"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I got 12 of 14; and I take issue with the two questions I was "wrong" on (as well as one that I was "right" on) as the answers are open to interpretation.
I got 12 of 14; and I take issue with the two questions I was "wrong" on (as well as one that I was "right" on) as the answers are open to interpretation.
Really? :v Please explain.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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Out of curiosity, Tony and Rogue, which questions did you get wrong, and which were debatable?
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Out of curiosity, Tony and Rogue, which questions did you get wrong, and which were debatable?
I'm being deliberately nitpicky here (as any good Trekkie would be):
The question about how many shows there were is debatable because lots of people consider the animated show a continuation of the original series (same ship, same characters, same actors and it even used a few stories originally developed for the live action show).
The question about how many characters Majel Barrett played is debatable because I don't consider the computer's voice a character; it never really played a significant part in any story. And if you go that route, you could also give her credit as the computer voice in TNG and DS9. She also played many more female guest roles in the animated show (most female guest characters were voiced by either her or Nichelle Nichols).
The question about how Spock died is debatable because even when his body died in STII his katra (ie: his soul) was safely tucked away inside Dr. McCoy.
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Pretty much what Tony said on the tv question; I was one of those that considered the animated series as more of a continuation than its own seperate vehicle...so I missed that one.
Although I knew that Joan Collins was in an old ep, I could not specifically recall the title of that ep and guessed wrong. ;%
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I missed the question regarding how many Captains of the Enterprise there were (I forgot about the episode with April).
I also missed the question about 'who was not a member of the Enterprise Crew?' I skipped Matt Decker because I got confused about the character Stephen Collins played in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. His character, who was also named Decker, was the new captain of Enterprise.
Oh well...I actually would have been more disappointed in myself if I had gotten 100%!
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Reviews for the new movie are starting to trickle in and have been very positive so far. Now I expect fanboy sites like AICN to go all gaga over the movie (they were probably bought out months ago) but there was also a very positive review in the Hollywood Reporter today: THR Reviews Star Trek. There are some minor spoilers within so use discretion.
The film is also currently at 100% over at Rotten Tomatoes - Star Trek at Rotten Tomatoes - though there are only a handful of reviews. It'll be interesting to see how it tracks as more and more non-genre sites start to put up their opinions.
I'm sure the changes the movie makes to established Trek lore and its attempts to be more hip and relevant to today's audiences won't sit well in some circles but I've accepted the fact that Trek had to change if it wanted to survive so I'll be going to see it with an open mind and no expectations. Besides, classic Trek will always be there; Season 1 of the Remastered original series is being released on BluRay Next Week. Setting credit card to charge mode....
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I'm sure the changes the movie makes to established Trek lore and its attempts to be more hip and relevant to today's audiences won't sit well in some circles
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
I'm sure the changes the movie makes to established Trek lore and its attempts to be more hip and relevant to today's audiences won't sit well in some circles
You know Rogue, as I was writing that I pictured you sitting at your desk...nodding your head negatively. )
Like I said, whether this tanks or rockets to success, those old shows and movies will always be with us so there's no need to go all Peter Parker and drown in angst.
Just promise me you won't stage a protest in front of the theater and picket the movie. Those kinds of things never end well
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You know Rogue, as I was writing that I pictured you sitting at your desk...nodding your head negatively. )
Like I said, whether this tanks or rockets to success, those old shows and movies will always be with us so there's no need to go all Peter Parker and drown in angst.
Just promise me you won't stage a protest in front of the theater and picket the movie. Those kinds of things never end well
You know, I will never claim to be the world's greatest Trekkie (God knows that there are thousands of geeks out there who could put me to shame) but this rebooting/remaking great classics is getting more than a little fashionable these days...it's outright contagious.
Star Trek was one of those shows that had a tremendous influence on my upbringing; I remember at 9-10 years old playing the parts at recess (I had to be Kirk right down to the mannerisms), I drew my own imaginary comic books on the series and collected the old Gold Key issues and I remember catching the subway into the city, in freezing cold weather of 1979 to see the premiere of ST: The Motion Picture. These silly things were/are a big deal to me... ;%
Now years later J.J. comes along and wants to erase the slate somewhat as if that was the past and it's old news. I'm sorry, man but that's encroachment to me. X-(
Quite frankly, I don't care if the younger generations care for TOS or not; it belonged to us. I introduced the 60s show to my son and taught him how cool it was...key word TAUGHT. Others should do the same...not reboot it. Honestly, the Trekkie in me will more than likely go see it but I won't be in a hurry; I'll probably see a ST marathon that weekend instead. I already know it's not going to be a bust and it sort of saddens me in a weird way.
That doesn't mean that I'm right about this, just honest about it.
There is nothing more awesome than seeing Kirk fight a fake Lizard-Man. Nothing.
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Star Trek had a profound influence on me as well. I literally (and I mean literally) learned to speak English watching the old show, associating the words I heard with the images I saw on screen. It helped me to adjust to life in a new world after coming to America and my earliest childhood memories revolve around that show. My brother and I also braved a cold trip on the bus and subway in the middle of December to see ST:TMP (first movie I ever saw in a movie theater, BTW).
But let's not kid ourselves. Star Trek is a business. It was created, like any TV show, to make money for its studio. That it evolved into this longstanding cultural phenomenon is a happy but unexpected side effect and anybody who thinks that it was created as some artistic or social statement is being naive.
I don't blame Abrams for essentially rebooting Trek. If you stop to think about it, he really didn't have much of a choice. Rick Berman and his team drove Trek into the ground and turned it into a laughingstock with mainstream audiences. The shows and movies got progressively worse, degenerating into self-indulgent ego-trips for the actors. By the end, it was a really shoddy production that had less and less in common with Roddenberry's original vision and relied far too much on recycled stories, hackneyed technobabble, pro wrestlers guest starring as aliens and gratuitous sex. The Star Trek that Rick Berman was caretaker of is dead and buried and gone. The only version to still remain relevant and viable is that original incarnation. Its the only show that has endured in reruns and the only one that still has any mystique around it. Its no wonder that Abrams went back to it.
How many Sherlock Holmes have there been? How many James Bonds? How many incarnations of Batman and Superman have we gotten? Just as new versions of those characters haven't negated what came before, I don't see how a new Trek with a new Kirk and a new Spock is any different or does any harm to those classic shows. They're still there and always will be there. Paramount isn't shuttering them away, they're actively re-packaging and re-releasing them again, this time on BluRay.
So I really don't get all the angst over this new movie. It isn't the same situation as Bond's reboot for example, where a franchise that was still commercially successful and viable with a lead actor who was still popular and fit was reset. Trek has been dead for 7 years and this is one last stab at bringing it back to life. Worst case scenario: it will suck and Trek will be dead once again, just like it was after Nemesis tanked and Enterprise was cancelled. Best case scenario: it might actually be - heaven forbid - pretty good and maybe even get some people interested in Trek again. Who knows, after they see the movie they may even want to check out some of the original episodes. I don't see any harm in that at all.
There is nothing more awesome than seeing Kirk fight a fake Lizard-Man. Nothing.
Yes there is: seeing Kirk win the day by putting the moves on some alien babe. Sherry Jackson in skintight spandex beats a scaly Gorn anyday.
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edited April 2009
I agree with pretty much everything you've said, Tony, but I'd add the caveat that Eon should at least be given some credit for being proactive, rather than letting its property slip down the proverbial slippery slope until it flatlined, as was the case (sadly) with Trek Granted, Bond was still in good health in '02...but IMRO he'd begun to lose his footing.
TOS will always rule...but I'm also a big fan of the TNG television show---their last five seasons can stand tall with the best of TOS, in my book: episodes like "Yesterday's Enterprise," "The Best of Both Worlds," "Cause And Effect," "The Inner Light"---and the series finale, "All Good Things" B-) ---are some of the best television of their era---perhaps all time. Too bad that (aside from First Contact), they couldn't make a quality transition to the big screen.
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Seeing as you're a fan of TNG Loeffs, you really should pick up Star Trek: Countdown. It's a prequel comic to the new movie written by Orci and Kurtzman and several TNG characters figure very prominently into the story. It also acts as something of a sequel to Nemesis, showing us what some of the TNG characters have been up to. Without going all spoilerish, their actions tie into the events of the film in several key ways and it fleshes out Spock and Nero's backstories. Its a pretty good read with some good artwork that ties the alternate universe that the new movie takes place in with the classic universe that the prior shows and movies took place in. The 4 individual issues of the miniseries were recently bound into a trade edition, which is what I got. I think you might like it.
Star Trek had a profound influence on me as well. I literally (and I mean literally) learned to speak English watching the old show, associating the words I heard with the images I saw on screen. It helped me to adjust to life in a new world after coming to America and my earliest childhood memories revolve around that show.
But let's not kid ourselves. Star Trek is a business. It was created, like any TV show, to make money for its studio. That it evolved into this longstanding cultural phenomenon is a happy but unexpected side effect and anybody who thinks that it was created as some artistic or social statement is being naive.
I don't blame Abrams for essentially rebooting Trek. If you stop to think about it, he really didn't have much of a choice. Rick Berman and his team drove Trek into the ground and turned it into a laughingstock with mainstream audiences. The shows and movies got progressively worse, degenerating into self-indulgent ego-trips for the actors. By the end, it was a really shoddy production that had less and less in common with Roddenberry's original vision and relied far too much on recycled stories, hackneyed technobabble, pro wrestlers guest starring as aliens and gratuitous sex. The Star Trek that Rick Berman was caretaker of is dead and buried and gone. The only version to still remain relevant and viable is that original incarnation. Its the only show that has endured in reruns and the only one that still has any mystique around it. Its no wonder that Abrams went back to it.
How many Sherlock Holmes have there been? How many James Bonds? How many incarnations of Batman and Superman have we gotten? Just as new versions of those characters haven't negated what came before, I don't see how a new Trek with a new Kirk and a new Spock is any different or does any harm to those classic shows. They're still there and always will be there. Paramount isn't shuttering them away, they're actively re-packaging and re-releasing them again, this time on BluRay.
So I really don't get all the angst over this new movie. It isn't the same situation as Bond's reboot for example, where a franchise that was still commercially successful and viable with a lead actor who was still popular and fit was reset. Trek has been dead for 7 years and this is one last stab at bringing it back to life. Worst case scenario: it will suck and Trek will be dead once again, just like it was after Nemesis tanked and Enterprise was cancelled. Best case scenario: it might actually be - heaven forbid - pretty good and maybe even get some people interested in Trek again. Who knows, after they see the movie they may even want to check out some of the original episodes. I don't see any harm in that at all.
There is nothing more awesome than seeing Kirk fight a fake Lizard-Man. Nothing.
Yes there is: seeing Kirk win the day by putting the moves on some alien babe. Sherry Jackson in skintight spandex beats a scaly Gorn anyday.
Tony, I honestly do not have a retort for your points because what you've said is all right. However, there are exceptions to the rule: When I think Sherlock Holmes, he'll always be Basil Rathbone to me, when I think James Bond, I will always worship Sean Connery (even though we've been conditioned to a new actor every 5-6 films as the same with Batman) but when I think of Capt. James T. Kirk, there is only SHATNER.
The actor and character are synomynous with one another and that's a great part of what makes this particular series "Above the chaos" of remake/reboot hell. It's a series that I'd hope would be left untouched. I'm just OD'ed on the concept; Hollywood has gotten lazy with coming up with new ideas so they infringe instead.
When are we going to get something fresh like Star Wars was in '77? Indiana Jones? I'm afraid that we won't in this our lifetime.
My feelings may come across as selfish to many and that's fine. But even through your plausible rationality, Tony, a small part of you knows I'm right.
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My feelings may come across as selfish to many and that's fine. But even through your plausible rationality, Tony, a small part of you knows I'm right.
You're starting to sound more and more like Sybok from ST V:TFF (You know I'm right!) )
I know where you're coming from and my brother shares many of your feelings. I guess I've just gotten a little better at keeping things separate. Shatner will always be Kirk for me as well (Chris Pine has said as much in several interviews as well, if that makes you feel better) and I have the shows and movies whenever I need my fix. But Shatner's pushing 80 and its either this or nothing when it comes to new Trek adventures. Like I said the old cast is either dead or too aged and will not be making any more movies. It's not as if this new cast is stealing work from them or somehow taking food off their table or money out of their wallets so to speak, so I'm not averse to at least giving this new incarnation a look. It'll only cost me $10 and two hours of my life.
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Rogue, it's not a question of selfishness. When something is done right the first time around, there is no need to re do it or reboot it cause in most cases when Hollywood has tried to catch lightning in a bottle again with a remake, they've failed miserably and have cheapened what came before.
I'm like you. Patrick McGoohan will always be the Prisoner. I'll watch this new adaptation but my love will always be with McGoohan's portrayal of the character. It's special to me now as it was when I first watched it many years ago. In the same vein, Darren McGavin will always be Kolchak, Robert Conrad will always be James West, Michael Rennie will always be Klatu etc.
Unfortunately these days it's easier for Hollywood to dish out remakes/reboots instead of filming something new and unique.
There is nothing wrong with watching the new Trek film. It's just a film. If I want to watch the "real" Trek all I have to do is pop in my OriginalTrek DVD collection and I'm back to where I was when I first viewed it. Same magic, same awesomeness.
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Thanks, Spec. Yeah, you're right. I think I'll go buy the animated series(if I can find it) at Best Buy come premiere weekend for this...*gulp* reboot and watch those instead...maybe a little SPACE: 1999 too.
I will await what you guys thought of the film though. I'll more than likely go because of the Trekkie gene in me, just really not in a hurry to.
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Rogue for what it's worth, The Trek Animated Series is awesome. I'll take it above any of the other Trek incarnations like Deep Sleep Mine, Voyajerk and TNG. It has some great stories written by Original Trek alumnists and of course the original cast doing the voices. And what can I say about Space 1999? Another one of my favorite Tv shows. Bought the DVDs when they first came out. A very good show but greatly underrated.
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Such disrespect for TNG; it's depressing I guess Picard & Co. can be likened to poor old Sir Roger: they kept the franchise alive and well, perhaps even drew new fans in...but get no credit for their contribution
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Such disrespect for TNG; it's depressing I guess Picard & Co. can be likened to poor old Sir Roger: they kept the franchise alive and well, perhaps even drew new fans in...but get no credit for their contribution
A very good analogy BroLoeff. And a shame, as I know you and I agree that the writing, acting etc. on TNG was unparalleled ( until perhaps the reincarnation of Battlestar Galatica B-) ) in the t.v. sci-fi genre. Ofcourse there can be no comparison between TOS and TNG, as TOS must win out everytime on the cool-o-meter...But funny that like Sir Roger...no respect is given. Huh,... is this what it feels like to be a CBTer ? ?:) )
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...But funny that like Sir Roger...no respect is given. Huh,... is this what it feels like to be a CBTer ? ?:) )
...
Omigod, I've had an epiphany... I'm suddenly filled with empathy for our Bonditical rivals from across the aisle )
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I guessed alot, but I managed to get 9/14.
I got 12/14 right. I was sure one of those questions that I missed was debatable, the other one I just didn't have a clue on. ?:)
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I'm being deliberately nitpicky here (as any good Trekkie would be):
The question about how many shows there were is debatable because lots of people consider the animated show a continuation of the original series (same ship, same characters, same actors and it even used a few stories originally developed for the live action show).
The question about how many characters Majel Barrett played is debatable because I don't consider the computer's voice a character; it never really played a significant part in any story. And if you go that route, you could also give her credit as the computer voice in TNG and DS9. She also played many more female guest roles in the animated show (most female guest characters were voiced by either her or Nichelle Nichols).
The question about how Spock died is debatable because even when his body died in STII his katra (ie: his soul) was safely tucked away inside Dr. McCoy.
Although I knew that Joan Collins was in an old ep, I could not specifically recall the title of that ep and guessed wrong. ;%
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I also missed the question about 'who was not a member of the Enterprise Crew?' I skipped Matt Decker because I got confused about the character Stephen Collins played in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. His character, who was also named Decker, was the new captain of Enterprise.
Oh well...I actually would have been more disappointed in myself if I had gotten 100%!
And you call yourself a Star Trek fan? Poser!
The film is also currently at 100% over at Rotten Tomatoes - Star Trek at Rotten Tomatoes - though there are only a handful of reviews. It'll be interesting to see how it tracks as more and more non-genre sites start to put up their opinions.
I'm sure the changes the movie makes to established Trek lore and its attempts to be more hip and relevant to today's audiences won't sit well in some circles but I've accepted the fact that Trek had to change if it wanted to survive so I'll be going to see it with an open mind and no expectations. Besides, classic Trek will always be there; Season 1 of the Remastered original series is being released on BluRay Next Week. Setting credit card to charge mode....
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
You know Rogue, as I was writing that I pictured you sitting at your desk...nodding your head negatively.
Like I said, whether this tanks or rockets to success, those old shows and movies will always be with us so there's no need to go all Peter Parker and drown in angst.
Just promise me you won't stage a protest in front of the theater and picket the movie. Those kinds of things never end well
You know, I will never claim to be the world's greatest Trekkie (God knows that there are thousands of geeks out there who could put me to shame) but this rebooting/remaking great classics is getting more than a little fashionable these days...it's outright contagious.
Star Trek was one of those shows that had a tremendous influence on my upbringing; I remember at 9-10 years old playing the parts at recess (I had to be Kirk right down to the mannerisms), I drew my own imaginary comic books on the series and collected the old Gold Key issues and I remember catching the subway into the city, in freezing cold weather of 1979 to see the premiere of ST: The Motion Picture. These silly things were/are a big deal to me... ;%
Now years later J.J. comes along and wants to erase the slate somewhat as if that was the past and it's old news. I'm sorry, man but that's encroachment to me. X-(
Quite frankly, I don't care if the younger generations care for TOS or not; it belonged to us. I introduced the 60s show to my son and taught him how cool it was...key word TAUGHT. Others should do the same...not reboot it. Honestly, the Trekkie in me will more than likely go see it but I won't be in a hurry; I'll probably see a ST marathon that weekend instead. I already know it's not going to be a bust and it sort of saddens me in a weird way.
That doesn't mean that I'm right about this, just honest about it.
There is nothing more awesome than seeing Kirk fight a fake Lizard-Man. Nothing.
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
But let's not kid ourselves. Star Trek is a business. It was created, like any TV show, to make money for its studio. That it evolved into this longstanding cultural phenomenon is a happy but unexpected side effect and anybody who thinks that it was created as some artistic or social statement is being naive.
I don't blame Abrams for essentially rebooting Trek. If you stop to think about it, he really didn't have much of a choice. Rick Berman and his team drove Trek into the ground and turned it into a laughingstock with mainstream audiences. The shows and movies got progressively worse, degenerating into self-indulgent ego-trips for the actors. By the end, it was a really shoddy production that had less and less in common with Roddenberry's original vision and relied far too much on recycled stories, hackneyed technobabble, pro wrestlers guest starring as aliens and gratuitous sex. The Star Trek that Rick Berman was caretaker of is dead and buried and gone. The only version to still remain relevant and viable is that original incarnation. Its the only show that has endured in reruns and the only one that still has any mystique around it. Its no wonder that Abrams went back to it.
How many Sherlock Holmes have there been? How many James Bonds? How many incarnations of Batman and Superman have we gotten? Just as new versions of those characters haven't negated what came before, I don't see how a new Trek with a new Kirk and a new Spock is any different or does any harm to those classic shows. They're still there and always will be there. Paramount isn't shuttering them away, they're actively re-packaging and re-releasing them again, this time on BluRay.
So I really don't get all the angst over this new movie. It isn't the same situation as Bond's reboot for example, where a franchise that was still commercially successful and viable with a lead actor who was still popular and fit was reset. Trek has been dead for 7 years and this is one last stab at bringing it back to life. Worst case scenario: it will suck and Trek will be dead once again, just like it was after Nemesis tanked and Enterprise was cancelled. Best case scenario: it might actually be - heaven forbid - pretty good and maybe even get some people interested in Trek again. Who knows, after they see the movie they may even want to check out some of the original episodes. I don't see any harm in that at all.
Yes there is: seeing Kirk win the day by putting the moves on some alien babe. Sherry Jackson in skintight spandex beats a scaly Gorn anyday.
TOS will always rule...but I'm also a big fan of the TNG television show---their last five seasons can stand tall with the best of TOS, in my book: episodes like "Yesterday's Enterprise," "The Best of Both Worlds," "Cause And Effect," "The Inner Light"---and the series finale, "All Good Things" B-) ---are some of the best television of their era---perhaps all time. Too bad that (aside from First Contact), they couldn't make a quality transition to the big screen.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
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Tony, I honestly do not have a retort for your points because what you've said is all right. However, there are exceptions to the rule: When I think Sherlock Holmes, he'll always be Basil Rathbone to me, when I think James Bond, I will always worship Sean Connery (even though we've been conditioned to a new actor every 5-6 films as the same with Batman) but when I think of Capt. James T. Kirk, there is only SHATNER.
The actor and character are synomynous with one another and that's a great part of what makes this particular series "Above the chaos" of remake/reboot hell. It's a series that I'd hope would be left untouched. I'm just OD'ed on the concept; Hollywood has gotten lazy with coming up with new ideas so they infringe instead.
When are we going to get something fresh like Star Wars was in '77? Indiana Jones? I'm afraid that we won't in this our lifetime.
My feelings may come across as selfish to many and that's fine. But even through your plausible rationality, Tony, a small part of you knows I'm right.
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
You're starting to sound more and more like Sybok from ST V:TFF (You know I'm right!)
I know where you're coming from and my brother shares many of your feelings. I guess I've just gotten a little better at keeping things separate. Shatner will always be Kirk for me as well (Chris Pine has said as much in several interviews as well, if that makes you feel better) and I have the shows and movies whenever I need my fix. But Shatner's pushing 80 and its either this or nothing when it comes to new Trek adventures. Like I said the old cast is either dead or too aged and will not be making any more movies. It's not as if this new cast is stealing work from them or somehow taking food off their table or money out of their wallets so to speak, so I'm not averse to at least giving this new incarnation a look. It'll only cost me $10 and two hours of my life.
Way to go, Spec!!!! {[]
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I'm like you. Patrick McGoohan will always be the Prisoner. I'll watch this new adaptation but my love will always be with McGoohan's portrayal of the character. It's special to me now as it was when I first watched it many years ago. In the same vein, Darren McGavin will always be Kolchak, Robert Conrad will always be James West, Michael Rennie will always be Klatu etc.
Unfortunately these days it's easier for Hollywood to dish out remakes/reboots instead of filming something new and unique.
There is nothing wrong with watching the new Trek film. It's just a film. If I want to watch the "real" Trek all I have to do is pop in my OriginalTrek DVD collection and I'm back to where I was when I first viewed it. Same magic, same awesomeness.
I will await what you guys thought of the film though. I'll more than likely go because of the Trekkie gene in me, just really not in a hurry to.
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
A very good analogy BroLoeff. And a shame, as I know you and I agree that the writing, acting etc. on TNG was unparalleled ( until perhaps the reincarnation of Battlestar Galatica B-) ) in the t.v. sci-fi genre. Ofcourse there can be no comparison between TOS and TNG, as TOS must win out everytime on the cool-o-meter...But funny that like Sir Roger...no respect is given. Huh,... is this what it feels like to be a CBTer ? ?:)
...
Omigod, I've had an epiphany...
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM