I too have always looked " lived in " in my teenage years trying drinking in pubs and clubs. My
Mates would always be stopped by door staff etc to show proof of age ......... I never was
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
In my mind once someone decides to become a terrorist they are no longer a citizen, they may still be a national but have eschewed their citizenship in favour of their cause. Would the IRA members think themselves British citizens? Do the basque separatists consider themselves as Spanish citizens?
What's the difference between a terrorist being shot before he commits an atrocity, during or after? Other than victims or a nuance of the law? which is there for political correctness.
What's the difference between dropping a bomb on an ISIS camp in Iraq or shooting an ISIS member in Islington?
The US shot and killed bin laden, do you think they wouldn't have done that if he'd been a us citizen or was hiding on us soil? Operation Flavius was sanctioned by a democratic government and carried out on home soil. Operation nimrod was also.
So, citizen even though they don't think or behave like one. They are legally citizens, so jail or deport the bastard. If they are deported and thje citizenship taken away, get fingerprints, DNA samples etc. and make sure the never get near a country with a functioning legal system again. The difference between killing an ISIS camp in Iraq and killing an ISIS trained terrorist in Islington is that the terrorists in the camp can't be arrested. If we know a person in the UK has been in a terrorist training camp, we know enough to put the person in prison for many decades.
I don't see how operation Nimrod is relevant at all. That wasn't assassination, but storming an embassy held by terrorists to save hostages. Neither was operation Flavius. The SAS weren't sent to Gibraltar to assassinate the IRA-men and the SAs IS not an assassination force. What you are suggesting is a plan to pick out UK citizens to be assassinated (if I understand correstly, hidden as other causes of death) according to lists. That's very different from saving hostages or surveilance of suspected bombers goen bad. I'm not against killing terrorists when neccesary, I'm against turning modern nations into banana republics running assassination programs.
Nice teenage photo, Barbel. Heve you kept the hairstyle?
Nice bunnies. Chriscoop and I are having an interesting discussion, but I hope he agrees it's about the issues and not personal. We both slipped up once with a politically correct- comment and my comment about being cool, but we are only human.
Nice teenage photo, Barbel. Heve you kept the hairstyle?
Nice bunnies. Chriscoop and I are having an interesting discussion, but I hope he agrees it's about the issues and not personal. We both slipped up once with a politically correct- comment and my comment about being cool, but we are only human.
I do totally agree, and our differing views in no way undermine my respect and deep affection for you 24.
In my mind once someone decides to become a terrorist they are no longer a citizen, they may still be a national but have eschewed their citizenship in favour of their cause. Would the IRA members think themselves British citizens? Do the basque separatists consider themselves as Spanish citizens?
What's the difference between a terrorist being shot before he commits an atrocity, during or after? Other than victims or a nuance of the law? which is there for political correctness.
What's the difference between dropping a bomb on an ISIS camp in Iraq or shooting an ISIS member in Islington?
The US shot and killed bin laden, do you think they wouldn't have done that if he'd been a us citizen or was hiding on us soil? Operation Flavius was sanctioned by a democratic government and carried out on home soil. Operation nimrod was also.
So, citizen even though they don't think or behave like one. They are legally citizens, so jail or deport the bastard. If they are deported and thje citizenship taken away, get fingerprints, DNA samples etc. and make sure the never get near a country with a functioning legal system again. The difference between killing an ISIS camp in Iraq and killing an ISIS trained terrorist in Islington is that the terrorists in the camp can't be arrested. If we know a person in the UK has been in a terrorist training camp, we know enough to put the person in prison for many decades.
I don't see how operation Nimrod is relevant at all. That wasn't assassination, but storming an embassy held by terrorists to save hostages. Neither was operation Flavius. The SAS weren't sent to Gibraltar to assassinate the IRA-men and the SAs IS not an assassination force. What you are suggesting is a plan to pick out UK citizens to be assassinated (if I understand correstly, hidden as other causes of death) according to lists. That's very different from saving hostages or surveilance of suspected bombers goen bad. I'm not against killing terrorists when neccesary, I'm against turning modern nations into banana republics running assassination programs.
Both Flavius and nimrod were instructed to use lethal force, regarding nimrod only one terrorist survived, and this only due to the fact he pretended to be a hostage. One terrorist was shot over 40 times by 3 separate sas operatives so they weren't attempting an arrest. Both these operations are in the public domain which is why I referred to them, they both have similarities to my thoughts on modern terrorists, such as sanctioned operations to stop a terrorist attack by lethal force, there many other examples, but osa would prevent these being discussed.
Whats this list you mention? I wouldn't want a hit list! I am simply voicing that terrorists who become pertinent and have enough evidence against them through surveillance and intelligence are dealt with by way of termination before they commit their acts of terror. As for throwing them in jail? Why send them to an expensive institution to radicalise more people?
Nice teenage photo, Barbel. Heve you kept the hairstyle?
Nice bunnies. Chriscoop and I are having an interesting discussion, but I hope he agrees it's about the issues and not personal. We both slipped up once with a politically correct- comment and my comment about being cool, but we are only human.
I do totally agree, and our differing views in no way undermine my respect and deep affection for you 24.
And yes, N24, only shorter and greyer.
[Edit: Shorter only because Bride of Barbel won't let me grow it long.]
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Nice pic of you as a teenager, Barbel.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
Just sitting out in the warmth having a beer, a cigar and listening to the approaching thunderstorm. Also listening to varied music including Rush, John Barry, Eric Clapton, Cum Dederit, blue oyster cult, punk Floyd and many more. Great way to finish of a busy day and let the veal and zucchini digest. -{
In my mind once someone decides to become a terrorist they are no longer a citizen, they may still be a national but have eschewed their citizenship in favour of their cause. Would the IRA members think themselves British citizens? Do the basque separatists consider themselves as Spanish citizens?
What's the difference between a terrorist being shot before he commits an atrocity, during or after? Other than victims or a nuance of the law? which is there for political correctness.
What's the difference between dropping a bomb on an ISIS camp in Iraq or shooting an ISIS member in Islington?
The US shot and killed bin laden, do you think they wouldn't have done that if he'd been a us citizen or was hiding on us soil? Operation Flavius was sanctioned by a democratic government and carried out on home soil. Operation nimrod was also.
So, citizen even though they don't think or behave like one. They are legally citizens, so jail or deport the bastard. If they are deported and thje citizenship taken away, get fingerprints, DNA samples etc. and make sure the never get near a country with a functioning legal system again. The difference between killing an ISIS camp in Iraq and killing an ISIS trained terrorist in Islington is that the terrorists in the camp can't be arrested. If we know a person in the UK has been in a terrorist training camp, we know enough to put the person in prison for many decades.
I don't see how operation Nimrod is relevant at all. That wasn't assassination, but storming an embassy held by terrorists to save hostages. Neither was operation Flavius. The SAS weren't sent to Gibraltar to assassinate the IRA-men and the SAs IS not an assassination force. What you are suggesting is a plan to pick out UK citizens to be assassinated (if I understand correstly, hidden as other causes of death) according to lists. That's very different from saving hostages or surveilance of suspected bombers goen bad. I'm not against killing terrorists when neccesary, I'm against turning modern nations into banana republics running assassination programs.
Both Flavius and nimrod were instructed to use lethal force, regarding nimrod only one terrorist survived, and this only due to the fact he pretended to be a hostage. One terrorist was shot over 40 times by 3 separate sas operatives so they weren't attempting an arrest. Both these operations are in the public domain which is why I referred to them, they both have similarities to my thoughts on modern terrorists, such as sanctioned operations to stop a terrorist attack by lethal force, there many other examples, but osa would prevent these being discussed.
Whats this list you mention? I wouldn't want a hit list! I am simply voicing that terrorists who become pertinent and have enough evidence against them through surveillance and intelligence are dealt with by way of termination before they commit their acts of terror. As for throwing them in jail? Why send them to an expensive institution to radicalise more people?
They were instructing to use let har force because they were up against armed terrorists holding hostess or suspected of carrying a bomb. In the embassy they didn't kill the last terrorist because he wasn't a direct threath to anyone and it was possible to arrest him. In other words Operation Nimrod was done the way I want (kill terrorists when you must, arrest them when you can) and not your way.
I remember talk of a hit list, but that might be TP. Either way your plan could very easily turn into a list.
Nezad was arrested by police outside the embassy after pretending to be a hostage, he was pointed out by some of the hostages later. the SAS team involved in Flavius were ordered to use lethal force, one of the IRA was shot in the back. Which is why the prolonged court cases happened and why the European Court found the killings unlawful, there is a bond connection there as the fatal bullet fired by the sas man severed the terrorist's spine, which Bond was threatened with in Casino Royale.
Now realisticly speaking ideally a lethal force order granted by a specialist high judge after reading confirmed reports only negates a physical chain of evidence. If you've done investigative or surveilance work you simply know facts after 100's of hours of work, the criminal law here dictates you need a wealth of evidence to successfully arrest and prosecute someone, add to that that a jury may include extremist sympathisers and you get into very unsound ground to remove a terrorist from causing carnage. That is the essence of my thinking. A bullet to the head or a lethal injection and a quiet dissappearance would save lives. These operations may only ever number one every 5 years. I'm not suggesting we March every slightly dodgy or intolerant Muslim up against a wall and shoot them! Far from it.
I can't imagine the UK turning into a banana Republic! We have a royal family and we don't have the climate to grow bananas.
I can understand a couple of old codgers not being cool, me and the lads down at the
Skateboard park would laugh at you. As I pop a 360. .......... Or a hip.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Speaking of death..... I can't be the only one who saw the irony of Chriscoop and I seriously discussing government assassinations in a forum dedicated to a government assassin? )
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Chris- yes, teenage! (And lighter, true
Mates would always be stopped by door staff etc to show proof of age ......... I never was
So, citizen even though they don't think or behave like one. They are legally citizens, so jail or deport the bastard. If they are deported and thje citizenship taken away, get fingerprints, DNA samples etc. and make sure the never get near a country with a functioning legal system again. The difference between killing an ISIS camp in Iraq and killing an ISIS trained terrorist in Islington is that the terrorists in the camp can't be arrested. If we know a person in the UK has been in a terrorist training camp, we know enough to put the person in prison for many decades.
I don't see how operation Nimrod is relevant at all. That wasn't assassination, but storming an embassy held by terrorists to save hostages. Neither was operation Flavius. The SAS weren't sent to Gibraltar to assassinate the IRA-men and the SAs IS not an assassination force. What you are suggesting is a plan to pick out UK citizens to be assassinated (if I understand correstly, hidden as other causes of death) according to lists. That's very different from saving hostages or surveilance of suspected bombers goen bad. I'm not against killing terrorists when neccesary, I'm against turning modern nations into banana republics running assassination programs.
Nice bunnies. Chriscoop and I are having an interesting discussion, but I hope he agrees it's about the issues and not personal. We both slipped up once with a politically correct- comment and my comment about being cool, but we are only human.
Whats this list you mention? I wouldn't want a hit list! I am simply voicing that terrorists who become pertinent and have enough evidence against them through surveillance and intelligence are dealt with by way of termination before they commit their acts of terror. As for throwing them in jail? Why send them to an expensive institution to radicalise more people?
And yes, N24, only shorter and greyer.
[Edit: Shorter only because Bride of Barbel won't let me grow it long.]
Anyone else fancy posting a pic of themselves from many years ago? I found one of Higgins:
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And Donald trump
Im game Ill see if I can dig one out
They were instructing to use let har force because they were up against armed terrorists holding hostess or suspected of carrying a bomb. In the embassy they didn't kill the last terrorist because he wasn't a direct threath to anyone and it was possible to arrest him. In other words Operation Nimrod was done the way I want (kill terrorists when you must, arrest them when you can) and not your way.
I remember talk of a hit list, but that might be TP. Either way your plan could very easily turn into a list.
Now realisticly speaking ideally a lethal force order granted by a specialist high judge after reading confirmed reports only negates a physical chain of evidence. If you've done investigative or surveilance work you simply know facts after 100's of hours of work, the criminal law here dictates you need a wealth of evidence to successfully arrest and prosecute someone, add to that that a jury may include extremist sympathisers and you get into very unsound ground to remove a terrorist from causing carnage. That is the essence of my thinking. A bullet to the head or a lethal injection and a quiet dissappearance would save lives. These operations may only ever number one every 5 years. I'm not suggesting we March every slightly dodgy or intolerant Muslim up against a wall and shoot them! Far from it.
I can't imagine the UK turning into a banana Republic! We have a royal family and we don't have the climate to grow bananas.
Perhaps standing closer to the wall to shoot would be preferable ?
I'm far too young and beautiful for anything to happen to me. There's so much I want to do
And so many I want to do it to !
Naughty or nice.
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I have always tried to avoid being cool, especially in the winter.
Skateboard park would laugh at you. As I pop a 360. .......... Or a hip.
Killed by gas station nacho cheese sauce.......
"No, he didn't. "
Speaking of death..... I can't be the only one who saw the irony of Chriscoop and I seriously discussing government assassinations in a forum dedicated to a government assassin?