Your Opinion of Best Bond FILM
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What do you guys think is the best Bond film? As in the Bond movie that has the best camera angles, editing, cinematography, music, style, etc. I would have to go with On Her Majesty's Secret Service. The cinematography is excellent, from the beaches of France to the Swiss Alps to the creepy brainwashing scene. The editing is excellent as well, considering Peter Hunt was an editor. The music is, IMO, the second Best bond music, with Thunderball a close first. Everything about OHMSS makes this more than the best Bond film, but also an excellent film itself.
What do you guys think is the best Bond film? As in the Bond movie that has the best camera angles, editing, cinematography, music, style, etc. I would have to go with On Her Majesty's Secret Service. The cinematography is excellent, from the beaches of France to the Swiss Alps to the creepy brainwashing scene. The editing is excellent as well, considering Peter Hunt was an editor. The music is, IMO, the second Best bond music, with Thunderball a close first. Everything about OHMSS makes this more than the best Bond film, but also an excellent film itself.
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OHMSS stands up very well against films like Where Eagles Dare, around the same time. But it has a slightly heavy style more in common with other WW2 adventures like Operation Crossbow or The Heroes of Telemark or The Guns of Naverone. None of these are sexy movies and neither is OHMSS imo, despite or the rather sordid sex stuff in Piz Gloria.
As all-round movies I'd have to say FRWL and GF stand the test of time very very well. Of Moore's I'd say TSWLM ticks the right boxes but personally I don't like it as much as MR, which of course can't really be taken seriously, despite a largely superior score and lovely cinematography. I'm afraid only TWINE of Brosnan's films even works as a movie for me, but I accept that comparing Dalton's TLD with an action movie of the same era rather than a Bond film may do it favours. Still, too much relying on past glories and being boxed into new plots and obscure locations means that new films don't have the same opps.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
OHMSS was good, but it wasn' as polished as Goldfinger. Among the Moores, TSWLM was the best.
Sorry, Napoleon Plural, I don't agree that Moonraker is even remotely as good as TSWLM in any way. Dalton's two efforts were both okay (with LTK the superior) but if one were to compare them to action films of the day, they would be middle-of-the-road. Among Brosnan's the best is Goldeneye, which is superior to most action/spy films.
Napoleon Plural, I do like Bond films to take themselves seriously, but I found that OHMSS didn't take itself nearly as seriously as the Dalton films, which took themselves too seriously.
Well I can't argue that MR is better than TSWLM, it's just a personal thing. Elements are better, but it's like when you know one girl is better looking than the other objectively, you just fancy the other one more.
Of course compared to Lethal Weapon, The Untouchables and Die Hard, TLD and LTK were very lacklustre. I don't know, I guess I was thinking of Steven Seagal films to compare it with. The Bond films still had some exotic touches that lifted it above your usual B movie stuff. TLD hasn't dated so badly, despite the Cold War history stuff that places it in the past.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
Well, I still don't agree unless the objectively better looking girl is TSWLM. Not only do I much prefer it, but I genuinely believe that it is an objectively superior film (as objectively as one can get).
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Anyway On Her Majesty's Secret Service is the best film in every way possible. With the exception of best Bond which would go to Mr. Connery.(Don't think Connery could have pulled off On Her Majesty's Secret Servicer though)
While OHMSS may be the best of the Bond films that are closest to a Fleming novel, from a cinematic point of view, Goldfinger is the best of the films full stop. It's acting, screenplay, direction, production values and music are the best in the series.
(I would also argue that Connery could do OHMSS)
That's what I meant. Better song (Nobody Does It Better, better pts stunt, more menacing Jaws and snazzy car and no double-taking pidgeon...) Objectively TSWLM is the better film. For some reason it leaves me a bit cold.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
My vote goes to OHMSS. The cinematography is beautiful. The theme song is fantastic, even though it isn't really a theme song. We Have All the Time in the World is great, too.
I like Lazenby, I admit it.
Anyway, why don't you give me a reason (as I did in a previous post) as to why all these films are better than Goldinger, instead of just restating your opinion as if it was a fact, when it is anything but a fact?
You know discussing this is purely subjective opinion. Let's try and share our reasons for the Best film without shooting at each other. Thanks
Anyway, enough with the unpleasantries. In my opinion, the first four 007 adventures translated to film, simply are impossible to surpass. In regards to originality and independency they are, (for myself) truly the "best Bond film s .
Do you ever read other peoples' posts? If you had (which I doubt) you would have noted that my reasons for Goldfinger being the best were the superiority (in my opinion) of its acting, screenplay, direction, production values and music. I have never once pretended that my opinions were facts. I just (unlike you) didn't simply make statements as if they were facts without backing them up. You are still yet to provide a single reason as to why so Dr. No, FRWL and OHMSS were superior to Goldfinger.
Finally, I disagree that YOLT and DAF are terrible. I have YOLT at 5th on my all-time list, while DAF is at 11th. (OHMSS is at 9th.) There is no reason to believe that if Connery had been in OHMSS (and I wish he had), the screenplay would have been compromised in any way.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
In my opinion, the finest films in the series are the first four films Eon made.They have the luxury of being based upon some of Ian Fleming's best novels, and while similar in style and presentation, each of them is different thematically.For example,Dr.No is the updated Sax Rohmer-influenced mad scientist movie.From Russia With Love is the suspense thriller.Goldfinger is the 'caper' movie and Thunderball is the epic.Almost every James Bond film that followed these four movies owes something to them in their style, their content and their tone.
From among the original four movies, I like From Russia With Love best.The book was Fleming's own personal favorite from among his many novels and it's adapted fairly closely to the screen.My second favorite is Thunderball-as with FRWL, the plot is relatively believable and 007 has yet to become a superhuman character.Goldfinger is fantastic and fun and so is Dr.No(although I wish the doctor didn't have a rocketship in the corner of his hideout).I also have a high regard for OHMSS,and while I certainly respect what George Lazenby did, would much rather have seen Connery in it (and also seen a considerably closer and thus better adaptation of You Only Live Twice--OHMSS's literary sequel, follow,and again with Connery,as opposed to the overly fantastic version of YOLT Eon cranked out).
I've always liked Roger Moore-he was a unique 007, and appeared in every kind of Bond film for Eon-- from the outrageous to the serious.IMO his best Bond film is For Your Eyes Only. And I was greatly impressed by Timothy Dalton's performances in both of his motion pictures-especially Licence to Kill, but not quite as much with Pierce Brosnan--but that's less a judgment of him as an actor and more because all of his movies are revenge stories.The World Is Not Enough
is my favorite from among Brosnan's films.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
No fighting guys.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I make Goldfinger as the MOST IMPORTANT Bond film...though you may in fact be right, because it does represent the final unification of the various elements that make Bond work. Somebody wise once said (many will no doubt take credit), "They've been trying to remake Goldfinger ever since."
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
My question is, how much worse are TB & YOLT compared to the first 3? Also,is either one of these films clearly superior to the other? IMO, TB is a little better than YOLT but not quite good enough to change the "golden trilogy" into the "fantastic four."
Roger Ebert's favorite as well.