Star Trek 2.0

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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited May 2009
    Your Wrong! {:) :))

    A very balanced post Rogue (and your clever allusions to Zero Hour and Hal Jordan were not lost on me), although I can't escape the feeling that you're holding back, trying to be diplomatic and not hurt anyone's feelings but still very much on the verge of going into a beserker rage at any minute. Embrace the other side...become the animal. Oops! Sorry, wrong movie. :))

    I know it can be hard to accept new people in such iconic roles; as I've mentioned many times, the saving grace here is that the original cast are all too old or no longer with us so its not as if the new guys are stealing work from them. And those old TV shows and movies are still with us and ready to be viewed and enjoyed whenever we wish.

    There are some events in the movie that give me pause and it has its share of WTF?? moments. In perusing other boards and reviews, the "boiler room" engineering deck has been almost universally panned. But in spite of all that, at the end of the day I got the impression that the people behind the camera were trying to be respectful to and had genuine affection for the original show. For all that was different, I couldn't help by smile at the end and got choked up by Leonard Nimoy's "I have been and always shall be your friend" scene. I defy you to tell me you weren't moved by that.

    In promoting their own shows and movies, the prior creative team in charge of Trek (Rick Berman & Brannon Braga) really marginalized the original series and did everything possible to draw attention away from it. After the last few turgid, self-indulgent, snoozefests that they put out, it was a treat to see a Trek story that had energy, heart and enthusiasm to it and that the producers actually seemed to care about. Beyond that, I honestly couldn't have asked for much more.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    Late last night, my wife woke me out of my uncontrollable laughter that I wasn't aware of. Apparently I had left the television on,as I usually do at bedtime, and somehow the content of what was airing subconsciously seeped into my dream. Upon sitting up in bed and gathering my bearings I looked at the screen and this was on:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avTfiRccYIA&feature=related

    Of course in the dream, I was there next to Bones LMAO as to what was transpiring before us, unable to stay in character...

    I was even wearing a red shirt which is never a good sign with the ST mythos. :))
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited June 2009
    First you dream about Wonder Woman tying you up and now this (and let's not bring up that Catwoman piece you were...ahem...commissioned...to do). You're beginning to worry me Rogue.

    There were some real turkeys in that third season; watching that clip was physically painful. And the canon-frenzied fanboys give the new movie a hard time. 8-)
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    First you dream about Wonder Woman tying you up and now this (and let's not bring up that Catwoman piece you were...ahem...commissioned...to do). You're beginning to worry me Rogue.

    Yeah, I probably need professional help. :))
    There were some real turkeys in that third season; watching that clip was physically painful. And the canon-frenzied fanboys give the new movie a hard time. 8-)
    I hadn't seen that episode in a long while; it's funny what can trigger the mind so rapidly to its unintentional hilarity when you're asleep. It's just so hard to take that particular ep seriously, even when I first saw it in my youth I remember cringing.

    How many takes did you think it took before the cast actually got it done with a straight face? And what was going through Nimoy's mind during this sequence? "WTF am I doing here? " :))

    "How can you let this go on?" Friggin' priceless! :)) :)) :))
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited June 2009
    There are a few episodes of Trek that I absolutely refuse to watch. Plato's Stepchildren is near the top. And The Children Shall Lead and Turnabout Intruder rank high (or low, depending on your POV) as well.

    I really doubt Shatner minded all that much; as the years wear on his many shenanigans show me more and more that he's the kind of guy who has no problem humiliating himself as long as the spotlight is firmly on him.

    Nimoy on the other hand was probably mortified at having to do those scenes. He always fancied himself a more serious artiste and I'm sure chestnuts like that probably didn't sit well with him. Its no wonder he practically disowned the character in the 70s.

    BTW, there's a rumor that the new Trek movie will be released on DVD and BluRay at the end of October. Season 2 of the remastered original series will supposedly also be released on that same date.

    The new movie has now made almost $340 million worldwide and it continues to have legs here in the USA where its been in the top 5 for over a month, outperforming other summer blockbusters including Wolverine, Terminator: Salvation and Angels & Demons. A $250 million domestic gross is still within its grasp and with a little luck it could top out around $400 worldwide by the time it finishes its run. Pretty amazing numbers considering the last movie, Nemesis, only made around $67 million worldwide. Supposedly, a sequel has been greenlit for a summer 2011 release and the writers are already informally banging around ideas.
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    No love for "Plato's Stepchildren" or "Turnabout Intruder"?? WTF!? :D Camp classics!

    The only episodes I will not watch are, "And The Children Shall Lead", (even with Bill Mummy from TZ) and, cringe, "The Way To Eden" Those damn Space Hippies and their singalongs!!

    That's "Hippies," not "Herpes" *


    * (Ice Pirates reference. For those that were there)
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    Alex wrote:
    No love for "Plato's Stepchildren" or "Turnabout Intruder"?? WTF!? :D Camp classics!

    When Parmen delivers that line with such pity next to Bones WTF expression, I just lose it every time.


    "How can you let this go on?" :)) :)) :)) :))

    I would love to just see the outtakes for that one.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    BTW watching tv late at night can interrupt your sleep patterns, 'research' shows, like having an expresso. I think it's to do with watching people, it wakens you up, unlike reading a book.
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited June 2009
    Alex wrote:
    No love for "Plato's Stepchildren" or "Turnabout Intruder"?? WTF!? :D Camp classics!

    The only episodes I will not watch are, "And The Children Shall Lead", (even with Bill Mummy from TZ) and, cringe, "The Way To Eden" Those damn Space Hippies and their singalongs!!

    That's "Hippies," not "Herpes" *


    * (Ice Pirates reference. For those that were there)


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    Stiff man puttin' my mind in jail. Judge banged the gavel and said no bail. Gonna lick his hand and waaaaaaaag my tail. Herbert! Herbert! Herbert!

    You're making me cry Herbert, Way to Eden is camp nirvana. And the chicks are just too groovy. Do you reach me brother?
  • SpectreIslandSpectreIsland spectreislandPosts: 274MI6 Agent
    edited June 2009
    Bill Mumy was not in "And The Children Will Lead" He wasn't in Original Star Trek at all. I think you may be thinking of Lost in Space. He was, however, I believe in DS9.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
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    Stiff man puttin' my mind in jail. Judge banged the gavel and said no bail. Gonna lick his hand and waaaaaaaag my tail. Herbert! Herbert! Herbert!
    Y'know, I'm kind of glad that I don't remember this one but it does remind me of the hippie episode from the Beverly Hillbillies when Jethro was acting out Robin Hood... :))


    Hippies and the 60s; what show didn't exploit this at the time?
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  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    I'm not much of a Trekkie I'm afraid, with the exception of the mighty Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. In fact anybody who learns Klingon or ever watched Enterprise should be sent to Guantanamo Bay. I like JJ Abrams, but this was nonsense and I'm mystified at the acclaim that's been heaped upon it.
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited June 2009
    John Drake wrote:
    I'm not much of a Trekkie I'm afraid, with the exception of the mighty Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. In fact anybody who learns Klingon or ever watched Enterprise should be sent to Guantanamo Bay. I like JJ Abrams, but this was nonsense and I'm mystified at the acclaim that's been heaped upon it.

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    DRAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!!


    Speaking of Star Trek, William Shatner caused a minor stir during his appearance on The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien last week. After a somewhat bizarre and rambling interview, Shatner flipped Conan the bird after being repeatedly needled about not being able to perform the Vulcan salute. Shatner and Conan have a history of bizarre interviews and skits, though a lot of news and show biz sites like Entertainment Weekly seemed to be taken aback by this one. Was it for real? Was it all planned? Was it Shatner having a laugh at everyone's expense (he has a noted off-beat sense of humor)? You decide...

    Shatner on Conan
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    That was great, Tony - thanks for sharing. There are few people I enjoy watching more than Shatner.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Tony, I think it was completely staged, or alternatively Shatner meant it as a joke and Conan played along. The entire interview was quite weird with Shatner channeling Denny Crane (Boston Legal) in some respects, while Conan's reaction was so OTT that I really doubt it was serious. If it was serious, and Conan didn't treat it as a joke, then he (Conan) really made a fool of himself IMO. I mean, yes, receiving the bird isn't great but from the way Conan reacted, it was almost as if Shatner did something much more disgusting. So, as I said, I don't think it was serious. I certainly hope it wasn't.

    On a side-note, this interview shows why IMO Dave will always be the best interviewer and the Late Show the best variety/entertainment show on American late-night television. :D
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    Uh-oh, Dan. Another disagreement:
    Dave is horrible.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Uh-oh, Dan. Another disagreement:
    Dave is horrible.
    Why would you use such violent language against him? :#
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    He's just not funny, often to the point of being an insufferable jerk.
    I'm not saying that the others are that great - Leno isn't funny either. But I've got no respect for Dave.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    He's just not funny, often to the point of being an insufferable jerk.
    I'm not saying that the others are that great - Leno isn't funny either. But I've got no respect for Dave.

    Letterman used to be the funniest guy on late night television. Sadly, he's become a bitter old shadow of himself.

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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    He's just not funny, often to the point of being an insufferable jerk.
    I'm not saying that the others are that great - Leno isn't funny either. But I've got no respect for Dave.
    I love Dave. I think he is an example of someone whom you either love or hate; as his humour is quite distinct. But I love his wisecracks, I think his political humour is often quite intelligent and I think he's a very underrated interviewer. I much prefer him to Leno and the like, although to be honest, I don't watch Dave nearly as much as I used to.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited June 2009
    That was great, Tony - thanks for sharing. There are few people I enjoy watching more than Shatner.

    Glad you enjoyed it Night; though I must confess that its become more and more disconcerting to me to see how much Shatner has changed over the years. Unlike Nimoy, who I can still map to the actor from the 60s, Shatner seems almost like a completely different person these days, both physically and in terms of his public persona.

    Dan Same wrote:
    He's just not funny, often to the point of being an insufferable jerk.
    I'm not saying that the others are that great - Leno isn't funny either. But I've got no respect for Dave.
    I love Dave. I think he is an example of someone whom you either love or hate; as his humour is quite distinct. But I love his wisecracks, I think his political humour is often quite intelligent and I think he's a very underrated interviewer. I much prefer him to Leno and the like, although to be honest, I don't watch Dave nearly as much as I used to.

    Not sure how we got from Trek to Late Night Talk Shows, but what the heck, I'll throw my two cents in...

    To sort of echo what Loeffs said, the Dave Letterman of today is really but a pale shadow of the man who used to host Late Night on NBC. He was never the greatest interviewer but his shows back then were far more daring, with some really innovative (and often irreverent) humor and some very cool guest musicians. These days, he really does phone it in most of the time and doesn't take nearly as many chances or go to the extremes he used to (who can forget his "Fun With Velcro" skits). Even Paul Shaeffer's musical group has degenerated from "The World's Most Dangerous Band" to a pretty forgettable collection of studio musicians.

    These days all the late night talk shows have evolved into a pretty typical formula: opening monologue, quick interview #1, comedy sketch, quick interview #2, musical guest, roll credits. The interviews themselves are often little more than plugs for the guest's latest movie or other project. Of the three (Dave, Conan and Leno), none really have the interviewing skills of Johnny Carson or his predecessor Jack Paar, who in their heydays really had a knack for conversation and pulling interesting stuff out of the guests.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited June 2009
    I've never seen Carson, apart from the odd clip, so I can't comment on him. In terms of interviewing, however, while I don't think that Dave (and Leno and Conan) is a great interviewer, I very much like his conversational style, which can actually get rather interrogative. As an example of this, see some of his political interviews or his interview with Bill O' Reilly.

    In Australia, we don't really have an *equivalent, although the late Graham Kennedy would have dominated television in any country; he was simply awesome. :D Similarly, Bert Newton (who once got on the bad side of Muhammad Ali) would also have thrived in any country. Kennedy, and Newton who was his off-sider as well as that of Don Lane, ran an entertainment/variety show which was more skit and advertising based than interviewing based. Lane, BTW, who ran a show more in the tradition of the American shows, is in fact formerly American.

    *Rove, who has appeared on Jay Lenno, runs the one current Australian show that could be compared to the American late-night shows, albeit in an earlier timeslot.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    :# I could think of seven billion other things I'd rather be doing then viewing a conversation with modern day Letterman and Bill frickin' O'Reilly.

    I remember when he had Mel Blanc on. Dave actually looked irritated because Blanc was doing the voices. Seriously, if you invite a legend on the show, you shut up and you let him do his thing. Show some respect to the man!

    Johnny Carson is unbeatable. -{
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited June 2009
    Unfortunately, that's classic Letterman. If the guest or subject matter at hand isn't interesting to him, he goes into "snarky" mode, trying to get a laugh at the expense of the guest rather than with him or her.

    Now, bringing this back on topic...have you seen the new movie Alex?
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Alex wrote:
    :# I could think of seven billion other things I'd rather be doing then viewing a conversation with modern day Letterman and Bill frickin' O'Reilly.

    The last time O'Reilly was on, he cleaned Dave's clock :))

    Anybody know when Star Trek is forecast for DVD release?
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    Anybody know when Star Trek is forecast for DVD release?

    Current rumors point to a late October / early November release with October 27, 2009 as a date that keeps popping up.

    The movie continues to show strong legs at the box office; it made $5.5 million this past weekend, which is actually more than it made the prior weekend (a very rare feat), and that may impact its eventual release home video release slightly as well.
  • clumclum Santa Cruz, CAPosts: 63MI6 Agent
    i'll be buying the DVD! -{

    cool image
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    http://www.cinefex.com/backissues/issue118.html
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited June 2009
    Nice image Clum; that's from the cover of the July issue Cinefex, a really great magazine about how special effects in modern films are created. The magazine has lots of in depth, technical info and lots of photos that you don't see anywhere else. At $12.50 per issue, its a little on the pricey side, but well worth it if you're a movie and effects buff. The July issue comes out tomorrow will have an in depth article on the effects of the new Trek movie, as well as articles on several other summer movies including Terminator: Salvation and Wolverine. Highly recommended.

    As for my brother and me, the new movie has really rekindled our love of the old show, so much so that we finally decided to pull the trigger on a collectible we'd been chasing for a long time. Back in the early 90s, the QVC shopping network offered a series of plaques signed by the entire original cast. Seeing as DeForest Kelley and James Doohan are no longer with us, its caused the value of the piece to really go up in recent years. When my brother saw one on Ebay recently, he called me in a panic wondering if we should take the plunge. Before he was able to talk himself out of it, I signed in and purchased it outright. It set us back almost eight C-notes, but for a couple of diehard Trekkies, it was worth it. Have a look and click on the thumbnail for a larger version...

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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    That's pretty f-ing cool, Tony. I'll likely never have anything like that. Good for you -{
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited June 2009
    That's pretty f-ing cool, Tony. I'll likely never have anything like that. Good for you -{

    Thanks Loeffs. It'll be a while before we pay that one off but a pic autographed by the full cast has become quite rare and they just don't show up that often anymore. I was really afraid that someone else would beat us to it so that's why we got a little ambitious with this one and didn't try to haggle. We never had DeForest Kelley's autograph in any form and seeing as his alone can command up to $300 these days, the price for the plaque as a whole wasn't completely outrageous. Star Trek has always been a pretty big part of our lives, so we see this as sort of our special memento of that great show. And besides, with apologies to Blofeld, you only live once.



    BTW, check out this article from Trekmovie.com for info on the contents and expected release date of the DVD/BluRay. Looks like there will be lots of goodies on this one including some very interesting deleted scenes and even a blooper reel.

    Go here: Info on Star Trek 2009 on DVD and BluRay
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