The return of Doctor Who (SPOILERS)

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  • FelixLeiter ♀FelixLeiter ♀ Staffordshire or a pubPosts: 1,286MI6 Agent
    I'm just saying that I'm leaving for a while now. I've got it to work and so now I'm going back to watching old clips from Doctor Who, in black and white on a smallish screen.
    Everyone's welcome to join me. I've started from the beginning and am on the Second Doctor's ones now. Some are rather good and exciting. They only last for about 2 minutes at the most though, the least being about 45 seconds.
    There is one that tells you what TARDIS stands for. I'm going to watch that again and again, until it finally sticks in my head!
    Again, join me if you'd like to. :)
    Relax darling, I'm on top of the situation -{
  • Moonraker 5Moonraker 5 Ayrshire, ScotlandPosts: 1,821MI6 Agent
    Quoting Hardyboy:
    Sounds like an interesting episode. . .though I wonder how this "collector" missed the fact there's a living, breathing creature inside the pepper pot?
    The trailer features a brief bit of dialogue from the collector saying "The cage contains my only living specimen."

    The main website has been updated with a cracking image of the beast itself, as well as the trailer for the episode where you can see more...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/
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  • FelixLeiter ♀FelixLeiter ♀ Staffordshire or a pubPosts: 1,286MI6 Agent
    I've had a look and they've got some interesting stuff.
    I'm only here because there's something wrong with my computer and I can't watch the old clips on real one player. It's most annoying when this keeps happening!
    Relax darling, I'm on top of the situation -{
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    The Tardis features in Casino Royale.

    Clive Owen uses it to go back to 1969 and attempt to settle down with Tracy, while the young Lazenby dashes forward in time to star in the 2006 prequel.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Moonraker 5Moonraker 5 Ayrshire, ScotlandPosts: 1,821MI6 Agent
    Quoting Napoleon Plural:
    Clive Owen uses it to go back to 1969 and attempt to settle down with Tracy, while the young Lazenby dashes forward in time to star in the 2006 prequel.
    Useless piece of trivia time...in last week's Hustle on BBC, starring Robert Vaughn of Man From U.N.C.L.E fame, the gang sting a bent copper at an auction house named "Lazenbys"...
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  • i expect u2 diei expect u2 die LondonPosts: 583MI6 Agent
    Hehe... cool... :p
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,906Chief of Staff
    edited April 2005
    Quoting FROSTY:
    I was recently watching a STAR TREK: THE ORIGINAL SERIES Episode entitled: THE EMPATH,
    and I was reminded that the BBC actually BANNED showing that Episode, until about 1994!!!!!!!!!! - the Episode features Captain Kirk being strung-up on chains, and tortured.

    I'm showing my geek credentials here, but it's actually Dr. McCoy who gets strung up and tortured. I can sort-of understand why it would have been banned by the BBC--it scared the hell out of me when I was a kid, and even today the sight of loveable old Bones beaten to a pulp is unnerving.

    I really hope the new Dr. Who isn't extraordinarily violent. One of the reasons I'm not a fan of the Colin Baker series is because it's far more violent--even, I felt, more mean-spirited--than its predecessors had been.
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  • Moonraker 5Moonraker 5 Ayrshire, ScotlandPosts: 1,821MI6 Agent
    edited April 2005
    Quoting FROSTY:
    John Beyer, director of mediawatch-uk, branded the BBC "irresponsible" for including such inappropriate imagery and language in a pre-watershed show. This is not a programme designed for children, Im surprised the BBC have gone with this, they should have been more attentive to youngsters. It seems that the broadcasters are taking the view that if youngsters are offended or disturbed by the show, then hard cheese. He called on the BBC to review the scheduling so that it is shown after 9.00pm."
    Given the fact that the BBC defiantly aired Jerry Springer: The Opera in the face of hysterical protests by the ultra-religious, I don't think they'll pay much attention to mediawatch-uk over this. Auntie seems to have found a pair of cojones recently. The day British television caves in to minority groups will be a sad one indeed.
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  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly Liverpool, UKPosts: 1,048MI6 Agent
    Quoting FROSTY:
    John Beyer, director of mediawatch-uk, branded the BBC "irresponsible" for including such inappropriate imagery and language in a pre-watershed show. This is not a programme designed for children, Im surprised the BBC have gone with this, they should have been more attentive to youngsters. It seems that the broadcasters are taking the view that if youngsters are offended or disturbed by the show, then hard cheese. He called on the BBC to review the scheduling so that it is shown after 9.00pm."

    MediaWatch UK, let's not forget, is the new, 21st Century name for the Festival of Light, Mary Whitehouse's eccentric band of nutcases. These are people who would basically like television to return to the late 50s, when it was nothing but wholesome shows involving cooking and the potters wheel. But hang on... wasn't the cooking show presented by Fanny and Johnny... and didn't the potters wheel look like a phallus if you squinted hard enough? BAN THIS SICK FILTH NOW! Let's go back to the good old days of Dr Who when there were penis shaped monsters and Romana dressed like a schoolgirl. Such innocent days.
    Founder of the Wint & Kidd Appreciation Society.

    @merseytart
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,906Chief of Staff
    Penis shaped monsters? I always wondered about those Sontarans. . .

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  • FelixLeiter ♀FelixLeiter ♀ Staffordshire or a pubPosts: 1,286MI6 Agent
    Quoting FROSTY:
    Quoting FROSTY:
    Quoting Moonraker 5:
    and what's with the small clip of the Doctor stripped from the waist up pleading for his life?? :o

    ***SPOILER***

    The Doctor is apparently CRUCIFIED in that Scene!! :o :D,
    this was mentioned in the Tabloids,
    due to the fact that our "Moral Guardians" (and "Religious Right"!), MEDIAWATCH,
    were complaining about the scene.

    We'll find out what the fuss is about, on Saturday :D.........

    ***END OF SPOILER***

    When I read the first line of FROSTY's post I almost chocked to death!
    I've been over at the website (again) and have just finished watching all the Fifth Doctors clips. Tomorrow I'll start on the sixth Doctor's.
    Relax darling, I'm on top of the situation -{
  • Moore Not LessMoore Not Less Posts: 1,095MI6 Agent
    Here is some news that you may not have heard yet. Episode 12 will be officially titled Bad Wolf, according to Doctor Who Magazine.

    I must say that I am eagerly anticipating episode 6, Dalek. This is the episode that I have been waiting to see more than any other.

    And judging by this fantastic image of the Dalek at the BBC's official website I am not going to be disappointed.

    http://bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/
  • Moonraker 5Moonraker 5 Ayrshire, ScotlandPosts: 1,821MI6 Agent
    Quoting Moore Not Less:
    And judging by this fantastic image of the Dalek at the BBC's official website I am not going to be disappointed.
    Indeed. Certainly not the gleaming, shiny slow moving 'bots of yesteryear...

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  • Moore Not LessMoore Not Less Posts: 1,095MI6 Agent
    edited April 2005
    Quoting Moonraker 5:
    Indeed. Certainly not the gleaming, shiny slow moving 'bots of yesteryear...

    And what terrifying new function does the old "sink plunger" have? The horror! The horror!
  • FelixLeiter ♀FelixLeiter ♀ Staffordshire or a pubPosts: 1,286MI6 Agent
    I watched it for 2 hours this morning on UKGold. My brother came down about 2 minutes in. Strange, he's never usually up that early...but then neither am I!
    It started at 7 but then I decided last night that I would just get up a bit before 8 and watch the replay!
    I was surprised how much I enjoyed it actually. It was with Tom Baker and entitled something like 'The Return to Traken' I believe.
    Tomorrow morning there's one on at the same time which is entitled 'Logopolis'. I've seen a few clips for it on the website.
    Next weekend however, it will be with Peter Davison and entitled 'Castrovalva'. I've also seen a few clips for that on the website. But my TV guide won't go any further than that I'm afraid. :(
    Anyway, I'm absolutely thrilled about tonight's episode and am looking forward to an episode that will be extremely exciting! :) I'm sure I won't be disapionted! :D
    Relax darling, I'm on top of the situation -{
  • Fat_BobFat_Bob Posts: 2MI6 Agent
    I just watched it great episode.
    I really felt sorry for the dalek.. poor sack of meat in a bin :(
    I also hope there are other time lords out there.

    I was kind of hoping the dalek would stow away in the tardis and come back with more daleks lol.
    Cool new weapons it had too.
  • Moonraker 5Moonraker 5 Ayrshire, ScotlandPosts: 1,821MI6 Agent
    edited April 2005
    WOW!

    That was fanbloomintastic. What a terrifying, yet oddly vulnerable creature the Dalek was. I was most surprised that it actually had most of the dialogue in the episode too, it's not just a monotonous killing drone. It thinks. It interacts. It feels.

    So many great moments. First obviously was the Doctor talking to into the darkness apologising for the creature's captivity and introducing himself, and being met with:
    "Doctor? THE Doctor?"
    The look on his face was incredulous as it was illuminated and screamed the immortal
    "You are an enemy of the Daleks! Exterminate!"

    However, I was most shocked by the Doctor's hatred and anger for it, and his willingness to torture and destroy it. Now we DO know that the Daleks waged the time war on Gallifrey, however we also know that the Doctor was responsible not only for the Dalek destruction, but most likely the Time Lords' destruction. Classic dialogue when the Dalek finds out
    "You destroyed us?"
    "I had no choice"
    "And what of the Time Lords?"
    "Dead. They burned with you"
    "So...the coward survives"

    The moment it had with Rose was actually quite touching, when it admitted it was dying and that it was in pain. And later, with a brave Rose saying her goodbyes to the Doctor after he seals the vault with her inside, as it rounds the corner and advances slowly toward her it's quite frightening. They way it moves, they way it looks at people...amazing stuff. And of course, the poor creature inside, when it opens up to reveal itself.

    The Doctor's anger is tempered by Rose "You can't kill it, I won't let you" and the Dalek itself when he was urging it to die "You would make a great Dalek"

    Simply brilliant, so well paced as well. Lessons learned? Never mock a Dalek when it's at the bottom of a staircase. Despite the fact it can't do facial expressions, you could just tell how smug it must have felt when it announced "Elevate..." Also never scoff at it and ask "What are you gonna do? Sucker me to death? haha!" ;)

    And just to tease our American friends, I was very surprised by the simplistic appearance of the Cyberman. That was 60's Who, not the 80's frowning robot with tinfoil. Simple but effective, as it looked creepy as hell...
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,762Chief of Staff
    Quoting Moonraker 5:
    WOW!

    Wow indeed.

    The best episode so far. An intelligent script that worked on a number of levels - it just needed more time to really develop the plot and other characters, and that is the only criticism I can level at it.

    The scenes that feature the Doctor and the Dalek are, obviously, the best - with, as M5 points out, some classic dialogue and great acting.

    Again there is the mention of Bad Wolf - this time it's a helicopter.
    YNWA 97
  • Moore Not LessMoore Not Less Posts: 1,095MI6 Agent
    edited May 2005
    Tonight's episode will surely go down in Doctor Who folklore as one of the greats. 'Dalek' was by some distance the best episode of this series so far. My expectation's were far exceeded. It was dark, exciting, tense, chilling, dramatic and atmospheric. The fact that it was just a lone Dalek rather than an army, and the fact that the whole episode was set in the confines of an underground base really added to the drama.

    What a great idea for a story. A billionaire (Henry van Statten) collector of alien artefacts houses them in an underground museum, 53 floors down. And one of the exhibits is alive. Robert Shearman deserves credit for a first rate script which provides great drama and character building.

    The Tardis arrives at the museum, attracted by a mysterious signal. The first of many great moments is when the Doctor spots the head of a Cyberman as he and Rose are taking a tour. "The stuff of nightmares reduced to an exhibit. I'm getting old."

    The Doctor's introduction to the Dalek was a classic moment as mentioned by Moonraker 5, but I was not so shocked by the Doctor's hatred and anger for it. It seems he was in a situation where he had the opportunity to end the time war, but he had to sacrifice the Time Lords to succeed. What a terrible dilemna for him. "I watched it happen, I made it happen." Naturally, thereafter, his anger and hatred would be directed toward anything remotely connected to a Dalek.

    The torture scene was quite dramatic. Even though he is in pain the Doctor shows no concern about his well being, he is more concerned about the welfare of all the people at the museum and beyond, "It knows I'm here, it's going to get out." "No one on this base is safe. No one on this planet."

    The scene where Rose is introduced to the Dalek is indeed touching, as stated by Moonraker 5. However, when the Dalek admitted it was dying and in pain was this just an act to gain more sympathy from Rose? When she introduced herself to the Dalek, Rose said "I have a friend, he's called the Doctor."

    Rose inadvertantly revives the Dalek and it escapes and goes on a killing spree swivelling it's torso back and forth and also elevating. Chilling indeed. In another wonderful scene the Dalek speaks to the Doctor on camera, "The Daleks must survive". An angry Doctor retorts "Why don't you just die? which is answered, "You would make a good Dalek."

    The sealing of the vault is also dramatic. Rose is trapped, seemingly at the mercy of the Dalek. The Doctor hears the Dalek "Exterminate" Rose. "I killed her." He then has an angry exchange with Henry van Statten, "Exactly, I wanted to touch the stars." "You just wan't to drag the stars down and stick them underground underneath tons of sand and dirt and label them. You're about as far from the stars as you can get!"

    In another great exchange between the Doctor and the Dalek on camera, the Dalek proclaims "What use are emotions if you will not save the woman you love? Van Statten then pleads for his life and Rose intervenes to save him by pleading to the Dalek "What more do you wan't?" "I wan't freedom."

    In one final dramatic scene the Dalek opens itself to reveal the creature inside. An angry Doctor want's to kill it, but Rose intervenes. "It's changing. What about you Doctor. What the hell are you changing into?"

    The acting was top notch, Christopher Eccleston really excelled in this episode as the more dramatic storyline suited him better. Billie Piper was as good, if not better than ever. I also wan't to mention Corey Johnson for his convincing portrayal of Henry van Statten.

    Some of the camerawork was really outstanding. An example being the overhead shot of the Dalek when it swivels it's torso back and forth 180 degrees while exterminating the soldiers at either end of the corridor.

    Yes indeed. A great episode.
  • Saint MarkSaint Mark Posts: 3MI6 Agent
    Jeez you should mention something like SPOILERS AHEAD.
    You've given away about everything...........
  • FelixLeiter ♀FelixLeiter ♀ Staffordshire or a pubPosts: 1,286MI6 Agent
    edited May 2005
    Quoting Saint Mark:
    Jeez you should mention something like SPOILERS AHEAD.
    You've given away about everything...........

    Our spoilers are usually mentioned. But these were not considered as spoilers because the people who come to this topic, have just watched the episode. That didn't exactly come out the way I wanted it to, but oh well. :D
    An absolutely supberb episode! I had to go and have my tea so I missed 15 mins of the middle. :( But I am smart so I taped it. :D I watched it all the way through just. I can't put it into words how brilliant it was. Some great lines as well.
    "You would make a good Dalek"
    "The great alien defeated by a flight of stairs!" :))
    "I'm getting old"
    "Wipe his memory and dump him buy the roadside somewhere"
    "Somewhere beginning with S" :))
    oh and of course, not forgetting,
    "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!" :D

    Next episode's 'next time' doesn't give much away. But I suppose I could always go on TVguide and press i. :D
    Again I watched the old 2 hour thing on UKGold. It was titled Logopolis and was very good. Something I found particularly interesting, was the Doctor's regeneration. :)

    Felix's favourite line is still here. But I think because it makes more sense, I'm going to change the name to 'Felix's favourite funny line. As I don't neccessary post my favourite line.

    Rose: And she's going to slap you if you keep calling her she!

    :)) :)) :))
    Relax darling, I'm on top of the situation -{
  • FelixLeiter ♀FelixLeiter ♀ Staffordshire or a pubPosts: 1,286MI6 Agent
    Has anyone played on The Last Dalek game on the website? I'm on it now and it's great fun! I've got onto level 5 and now it says that it's loading map nan. Unfortunately it's taking a while to load. I'm having a blast.
    I'm only on it thought because I've finished watching all the clips. I'm glad though.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/games/index.shtml
    Relax darling, I'm on top of the situation -{
  • Moore Not LessMoore Not Less Posts: 1,095MI6 Agent
    Dalek overnight ratings

    The initial overnight ratings are in for Dalek, episode six of the new series broadcast Saturday night... and it's great news! "Dalek" was not only the top of it's time slot for the evening, with an average viewership of 7.83 million viewers and a 42.73% viewer share, but was in fact the most watched British television show on Saturday, day or night! The episode peaked at 8.73 million viewers (45.9% share).

    http://www.gallifreyone.com/

    MNL. While I visited the gallifrey site I took the chance to read the early reviews of Dalek posted by the members there. The reviews were almost universally positive, one or two saying that Dalek was the best ever episode.
  • jimbofinjimbofin Posts: 1MI6 Agent
    Wonkyness of TARDIS, Big Bad Wolf, lots of episodes based on Big Finish audio stories... so that brings you to the conclusion that we might be on a post divergence timeline where what is happening 'now' might not be what actually happens, or has to happen. There is a Big Finish production where the Tardis starts to emulate fairytale characters to alert the Dr that what is happening is not quite right.
  • FelixLeiter ♀FelixLeiter ♀ Staffordshire or a pubPosts: 1,286MI6 Agent
    edited May 2005
    Quoting jimbofin:
    Wonkyness of TARDIS, Big Bad Wolf, lots of episodes based on Big Finish audio stories... so that brings you to the conclusion that we might be on a post divergence timeline where what is happening 'now' might not be what actually happens, or has to happen. There is a Big Finish production where the Tardis starts to emulate fairytale characters to alert the Dr that what is happening is not quite right.

    I didn't really get any of that.
    Anyway...I went to the website this morning (yes, again!) and got a Dalek background for my computer! :D
    I'd tried getting others from the site but when they enlarged they went all blury. But now I've finally got one that totally rocks! :D
    BTW, why has this topic got changed to a spoiler?
    Relax darling, I'm on top of the situation -{
  • Moonraker 5Moonraker 5 Ayrshire, ScotlandPosts: 1,821MI6 Agent
    Quoting FelixLeiter007:
    BTW, why has this topic got chamged to a spoiler?
    Because it contains spoilers, funnily enough...
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    I liked the episode but could have done without the BBC announcer's comment at the end...
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Moonraker 5Moonraker 5 Ayrshire, ScotlandPosts: 1,821MI6 Agent
    edited May 2005
    Quoting Napoleon Plural:
    I liked the episode but could have done without the BBC announcer's comment at the end...
    What did they say? We have different announcers up here and no one spoke over the end.

    Oh, and though I read that the first episode was marred by a sound mix-up from Graham Norton's microphone, we didn't get that up here either, because someone in BBC Scotland pushes the buttons for up here.

    The main website's been updated again, though now done in a very bizarre collection of alternating pictures. Doesn't give much away about the next episode at all. However, the guest star this week is Simon Pegg, of Shaun Of The Dead fame.
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  • i expect u2 diei expect u2 die LondonPosts: 583MI6 Agent
    edited May 2005
    Hah, on this page, the adverts at the bottom say "Daleks for sale" :))
  • Moonraker 5Moonraker 5 Ayrshire, ScotlandPosts: 1,821MI6 Agent
    Quoting i expect u2 die:
    Hah, on this page, the adverts at the bottom say "Daleks for sale" :))
    You never know, they may be going cheap ;)

    Another seemingly pukka website by the BBC for Doctor Who, http://www.geocomtex.net/ and a strong reference to the Bad Wolf on the main page if you click (if you're fast enough to catch it) on the image of the wolf, funnily enough.
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