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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    TonyDP wrote:
    The first spy shots of Quinto as Spock have already started to pop up. Click on the link if you're curious; looking very good to me.


    http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2007/11/12/exclusive-quinto-as-young-spock/


    Looks okay I guess...sorry but I really can't see anyone else playing Spock besides Nimoy so it's hard to get amped about something like this. I'm really not trying to be negative, I hope that the film does well and then a part of me doesn't want it to.

    Some loser playing Kirk too... no Shatner cameo... :#

    For a guy who's not trying to be negative ... :))

    I hear some of what you're saying Rogue. But the way I see it, most of Trek for the last 15 years has been pretty forgettale. The TNG movies uniformly sucked, and Enterprise was a pathetic excuse of a show. So, while I'd prefer going forward I kind of understand why they're going back to TOS: it's turned out to be the only version of Trek to really have legs.

    I won't pass judgment on anybody until I see some clips - the least I can do is give them the benefit of the doubt. For what it's worth, I like most of the cast announced so far (Pegg and Cho being the two big question marks for me).

    As for Shatner, I'm bummed as well (although there's still a chance he'll be there). But I temper my disappointment with the knowledge that, at the end of the day, he has no one to blame but himself. Star Trek: Generations was a turd of a movie and he should not have participated in it. Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley both walked away; Shatner should have done the same, but he didn't. He got greedy, took the paycheck, and allowed one of my childhood heros to be killed off. Badly. He gets no free ride from me after that.

    So, if this new Trek movie washes away the bad taste of what has passed for Star Trek over the past decade, I'm willing to meet them halfway.

    Just my two cents.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    So now we've got Sarek in it as well? Oh dear. Is this film actually going to have a plot or just a line of actors in costume telling the audience which character they are and which 60's episode their character appeared in, taking a bow and then exiting?

    I hope it's good, but the fanwank alarms are going off in my head. Plus, now with Abrams saying that he thought of a great line to use in a scene but couldn't because 'that would be writing'... my expectations sink ever lower.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    Yeah, guess you have a point, Tony.

    You may not believe this but I've never given Star Trek: TNG a chance? Never. And what's that now? 20 years old or so?
    And I'm a Trekkie of sorts but my alliegence stops at the original series. I love the shows, I read the paperback novels & Gold Key comics when I was a kid...

    I'll more than likely go and see this so I might warm up to it...then when I look at the cast and see the guy from PATHFINDER playing "Bones" McCoy...I have to question this... :s


    Really bad choice! X-(

    And since this has a "Begins" type formula, is Finnegan going to be in it? Will he take a swing at Kirk and run? :D

    Afterall, they were in the academy together.
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Yeah, guess you have a point, Tony.

    You may not believe this but I've never given Star Trek: TNG a chance? Never. And what's that now? 20 years old or so?
    And I'm a Trekkie of sorts but my alliegence stops at the original series. I love the shows, I read the paperback novels & Gold Key comics when I was a kid...

    I'm a TOS fan myself. I've seen all the other series and they uniformly leave me cold. If this next movie undid all the continuity after the last movie with the original cast I wouldn't mind a bit or bat an eyelash.
    I'll more than likely go and see this so I might warm up to it...then when I look at the cast and see the guy from PATHFINDER playing "Bones" McCoy...I have to question this... :s


    Really bad choice! X-(

    Actually, Karl Urban has always struck me as something of a chameleon. You see him in Chronicles of Riddick, Doom, LotR, Bourne, etc. and he always looks different. I've seen photos of him on some of the Trek websites where he bears an uncanny resemblance to a young DeForest Kelley; so who knows, he may yet surprise you.
    And since this has a "Begins" type formula, is Finnegan going to be in it? Will he take a swing at Kirk and run? :D

    Afterall, they were in the academy together.

    And don't forget Gary Mitchell as well. Don't know what will become of those characters, especially Mitchell as he and Kirk were so close according to the pilot. Like I said, TOS is my favorite era of Trek so I'll give these guys the benefit of the doubt for now.

    Wow, who would have thought that I would be the optimistic one in this crowd? :))
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    Finnegan! {[]


    I wish that I could find the entire altercation. Good fun. B-)


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=DkxsxL-Z8Tk
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Finnegan! {[]


    I wish that I could find the entire altercation. Good fun. B-)


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=DkxsxL-Z8Tk

    "Can you feel that now, Jimmy boy?" :))

    BTW Rogue, you were lamenting the fact that Shatner doesn't even get a cameo in the new movie. Just for the record, he's publicly said that he isn't interested in just doing a cameo. He wants a substantial part in the movie. I really think it's his ego, more than anything else, that's going to prevent him from being in the movie. Based on his comments he looks like he wants to be the center of attention and that's just not a realistic expectation anymore.

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they'll still be able to work him into it somehow; it'll be tough though. It took two movies to bring Spock back after he was killed off in Trek II and it's just not realistic to expect the movie to turn into Star Trek XI: The Search for Kirk. For better or worse the film's mandate is to reignite the franchise, not undo the damage done in past movies. The torch has been passed to a new set of actors and they will be the focus of the film.

    Also, salvaging the character of James Tiberius Kirk from his inglorious demise in Generations is far more important to me than paying lip service to William Shatner, if you catch my meaning. It would be great to have a scene with Shatner at the end to undo the events of Generations but, since the producers are going forward with this reboot/reimagining/revisiting, it's important to try to keep the characters separated from the actors who play them.

    I think I'm starting to babble so I'll just cut it off here. :s
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    For better or worse the film's mandate is to reignite the franchise, not undo the damage done in past movies. The torch has been passed to a new set of actors and they will be the focus of the film.

    Also, salvaging the character of James Tiberius Kirk from his inglorious demise in Generations is far more important to me than paying lip service to William Shatner, if you catch my meaning.

    And yet they still want to clutter it up with every other bleedin' character that's ever been in Star Trek and confuse it with Nimoy being there. It's beginning to sound a real mess, so they may as well chuck the Shat in there and make it a fun mess.
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    I'm starting to wish they would chuck Nimoy as well. More and more the film is sounding like some wierd Star Trek *******ization, with no real connection to the series. The Star Trek franchise has always relied on tenuous connections between the different series - various cameos to try and convince others that the are indeed watching Star Trek (DeForest Kelly and Leonard Nimoy in TNG, Takei in Voyager, the Trouble with Tribbles tie-in with DS9, etc.)

    Without the original characters/actors, the shows are lost. As much as I understand the decision to not include Shatner, I think having the original Kirk play a more substantial role is the only thing that can elevate this movie to a genuine Star Trek film.

    I suspect the animated series is going to have more canonical gravitas than this flick.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    But... it's full of the original characters. And there's an original actor in there too (although I really don't think there should be)- I don't really understand why it won't be a 'real' Star Trek film? I think they'd be much better off cutting as many ties to the old continuity as possible; or at least not feeling that they have to mention it, or feel they need Nimoy to explain anything. When you feel you have to explain why the spaceship looks a bit snazzier than it used to, I think you've forgotten the point. Look at the new Dr Who- an update and continuation from the old Dr Who series, but to start with they kept the continuity mentions to the bare minimum to make the most of the things that made the series good. What made Star Trek good certainly isn't the story of how Kirk's parents and Spock's parents came to choose the wallpapers on their kids' nurseries or how Captain Pike passed his space driving test or whatever.
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    I agree, the Doctor Who example is spot on. Unfortunately, it seems the writers want to replace the heart of Trek with some sort of analytical archive and show us the lads from peach fuzz to spacefleet to service, so the fans can mark it on their historical timelines.

    Chemistry between the new cast will be the deciding factor for me.
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    Alex wrote:
    Chemistry between the new cast will be the deciding factor for me.

    Agreed. Chemistry (or lack thereof) will probably make or break this film.

    As to the apparent large number of secondary characters, I wouldn't be surprised if their screen time is minimal. I remember much being made of Jane Wyatt reprising her role as Spock's mother in Star Trek IV. In the end, she had just one scene that added up to about 2 minutes of screen time. For people not familiar with Trek, the scene simply advanced the story; for fans of the show, it was a nice little moment. I wouldn't be suprised in the appearances of Kirk's and Spock's parents and even Pike follow that model as well.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    A cameo from the classic series that seems like a rather nice touch:

    http://trekmovie.com/2007/11/24/famous-location-to-appear-in-new-star-trek-movie/
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited January 2008
    A teaser trailer for the new Star Trek movie will be appearing in front of the new monster movie Cloverfield; it will also be available for download starting January 21. Here's a link to the first official pic of the USS Enterprise, apparently under construction, from the new teaser.


    http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/star-trek-uss-enterprise-b.gif


    The teaser is said to show the Enterprise being partially assembled on Earth. As expected, it looks pretty much like the classic design, albeit with more detail and a more metallic finish. The nacelles look larger and slightly different though it may just be the angle the photo was taken from. Overall, it harkens back to the design from Star Trek: The Motion Picture and that's fine by me as I loved the look of that movie.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited January 2008
    TonyDP wrote:
    A teaser trailer for the new Star Trek movie will be appearing in front of the new monster movie Cloverfield; it will also be available for download starting January 21. Here's a link to the first official pic of the USS Enterprise, apparently under construction, from the new teaser.


    http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/star-trek-uss-enterprise-b.gif


    The teaser is said to show the Enterprise being partially assembled on Earth. As expected, it looks pretty much like the classic design, albeit with more detail and a more metallic finish. The nacelles look larger and slightly different though it may just be the angle the photo was taken from. Overall, it harkens back to the design from Star Trek: The Motion Picture and that's fine by me as I loved the look of that movie.


    Okay...I'll admit I shivered at the sight of that but it's not enough...I'll wait to see the teaser. In the meantime... *see sig* 8-)

    Tony, do you remember when ST:TMP first came out, they were selling those skeletonized Enterprise map posters in the theatre lobbies? Did you get one?

    I still have mine rolled in it's original plastic. B-)
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Okay...I'll admit I shivered at the sight of that but it's not enough...I'll wait to see the teaser. In the meantime... *see sig* 8-)

    That photo really got me stoked. Star Trek has always been very important to me, far more than even James Bond, so I'm understandably anxious to see more. I know its way early but I'm trying to be positive about this one. I'm curious, excited and really looking forward to it.
    Tony, do you remember when ST:TMP first came out, they were selling those skeletonized Enterprise map posters in the theatre lobbies? Did you get one?

    I still have mine rolled in it's original plastic. B-)

    You mean this one? I bought it twice and might still have one in a frame down in my basement somewhere.

    kimble_star_trek_enterprise_sm.jpeg
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited January 2008
    TonyDP wrote:
    You mean this one? I bought it twice and might still have one in a frame down in my basement somewhere.

    kimble_star_trek_enterprise_sm.jpeg

    That's the one. Man...those were the days. How this escaped my mother's cleaning wrath is beyond me but it's still intact after all these years. :)
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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited January 2008
    Okay, AJB, here's a bootleg teaser for the new Trek movie:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RllSZW_YLk8

    It looks good. I hope you can see it before YouTube takes it down. B-)
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  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,901Chief of Staff
    I managed to catch it. Shivers indeed--mainly for the sound of the old transporter, Nimoy's voice intoning "Space, the final frontier. . .," and the image of the classic command badge. I'm still a little suspicious of this project, but maybe J. J. Abrams's heart is in the right place.
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited January 2008
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Okay, AJB, here's a bootleg teaser for the new Trek movie:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RllSZW_YLk8

    It looks good. I hope you can see it before YouTube takes it down. B-)

    Thank for the link Rogue. The old Trek fanfare and that transporter sound still get me pumped every time. And it's cool to hear Spock's voice again. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that JJ will be able to do justice to the old show; he sure can't do any worse than the past few efforts.

    High res versions of the official teaser should appear on Paramount's official website starting January 21. Here's the link...


    http://www.paramount.com/startrek/
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    I'll give them credit for putting together a nice trailer. But I'm still not committing to see this movie in the theaters...yet.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Okay, AJB, here's a bootleg teaser for the new Trek movie:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RllSZW_YLk8

    It looks good. I hope you can see it before YouTube takes it down. B-)

    :o

    If that one doesn't get your heart going...see a doctor B-)

    Thanks, Rogue {[] I needed that...
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  • Agent_MAgent_M lost in the speed forcePosts: 353MI6 Agent
    the trailer is now up at paramount.com but I could'nt get it to work but if you go to empire online its also up there.
    Man, hearing those words still sends shivers up my spine
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    Nice to be able to see the shots of the ship in construction with the proper version! :)
    Fun, but not all that exciting, really.
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    Agent_M wrote:
    the trailer is now up at paramount.com but I could'nt get it to work but if you go to empire online its also up there.
    Man, hearing those words still sends shivers up my spine

    You can see a lot more detail in the Quicktime HD versions like spinning sections inside the nacelles. The primary hull also looks a lot like the one from Star Trek: The Motion Picture. I have a feeling that none of this footage will actually be in the movie and that it's more of a promo teaser ala the Terminator 3 or Dark Knight teasers. But for this long time Trek fan it's still very exciting to see. If nothing else, the Enterprise will definitely have some mass to it this time around. Now if only I can see some pics of the cast in uniform...
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Exciting stuff...an exciting time to be a Trek fan from the 'old school' :)

    I think the ship will be fine...and I hope they can somehow approximate the lightning strike they scored when assembling the original crew back in the Sixties (though it's quite a tall order)...but either way, they're going to get my ticket money on Christmas Day B-)
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    I have a feeling that none of this footage will actually be in the movie and that it's more of a promo teaser ala the Terminator 3 or Dark Knight teasers.

    Well, it'd be hard to see where it would fit in comfortably if Pike is going to be handing over the keys to the (already a few years old) Enterprise in the film. Perhaps we might see the young boy Kirk wandering past the shipyards and telling his daddy that one day that ship will be his? ;)
    But yeah, teaser only I'd say. Apparently they've even said that they got the idea from a bit of fan art which had the Enterprise pasted into a real shipyard where they build battleships and the like.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    The primary hull also looks a lot like the one from Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

    Could be; hard to say really- but I'd certainly prefer it if it leant more towards that version: the best Enterprise there's been, I'd say.
    It's definitely not a recreation of the TV series one- one can tell that from the font 'Enterprise' is written in alone! :) Good news, I'd say- no need to feel completely penned in by every detail of what some people did forty-odd years ago.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited January 2008
    I think it would be cool to see the ship as a kind of 'through-line' device in the picture---that is, as a sort of character: we see brief sequences of her construction, a bit of Pike and her in action together in Act 1, and the transition to Kirk and Co. as the plot point which takes us into Act 2...

    My brother has heard that
    The Enterprise will be somehow connected with the legendary 'Area 51' site---perhaps even to the extent that components of it are built there, for whatever reason...

    If so, a bit of tweaking with the mythos...I always enjoyed the fictional 'history' of Picard's Enterprise D having been assembled at the Utopia Planitia orbiting shipyard above Mars... B-)
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    I think it would be cool to see the ship as a kind of 'through-line' device in the picture---that is, as a sort of character: we see brief sequences of her construction, a bit of Pike and her in action together in Act 1, and the transition to Kirk and Co. as the plot point which takes us into Act 2...

    That is a nice idea.
    My brother has heard that
    The Enterprise will be somehow connected with the legendary 'Area 51' site---perhaps even to the extent that components of it are built there, for whatever reason...

    I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere else and it's been dismissed a bit- but I suppose we won't know until we see it!
    I always enjoyed the fictional 'history' of Picard's Enterprise D having been assembled at the Utopia Planitia orbiting shipyard above Mars... B-)

    Apparently there's been a little consternation at the idea of it being constructed on Earth, but also many say that it had never been established that it hadn't: apparently the original Shatnerprise (ooh I like that! :) ) had a little plaque on the bridge with 'San Francisco' written on it, which would seem to point to having been there, if not being built there, at some point. Doesn't seem unreasonable.
    Of course, quite how they got it up to space is another matter... ;)
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited January 2008
    Looks like the new Star Trek movie is also embracing the viral site thing. If you go to www.ncc-1701.com you can get three "virtual cameras" going which show work proceeding on the construction of the Enterprise. One of the cameras appears to be out of order, but if you wait a while, the following image eventually appears...

    1701camC.jpg

    ... a brief glimpse at the corridors from the starship perhaps? If yes, again it's very reminiscent of what we got in the first movie.

    Also, there are some fairly high-res vidcaps from the teaser here...

    http://trekmovie.com/images/sttease/sttease_01.jpg

    http://trekmovie.com/images/sttease/sttease_02.jpg

    http://trekmovie.com/images/sttease/sttease_03.jpg

    http://trekmovie.com/images/sttease/sttease_04.jpg

    http://trekmovie.com/images/sttease/sttease_05.jpg

    http://trekmovie.com/images/sttease/sttease_06.jpg

    ... and one fan has already used the relative sizes of the people scurrying about the ship to calculate that the new Starship Enterprise will be about 800 meters in length! Very enterprising fan there (pardon the pun).

    And lastly, for anyone who cares, here's the fan-made image that inspired the teaser. This has been floating around the net for a few years and the writers of the movie have said they were inspired by it when coming up with the trailer.

    entyard.jpg
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