Kim wrong Un has now opened said he is considering bombing a US territory, this hasn't happened since the Cuban missile crisis, is this the start of it all I wonder?
On the news this morning I see Donald Trump make his red line. If he says any more threats from North Korea then the USA will strike. He cannot now allow himself to not act as he would lose face in the USA and the world and especially North Korea. I think the USA prepares now to attack, what happens next is in the hands of the North Korean dictator. Does he give another threat?
If there is war here it will be bad for everyone not only in that region. I think but the USA will have made sure that China and Russia will not act to defend the North Korea.
I don't think the USA would use the atomic weapons unless they were to be attacked first with them and I don't think that north Korea can do this (yet). I think the battle plan of attack will be ready, and the USA would target the regime and the military assets of the North Koreans. When I was a soldier we learned about things called critical points, by attacking these with only a few men or perhaps aircraft attacks you can cause much damage to the enemies.
I wonder if the military generals of north Korea support the leader and his plans? I think this leader is unbalanced of mind, but also I think President Trump is also not the best to deal with this situation. The problem I see from this is not either the Korean leader or Donald Trump will now back down.
Also to the above, perhaps the electronics measures of the Americans military would be used to dirupt the Korean military. To stop them from getting orders or to send false orders even and also disrupt missilees and raders systems. Any way to cause much confusion while they attack.I wonder (but I would not like to gamble) if the North Koreans army and commanders would wish to fight if the leader was killed or even forced away from direct controls of the military?
While the NK leadership is isolated, desperate and extreme, they are not suicidal. They know a full war between NK and the US/South Korea will end in their death and of the regime. But they have turned brinkmanship into a strategy and this can easily go wrong. Both Kim and Trump are seen by many as unpredictable and even unstable, and this is a worry. China is worried because of the actions of NK, perhaps because it reminds them of a dark period in their own country under Mao. But they need NK as a buffer zone, since the peaceful fall of NK will mean having the pro-US South Korea at their border.
I think south Korea would definitely suffer casualties if hostilities increase, It just can't be stressed enough how unhinged the regime in North Korea really are, by now they may well hold the belief they can take on the US, China would I think resolve to stay neutral on the public stage with some decent us diplomacy heading their way.
North Korea is very unhinged, but I don't think they belive they can take on the US in a full war. They see their atomic bombs as guarantees against being invaded. They look at Quadaffi in Libya and Saddam in Iraq. Their take on it was that those regimes were invaded by the US because they didn't have the bomb.
I don't think nukes would be involved from the US side, Beijing and shanghai are not too far away, but you have to consider china's international status and their business dealings with the rest of the world, why have China not reigned Kim Jong Un in yet if they are able? I think if north Korea attached American territory such as Guam then all bets are off do you really see China backing North Korea against the entire West?
I'd also say not to underestimate the unrealistic view north Koreas leader has of himself, he's been brought up knowing nothing other than he is the most powerful, precious and loved human being in his world and surrounded by yes men who dare not disagree with him, even the populous are brainwashed with propaganda about how great and strong their country is and how weak and destitute the rest of us are.
Obama made this mistake in Syria. He said the use of ABC weapons was a read line, but when it happened he didn't really do anything. Trump is notorious for changing his mind and contradicting himself, sometimes within days or even hours. That could turn out to be an advantage, since many won't be surprised if he doesn't do it. If NK hits the US island (name?) like they have threathened to do, perhaps with artillery, the US has problem. They have to hit back hard, but not so hard it starts a war.
Obama made this mistake in Syria. He said the use of ABC weapons was a read line, but when it happened he didn't really do anything. Trump is notorious for changing his mind and contradicting himself, sometimes within days or even hours. That could turn out to be an advantage, since many won't be surprised if he doesn't do it. If NK hits the US island (name?) like they have threathened to do, perhaps with artillery, the US has problem. They have to hit back hard, but not so hard it starts a war.
This is true, the island is Guam, it has two military bases. Last I heard the US have stated that an attack on Guam constitutes a direct attack on the USA. US warplanes have taken to the skies over the Korean peninsula today.
I'm no expert, but from what I have seen and read, NK's missiles seem a bit rudimentary at present and although apparently improving, I can't help but wonder just how accurate any NK launch would be especially over a longer distance. In addition, the US's anti-missile technology is regarded as the best in the world so I would assume that there's a good chance that even if NK launched something towards a relatively small target like Guam, that they wouldn't succeed but could still expect similar retribution as though they had been successful.
It'll all come to a very quick stalemate. Then it'll go one of two ways; kick off or not. Trump is a sensationalist who goes for the drama, but would he push the button to save face? Kim on the other hand is bone fida batshit crazy, he's worked himself into a corner. His regime couldn't possibly survive not retaliating against the states if they attack first, so Kim has everything to lose.
Someone is gonna come out of this with egg on the chops.
Trump backs down and he looks a bit daft and looses the chance of a second term and the UN looks pointless and everyone carries on.
I'm no expert, but from what I have seen and read, NK's missiles seem a bit rudimentary at present and although apparently improving, I can't help but wonder just how accurate any NK launch would be especially over a longer distance. In addition, the US's anti-missile technology is regarded as the best in the world so I would assume that there's a good chance that even if NK launched something towards a relatively small target like Guam, that they wouldn't succeed but could still expect similar retribution as though they had been successful.
Weapons experts have already concluded that they have tested an inter continental ballistic missile that they reckon can travel 10,000 km so mainland US is reachable..... If they can control and launch it properly of course.
It'll all come to a very quick stalemate. Then it'll go one of two ways; kick off or not. Trump is a sensationalist who goes for the drama, but would he push the button to save face? Kim on the other hand is bone fida batshit crazy, he's worked himself into a corner. His regime couldn't possibly survive not retaliating against the states if they attack first, so Kim has everything to lose.
Someone is gonna come out of this with egg on the chops.
Trump backs down and he looks a bit daft and looses the chance of a second term and the UN looks pointless and everyone carries on.
Kim backs down and it could lead to revolution.
My money is on Kim standing his ground.
The UN for what it's worth these days already looks impotent and powerless, and that's just after the middle east. Every time n Korea launches a missile it contravenes UN demands.
It'll all come to a very quick stalemate. Then it'll go one of two ways; kick off or not. Trump is a sensationalist who goes for the drama, but would he push the button to save face? Kim on the other hand is bone fida batshit crazy, he's worked himself into a corner. His regime couldn't possibly survive not retaliating against the states if they attack first, so Kim has everything to lose.
Someone is gonna come out of this with egg on the chops.
Trump backs down and he looks a bit daft and looses the chance of a second term and the UN looks pointless and everyone carries on.
Kim backs down and it could lead to revolution.
My money is on Kim standing his ground.
Kim has the advantage of having total control of the media inside NK. He can control the narrative his citizens heard 100%, so losing face to them really isn't a problem. The US has to realister after any attack on Guam. What sort of superpower doesn't after an attack on their own territory?
It'll all come to a very quick stalemate. Then it'll go one of two ways; kick off or not. Trump is a sensationalist who goes for the drama, but would he push the button to save face? Kim on the other hand is bone fida batshit crazy, he's worked himself into a corner. His regime couldn't possibly survive not retaliating against the states if they attack first, so Kim has everything to lose.
Someone is gonna come out of this with egg on the chops.
Trump backs down and he looks a bit daft and looses the chance of a second term and the UN looks pointless and everyone carries on.
Kim backs down and it could lead to revolution.
My money is on Kim standing his ground.
Kim has the advantage of having total control of the media inside NK. He can control the narrative his citizens heard 100%, so lesing face to them really isn't a problem.
But you can't hide missiles raining down. If Kim bends over his regime is finished. If Trump strikes Kim will strike back, that's a given. It's probably how he wants it to play out, so he's got justification for launching.
A smart retaliation after an attack on Guam would be conventional cruise missile against military bases. Who knows, Trump might do the smart thing. After all his administration is full of generals. While the NK regime couldn't have stopped word of mouth, but it wouldn't destroy the regime if people whisper about rocket strikes. Kim doesn't want or need justification for launching missiles or fireing artillery. They have done so in the past without any justification, so why risk anything to get a justification he doesn't need? Second, he doesn't want armageddon. A war with the south would probably lead to horrorible losses in South Korea, but it will end with NK in ashes and the end of the regime.
Hmmm, trump could go for a medieval siege tactic, chuck a few missiles in, cause the downfall of NK then have the UN put so many trade restrictions in place that it leaves NK to (voice of Dominic Greene) "wither and die, ha ha!"
China wouldn't let the NK regime fall unless it's as a result of a total north-south war. They don't want a border to a unified Korea with a pro-US government. China would let in and out enough goods for the NK regime to survive, in secret if neccesery.
China wouldn't let the NK regime fall unless it's as a result of a total north-south war. They don't want a border to a unified Korea with a pro-US government. China would let in and out enough goods for the NK regime to survive, in secret if neccesery.
In the event of the North Korean regime being toppled, what do you think the chances are of China annexing it?
Good question (that's what the teachers said when they didn't know the answer, did you notice that? ))
They might try to, depending on how NK goes down the drain. After all, it's not much South Korea or the US could do about it. But I don't think they would do it by totally annexing a part of NK. I think it would be smarter to create a puppet state. NK isn't a pupper state now, since they aren't doing everything the way China would prefer. I think China would rather they behaved less aggressively and took fever risks.
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On the news this morning I see Donald Trump make his red line. If he says any more threats from North Korea then the USA will strike. He cannot now allow himself to not act as he would lose face in the USA and the world and especially North Korea. I think the USA prepares now to attack, what happens next is in the hands of the North Korean dictator. Does he give another threat?
If there is war here it will be bad for everyone not only in that region. I think but the USA will have made sure that China and Russia will not act to defend the North Korea.
Surely China would not want a nuclear fallout on their soil if an atomic strike etc. happens at the korean Peninsula.
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I wonder if the military generals of north Korea support the leader and his plans? I think this leader is unbalanced of mind, but also I think President Trump is also not the best to deal with this situation. The problem I see from this is not either the Korean leader or Donald Trump will now back down.
Apparently God has given Donald Trump authority to
Take care of Kim jong un.
I'd also say not to underestimate the unrealistic view north Koreas leader has of himself, he's been brought up knowing nothing other than he is the most powerful, precious and loved human being in his world and surrounded by yes men who dare not disagree with him, even the populous are brainwashed with propaganda about how great and strong their country is and how weak and destitute the rest of us are.
Someone is gonna come out of this with egg on the chops.
Trump backs down and he looks a bit daft and looses the chance of a second term and the UN looks pointless and everyone carries on.
Kim backs down and it could lead to revolution.
My money is on Kim standing his ground.
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The UN for what it's worth these days already looks impotent and powerless, and that's just after the middle east. Every time n Korea launches a missile it contravenes UN demands.
Kim has the advantage of having total control of the media inside NK. He can control the narrative his citizens heard 100%, so losing face to them really isn't a problem. The US has to realister after any attack on Guam. What sort of superpower doesn't after an attack on their own territory?
But you can't hide missiles raining down. If Kim bends over his regime is finished. If Trump strikes Kim will strike back, that's a given. It's probably how he wants it to play out, so he's got justification for launching.
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They might try to, depending on how NK goes down the drain. After all, it's not much South Korea or the US could do about it. But I don't think they would do it by totally annexing a part of NK. I think it would be smarter to create a puppet state. NK isn't a pupper state now, since they aren't doing everything the way China would prefer. I think China would rather they behaved less aggressively and took fever risks.
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