While the Jedis (autocorrect actually changed Jedis to Jesus - how iconic!) are cool, I offer another middle ground. I doubt Sir Miles ment what he wrote litterally. I suspect he ment something more along the lines of whising or not minding if all religion disapeared. While I don't agree (I have a horse in that race) I have no problem with such a statement.
Jainism, sounds nice
" Jainism is an ancient religion from India that teaches that the way to liberation and bliss is to live a life of harmlessness and renunciation "
I think we should put aside our differences and just do what we enjoy, .... Which is Fighting !
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
OK, you'd be happy to bann all religion. What's the difference? If I said I wanted to bann all newspapers and my neighbour said he's be happy to bann all newspapers, wouldn't we be in agreement?
You can support the banning of religion or you can support democracy and freedom. If there is a middle ground, please explain.
As I tried to explain to you...misquoting leads to arguments and this is where we are now
I fear your lack of understanding the nuances of the English language is holding you back here...please look up the words 'happy' and 'wanted' and their relevance in context...
And please don't tell me what I can and cannot do - that IS dictatorship and it means you do not support democracy and freedom 8-)
Those are two of the definitions I found for the phrases. I still don't see the important distinction in the context we have here. If you or another person with English as first language could explain this big difference it would be very nice.
I did not mean that you could not have a bann on religion and also have democracy because I said you couldn't. I'll put it as a question instead to make the point: how would one bann religion in a society and still remain a free democracy?
I still don't see the important distinction in the context we have here. If you or another person with English as first language could explain this big difference it would be very nice.
Hoping not to tread on Sir Miles's toes:
To be happy to allow something to happen is passive while wanting something to happen is active.
(I'm not getting into religious arguments whatsoever, but am happy (sic) to discuss language.
Do you see what religion does to us! All this jumping and fighting it's exhausting!
Sir M really does hate being misquoted, but thankfully it's diverted us away from controversy and a hate filled religious civil war
Everybody knows how crap my english is, but if that's really meant in a passive matter, shouldn't it read "I'd be happy if all religions are getting banned"?
The above quote reads pretty active in my eyes
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I still don't see the important distinction in the context we have here. If you or another person with English as first language could explain this big difference it would be very nice.
Hoping not to tread on Sir Miles's toes:
To be happy to allow something to happen is passive while wanting something to happen is active.
(I'm not getting into religious arguments whatsoever, but am happy (sic) to discuss language.
Thank you - you expressed it perfectly -{
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Everybody knows how crap my english is, but if that's really meant in a passive matter, shouldn't it read "I'd be happy if all religions are getting banned"?
Yes - your English is crap ) Your sentence still doesn't read correctly...
Having said that - I couldn't even hold a bad conversation in German...or in any other language than English anymore, much to my shame
Do you see what religion does to us! All this jumping and fighting it's exhausting!
Sir M really does hate being misquoted, but thankfully it's diverted us away from controversy and a hate filled religious civil war
Very true, CC...I loathe being misquoted...it shows that the other person has lost the argument and cannot construct a coherent response 8-)
Indeed ! And that's why religion is evil - all the wars that have been fought - and STILL are - in whatever gods name X-(
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And as you are always having your moderator hat on when posting under your ID, your comment
Rule 1.1 in communications: Sender is responsible that the message is understandable
And as you are always having your moderator hat on when posting under your ID, your comment
could be regarded as a potential line of action
AND THE NAME IS HIGGINS!!!!!! X-(
My message was crystal clear - I would ban all religions - what's difficult to understand ?
It's not difficult at all sir M neither is it an undemocratic thing to say, the ironic thing is that some major religions are wholly undemocratic, and sought to destroy any who had any view which was not in their interests, so originally the organisation in charge of that religion was the pinnacle of undemocratic and anti freedom.
I think this talk is very offensive to people of faith. Please talk about banning peoples from practicing their religion because that what this means. I think that none peoples here now what real political oppressions means and just try to say religion is the same as this is foolish. My church is a community church, we practice our faith and we help anyone in our community if they are Christians or not. we believe in tolerance not hatred or to divide peoples or make them into like the jewish peoples in the second world war.
Ban religion then ban political oppositions then ban people of different colours then ban all other things that you do not like.
As I say I don't think any body here but me has lived in political oppression regime.
Religion is a fantastic "get out of jail free card" , if I don't like gay people, then I'd rightly
Be called a bigot but by simply using " it's against my faith" all of a sudden, we're all
Supposed to respect that as a valid reason. )
The great thing about a free democratic Country, is you have the right to be offended, as
We have free speech. Which is the complete opposite of what you get in countries controlled
By a religion. As no opposing views will be tolerated, you'll just get whipped, or killed, whichever
Punishment " the holy book" decrees, in a loving caring way of course. As everyone's god is a god
of love, but love controlled with a great big iron fist !
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I think this talk is very offensive to people of faith. Please talk about banning peoples from practicing their religion because that what this means. I think that none peoples here now what real political oppressions means and just try to say religion is the same as this is foolish. My church is a community church, we practice our faith and we help anyone in our community if they are Christians or not. we believe in tolerance not hatred or to divide peoples or make them into like the jewish peoples in the second world war.
Ban religion then ban political oppositions then ban people of different colours then ban all other things that you do not like.
As I say I don't think any body here but me has lived in political oppression regime.
Oh I see, so it's OK to suppress the views of those who take issue with aspects of religious history, because it offends you, and those of us commentating on actual wrong doings perpetrated by a religious organisation should be banned from doing so? At no point has anyone in this discussion pointed any blame at worshippers or those who choose to attend a place of worship. Furthermore, we don't have to have lived under oppression to learn about it and educate ourselves to its evil, but that decry oppression then ask for it by banning members with an opposing view to yours smacks of double standards expediency.
In the Republic of Ireland, The Catholic church was in total control for years, part of the state.
In that time, they have abused thousands of children, took children off mother's to send them
Off for adoption to Australia. Recently almost 800 dead children have been found in a cesspit
At a Church home for unmarried mother's !
They had total control, no enquiries, as they were religious charities, doing God's work !...
Simple Question. During all this abuse and horror, where was God ?
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I thought that you wanted to leave the religious discussion, TP
I'll try a simple reply: God was with the good people.
Like I've previously posted and along to what Joshua said, many members (and I am speaking about "normal" people who go to church, work voluntarily in their community etc.) of the churches are good people and are not part of the circles, that where criminal without a doubt.
Brushing them all over with "church is evil" is too simple and insulting to people who take their faith seriously and don't deserve being labeled that way.
I was hoping that I could make that clear in my first post on the topic.
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Sadly I'm too angry about the industrial scale of horror the church has carried out. Not
Isolated cases but basically a machine of corruption and terror.
Many of us with no faith also help charities, try and do the right thing and be good neighbours
And citizens. ..... No magic book of rules needed.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I think this talk is very offensive to people of faith. Please talk about banning peoples from practicing their religion because that what this means. I think that none peoples here now what real political oppressions means and just try to say religion is the same as this is foolish. My church is a community church, we practice our faith and we help anyone in our community if they are Christians or not. we believe in tolerance not hatred or to divide peoples or make them into like the jewish peoples in the second world war.
Ban religion then ban political oppositions then ban people of different colours then ban all other things that you do not like.
As I say I don't think any body here but me has lived in political oppression regime.
Oh I see, so it's OK to suppress the views of those who take issue with aspects of religious history, because it offends you, and those of us commentating on actual wrong doings perpetrated by a religious organisation should be banned from doing so? At no point has anyone in this discussion pointed any blame at worshippers or those who choose to attend a place of worship. Furthermore, we don't have to have lived under oppression to learn about it and educate ourselves to its evil, but that decry oppression then ask for it by banning members with an opposing view to yours smacks of double standards expediency.
I think the words is moving the goal posts? You are lying if you say I ask for viewpoints to be supressed. You are also lying that I ask for peoples to be banned from here. Yes you do have to live under dictatorship to now what it is really like. You cannot now other wise to be suffering and your family suffering also. I don't think you have ever done these things yes? Reading from a book and being the victim of the dictator is two things different altogether. read all the books you like to read and learn yes as this is good but never put your self in the place of peoples who have actually been tortured or persecuted or put in the prison for execution or had to flee the country you love because you were to be killed because, if you have not experienced this things yourself you can never now. Also never now how offensive to take away rights from peoples who have only their faith to see them through these things.
I never said anything about the religion not doing any wrong and it is lyes to say i did stand up for wrong. i speak only about my church and I mean the church were i worship. Yes peoples are offensive to me to ask for my faith to be banned. If you wish to fight then i will not stand back.
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Jainism, sounds nice
" Jainism is an ancient religion from India that teaches that the way to liberation and bliss is to live a life of harmlessness and renunciation "
I think we should put aside our differences and just do what we enjoy, .... Which is Fighting !
As I tried to explain to you...misquoting leads to arguments and this is where we are now
I fear your lack of understanding the nuances of the English language is holding you back here...please look up the words 'happy' and 'wanted' and their relevance in context...
And please don't tell me what I can and cannot do - that IS dictatorship and it means you do not support democracy and freedom 8-)
To want = to wish something to be present
Those are two of the definitions I found for the phrases. I still don't see the important distinction in the context we have here. If you or another person with English as first language could explain this big difference it would be very nice.
I did not mean that you could not have a bann on religion and also have democracy because I said you couldn't. I'll put it as a question instead to make the point: how would one bann religion in a society and still remain a free democracy?
Notice that a wedding is to take place. Number24 is misspelling "ban".
Hoping not to tread on Sir Miles's toes:
To be happy to allow something to happen is passive while wanting something to happen is active.
(I'm not getting into religious arguments whatsoever, but am happy (sic) to discuss language.
Sir M really does hate being misquoted, but thankfully it's diverted us away from controversy and a hate filled religious civil war
How about politics? :v
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Everybody knows how crap my english is, but if that's really meant in a passive matter, shouldn't it read "I'd be happy if all religions are getting banned"?
The above quote reads pretty active in my eyes
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Thank you - you expressed it perfectly -{
Yes - your English is crap
Having said that - I couldn't even hold a bad conversation in German...or in any other language than English anymore, much to my shame
Then you should've gone to Specsavers
I'd be VERY happy to ban all religion, not sure how that makes me an enemy of democracy
Very true, CC...I loathe being misquoted...it shows that the other person has lost the argument and cannot construct a coherent response 8-)
Indeed ! And that's why religion is evil - all the wars that have been fought - and STILL are - in whatever gods name X-(
Bloody hell, that rules out most of my posts, straight away !
Rule 1.1 in communications: Sender is responsible that the message is understandable
And as you are always having your moderator hat on when posting under your ID, your comment
could be regarded as a potential line of action or a warning for the future
AND THE NAME IS HIGGINS!!!!!! X-(
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
My message was crystal clear - I would ban all religions - what's difficult to understand ?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Ban religion then ban political oppositions then ban people of different colours then ban all other things that you do not like.
As I say I don't think any body here but me has lived in political oppression regime.
Be called a bigot but by simply using " it's against my faith" all of a sudden, we're all
Supposed to respect that as a valid reason.
The great thing about a free democratic Country, is you have the right to be offended, as
We have free speech. Which is the complete opposite of what you get in countries controlled
By a religion. As no opposing views will be tolerated, you'll just get whipped, or killed, whichever
Punishment " the holy book" decrees, in a loving caring way of course. As everyone's god is a god
of love, but love controlled with a great big iron fist !
5:1 and 1:5 are hard to swallow
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
In that time, they have abused thousands of children, took children off mother's to send them
Off for adoption to Australia. Recently almost 800 dead children have been found in a cesspit
At a Church home for unmarried mother's !
They had total control, no enquiries, as they were religious charities, doing God's work !...
Simple Question. During all this abuse and horror, where was God ?
I'll try a simple reply: God was with the good people.
Like I've previously posted and along to what Joshua said, many members (and I am speaking about "normal" people who go to church, work voluntarily in their community etc.) of the churches are good people and are not part of the circles, that where criminal without a doubt.
Brushing them all over with "church is evil" is too simple and insulting to people who take their faith seriously and don't deserve being labeled that way.
I was hoping that I could make that clear in my first post on the topic.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Isolated cases but basically a machine of corruption and terror.
Many of us with no faith also help charities, try and do the right thing and be good neighbours
And citizens. ..... No magic book of rules needed.
I think the words is moving the goal posts? You are lying if you say I ask for viewpoints to be supressed. You are also lying that I ask for peoples to be banned from here. Yes you do have to live under dictatorship to now what it is really like. You cannot now other wise to be suffering and your family suffering also. I don't think you have ever done these things yes? Reading from a book and being the victim of the dictator is two things different altogether. read all the books you like to read and learn yes as this is good but never put your self in the place of peoples who have actually been tortured or persecuted or put in the prison for execution or had to flee the country you love because you were to be killed because, if you have not experienced this things yourself you can never now. Also never now how offensive to take away rights from peoples who have only their faith to see them through these things.
I never said anything about the religion not doing any wrong and it is lyes to say i did stand up for wrong. i speak only about my church and I mean the church were i worship. Yes peoples are offensive to me to ask for my faith to be banned. If you wish to fight then i will not stand back.
For me, hard to understand- what does that mean? ?:)
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