers—especially if you're saying he or his people did it to promote a "supporting" role in THE FALL GUY. I would call that an unwarranted assertion lacking evidence. The man's career is on the rise, as you said; he's not some nobody who is desperate for ink at any cost.
Just seen the news that Jack O'Connell has been cast as the villain in Ryan Coogler's next film. O'Connell has everything ATJ has and more. This guy is a fantastic actor. I remember there was a time he was considered the British DeNiro
5'8".
And here's my letter in the Metro a week ago.
Just to point out, it's not all fun at Napoleon Towers.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
I come to this forum for a bit of James Bond escapism away from the real world. Do you really need to post up your political opinions on a thread about the new James Bond actor? 🙄
Actually, comnpared to the last Bond film, that pretty much is escapism. 😁
Roger Moore 1927-2017
There isn't that much height difference between him and ATJ, granted O'Connell is standing closer to the camera, however ATJ must only 5'8"
Long article in today's "Guardian" on ATJ's wife Sam Taylor-Johnson. He and Bond get one very quick mention.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/apr/06/sam-taylor-johnson-art-age-gaps-amy-winehouse
Anyone been watching the Netflix drama One Day? My sister says the male lead - Leo Woodall - in that seemed just like Connery in one scene, where he has to escort a woman to a table or something.
Way too young, then again he's 28 so nearly 30 and the producers aren't in any hurry are they.
He plays the posh boy lead - I don't really know what he's like but whether you go for him or Jack 0'Connell, you can see why the producers are holding off, it feels that socially and politically both the UK and US are in a state of flux this year, it's a case of seeing how the dust settles.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
Actually, forget it - in other photos he doesn't look as good as that, he seems quite full-faced.
I feel a bit of an ar$e sizing up actors for the role given they've expressed no interest themselves at all!
Roger Moore 1927-2017