They definitely aren't on the DVD's that Paramount released. Since they were commissioned by the SciFi Channel, I'm inclined to think that they're not available anywhere else. I'd hold on to them if I were you, and maybe even burn them onto a DVD.
I was an idiot then, recording 8 episodes on a single cassette in SLP mode, I'm not sure what quality the transfers would be. Tapes still OK though.
There were some great bits like Sherry Jackson reminiscing on Shatner's kissing method, Michael Forrest's Apollo persona, and good old William Campbell, a natural storyteller, to name but a few. Rarely had I ever been glued to tv as during that run.
I should feel ashamed to say this but even though I'm going to see this because I'm a curious 60s Trekkie, I kinda want it to bomb but at the same time I want it to be good...
Abrams is good at what he does but at the same time, he's such a tool on this. That is not Kirk! Why not recreate the Picard generation and leave the 60s one alone!! X-(
Because that's Star Trek; everything else is just Star Trek: Another Series. You don't get James Bond: The Next Generation and have a woman 00 a hundred years in the future. Kirk and Spock are the stars of Star Trek. I think they're quite right to do it this way. Whether or not they carry it off is another matter.
Again, what's up with the model shirt he's wearing? Where's his insignia? The rank stripes? Who does he think he is? Lloyd Bridges? ?:)
I think he's been stripped of them because he's A Very Naughty Boy. I have a feeling that Pike will be the captain of the Enterprise at the beginning and end of this movie.
With respect (and this is an old retort)...he is Kirk now. The only question is: Will he succeed?
My answer: I hope not. X-(
Hater! {:) )
Given that none of us have never seen this guy in anything, I really don't think his casting warrants that level of vitriol at this time. Lots of people - including comic and sci-fi geek Kevin Smith have seen his work in Trek and they've uniformly praised him. If he sucks, he sucks, but at least wait to see a clip and some actual dialog before raking him over the coals.
Again, what's up with the model shirt he's wearing? Where's his insignia? The rank stripes? Who does he think he is? Lloyd Bridges? ?:)
The question has been raised on several forums. According to the writers, there's a reason he wears a different shirt from everyone else and by the end of the film he will be in the familiar gold jersey.
I should feel ashamed to say this but even though I'm going to see this because I'm a curious 60s Trekkie, I kinda want it to bomb but at the same time I want it to be good...
If it bombs, that will be the end of Trek; we'll either get nothing at all or, even worse, some el-cheapo made for the SciFi Channel movies where the engine room of the Enterprise looks like a boiler room full of steaming pipes.
That is not Kirk! Why not recreate the Picard generation and leave the 60s one alone!! X-(
Sorry for that rant. I just hold Shatner & Co. in such high regard.
So do I. But personally, as the years have worn on, I find myself drawing a line between Captain Kirk and William Shatner more and more. The way I see it, Shatner took a massive dump on the character when he agreed to have him killed off in Generations. With that cynical, greedy, selfish act he basically showed that he never really cared for the character - or Trek - and forfeited any ownership of him. He saw him as a paycheck, why else would he agree to be in that turd of a movie and allow himself to be offed like that. I know that's a radical view, but that's the way I feel. When Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley were given the chance to participate in Generations, the looked at the script, realized it was poor, and said "No, thanks". They showed integrity and a respect for their characters, something that was completely beyond Shatner.
I love those old shows and the first six movies. But those actors are all dead or aged. There will be no more movies with the original cast and none of the subsequent shows had any long term staying power. Even Next Generation had only a couple of moderate movie successes before bottoming out with Insurrection and Nemesis, turning the 24th Century into a bottomless pit of political correctness, technobabble and self-indulgent storylines. Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise never really developed any critical mass and are all largely forgotten (are they even on TV anymore?). History has shown that the original series is the only one with any legs and that's why Paramount went back to that iteration.
Many different people have worn James Bond's tux, Sherlock Holmes' deerstalker and Batman's cowl. I'm perfectly willing to let someone else take a shot at these characters too.
If he sucks, he sucks, but at least wait to see a clip and some actual dialog before raking him over the coals.
Wouldn't it have been nice if the same sort of thing had been said about Daniel Craig three years ago...?
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Ok, Tony, you've made me mad (Not really, ) ). Shatner is the man, and he IS Kirk, Generations or not. And don't give me "Nimoy looked at the script and said no because he has integrity" b.s., you know what he spends his time doing instead? He photographs naked women in prayer shawls. 8-) please...
As for the new guy, I agree with RA that he is a bit too pretty boy for my liking, and NOBODY will ever be Shatner. However, the rest of the cast looks pretty strong - especially the guy playing Spock - dead-ringer for Nimoy.
Also, what happened to Nimoy showing up in the film? Anything happen about that (that maybe I missed)?
Ok, Tony, you've made me mad (Not really, ) ). Shatner is the man, and he IS Kirk, Generations or not. And don't give me "Nimoy looked at the script and said no because he has integrity" b.s., you know what he spends his time doing instead? He photographs naked women in prayer shawls. 8-) please...
Setting phaser to kill... )
Don't get me wrong Night, I love the Shatman, but the original Star Trek was an indelible part of my childhood and formative years. I learned to speak English watching that show. I developed a strong and lasting interest of science and astronomy because of that show. I even decided to make computer science my profession because of that show. Some of my earliest childhood memories are of Trek and it really played a major role in helping me to adjust when my family moved to America. So when Kirk was killed off, and so unceremoniously to boot, I'm not exaggerating when I say that I was deeply affected it. One of my childhood heroes who helped me to adjust to life in a new world was reduced to a bit part and dropped off a cliff. It was a cheap stunt, dreamed up by the powers that be to cement Next Generation as the de-facto Trek standard going forward, and Shatner went along with it. So please forgive me if I carry just a little bit of a grudge against Shatner for being an accessory to that unfortunate event.
As for Nimoy, Robert Mapplethorpe took photos of naked children and today they call it art; viewed from that perspective, Nimoy's efforts are no less valid.
Also, what happened to Nimoy showing up in the film? Anything happen about that (that maybe I missed)?
He is in the film and looks to play a significant part. They haven't shown any photos of him yet and I'm not surprised. I have a feeling he'll be the last image shown in the trailer and we probably won't see him before then.
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As for Nimoy, Robert Mapplethorpe took photos of naked children and today they call it art; viewed from that perspective, Nimoy's efforts are no less valid.
That's a pretty ridiculous perspective, don't you think? )
I understand you being upset by Kirk's fate and all, but I think that is a silly reason to separate Shatner from Kirk. Nobody could have made Kirk as great as the Shatman. In my mind, they are one in the same.
That's cool about Nimoy - I was upset that they wouldn't let Shatner have a part, but I guess it could've been too hammy.
As for Nimoy, Robert Mapplethorpe took photos of naked children and today they call it art; viewed from that perspective, Nimoy's efforts are no less valid.
That's a pretty ridiculous perspective, don't you think? )
I don't see why it would be, but let's just agree to disagree.
For comic book fans, the writers of the new Star Trek movie will be doing a 4 issue comic series which provides a backstory for Nero and Mr. Spock; it also serves to tie the new movie to the Next Generation era, where Spock was last seen working towards Vulcan-Romulan reunification.
I fail to see what Nimoy's surrealistic photography has to do with his integrity. So showcasing the beauty of the classic women's form somehow equates a lack of it? Tell that to the ancient world.
Shatner's appreciation and take on his Kirk alter ego and Trek in general is convoluted. Read his book "Get A Life" and you'll hear his thoughts on Generations. You might be suprised to find Kirk's death made the man MORE appreciative of ST's fanbase and brotherhood.
For comic book fans, the writers of the new Star Trek movie will be doing a 4 issue comic series which provides a backstory for Nero and Mr. Spock; it also serves to tie the new movie to the Next Generation era, where Spock was last seen working towards Vulcan-Romulan reunification.
I fail to see what Nimoy's surrealistic photography has to do with his integrity. So showcasing the beauty of the classic women's form somehow equates a lack of it? Tell that to the ancient world.
Come on, that isn't a classic woman's form... 8-) In my eyes, it certainly isn't showcasing the beauty of said form.
It's not really my cup of tea either, NS. But nevertheless it's art. Subjective yes. I've seen the galleries and while some are good, some raised a few eyebrows.
Anyway, I only wanted to state this shouldn't have a bearing on the man's integrity. Let's move on -{
I love Star Trek. I'm nowhere as big a fan as many people here (*hi Tony ), and I've never seen a full episode of the original series, ;% but I loved the other three series, particularly The Next Generation, and I enjoyed the two or three films that I've seen. I will definitely be seeing this film. It looks great.
*Yes, I haven't forgotten you either Rogue, or you Alex (if I've left anyone out, I apologise. )
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I love Star Trek. I'm nowhere as big a fan as many people here (*hi Tony ), and I've never seen a full episode of the original series, ;% but I loved the other three series, particularly The Next Generation, and I enjoyed the two or three films that I've seen. I will definitely be seeing this film. It looks great.
*Yes, I haven't forgotten you either Rogue, or you Alex (if I've left anyone out, I apologise. )
There were three seasons of classic Trek, Dan. Ran from 66-69 until the morons at NBC canceled the series. (but not until they slashed the budget in half in placed them in a death spot time period). Apparently the ratings weren't good enough.
Meanwhile nowadays, shows continue to run for 8/9 seasons with lower ratings.
Anyway, glad you included me, or I'd have to kill ya. ST runs in my blood. It's the one unifying factor which brings us all together. -{
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I love Star Trek. I'm nowhere as big a fan as many people here (*hi Tony ), and I've never seen a full episode of the original series, ;% but I loved the other three series, particularly The Next Generation, and I enjoyed the two or three films that I've seen. I will definitely be seeing this film. It looks great.
How come you're always on the wrong side of things, Dan? TOS is not only the BEST (by FAR) Star Trek out there, but really the only one that counts.
Why am I not surprised that just like you've never read a comic book, you've never seen an episode of TOS? (Am I starting to sound like RA, here? ) )
Seriously, my man, watch it!
And to Alex, re: our discussion earlier, I see what you're saying. The only thing I want to add is that nobody would have given his stuff a second look had he not been Leonard Nimoy, so calling it "art" is sort of unfair to real photographers who gained success not from already being a known entity, but through talent, hard work and persistence.
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I've never seen a full episode of the original series
Get with the program Dan. Saying you're a Star Trek fan yet have never seen an entire episode of TOS is like saying you're a James Bond fan yet have never seen an entire Connery movie.
Not having seen it during your formative years, the sets, effects and even acting style may seem dated to you, but the storytelling is great and the themes presented were often very relevant even today. Yes, there are some stinkers in there as well, but the vast bulk of shows are classics and if you really want to be taken seriously as a Trek fan, you owe it to yourself to at least watch the first season.
And if not, I'll be buying RogueAgent, Nightshooter, Alex and myself some tickets to Australia, and maybe a Vulcan lirpa or two to boot.
The entire first season is perfection. Out of 29 episodes, there's only one stinker and that's "The Alternative Factor." Can't blame them, since Barrymore bailed.
I love the second, and yes, even the third, but that bright, shining, earnest, pre-actor salary holdout burst from the gate remains my favorite.
Great affection for "The Return Of The Archons." (It's almost the Red Hour.)
How come you're always on the wrong side of things, Dan? TOS is not only the BEST (by FAR) Star Trek out there, but really the only one that counts.
Why am I not surprised that just like you've never read a comic book, you've never seen an episode of TOS? (Am I starting to sound like RA, here? ) )
Seriously, my man, watch it!
;% I actually was introduced to Trek via a family friend who is, or was, a massive Trek fan, however her real love was The Next Generation (mostly, I suspect, because of Will Wheaton. ) )
I love Star Trek. I'm nowhere as big a fan as many people here (*hi Tony ), and I've never seen a full episode of the original series, ;%
Then you, sir are not a Star Trek fan. The original is the template that the spin-offs are judged by. It's the "holy mold".
You're giving Picard & his cronies props before Shatman and his crew? ?:)
Dan = FAIL! X-(
) If you didn't have me to vent your rage against, you really would be quite lost wouldn't you? :v
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Maybe they don't play US re-runs that frequent in Australia. And Dan's probably pretty busy, what with college and all.
Don't make him feel like this guy
Exactly. {[] Not the busy part , but the reruns part. I think the only classic 60's dramas that have be rerun on Australian TV in recent years are The Avengers and The Baron. When I was younger, I watched shows like Batman, but for some reason or another (maybe because Australian free-to-air hates sci-fi), the original series of Star Trek has never been shown.
I've never seen a full episode of the original series
Get with the program Dan. Saying you're a Star Trek fan yet have never seen an entire episode of TOS is like saying you're a James Bond fan yet have never seen an entire Connery movie.
Not having seen it during your formative years, the sets, effects and even acting style may seem dated to you, but the storytelling is great and the themes presented were often very relevant even today. Yes, there are some stinkers in there as well, but the vast bulk of shows are classics and if you really want to be taken seriously as a Trek fan, you owe it to yourself to at least watch the first season.
And if not, I'll be buying RogueAgent, Nightshooter, Alex and myself some tickets to Australia, and maybe a Vulcan lirpa or two to boot.
I will try (although as I've mentioned before, you are all welcome to stay at my house. :v)
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
You're off the hook Dan. At least you didn't say anything about adoring Wesley Crusher. That would've really killed me.
(Just don't make me use it)
) Well, there was that time when Wheaton made Toy Soldiers... )
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
You are quite lost, Dan when you make such sacreligious statements all of the time on subject matters that you refuse to grasp wholeheartedly.
I'm more amazed that you made it through your school years unscathed with your thought process; as Spock would say: "Fascinating..."
And my sacreligious statement in this context is stating that I love Trek, even though I never saw the original series? Rogue, while I would not question the superiority of the original series, as I haven't seen it, are you suggesting that I should either excuse myself from any discussion on Trek until I've seen the original series, or lie and pretend I have seen it? :v I must warn you, though, that like a certain *Peter Parker, I am far too honest to lie, :v and as for excluding myself from this discussion, how can I turn down an opportunity to converse with you guys on a such a good subject as this? -{
*My reference to Parker is not intend to hijack this discussion. I'm simply using him as a reference to demonstrate my honesty when it comes to admitting which films/TV shows I have and haven't seen. If it does seem like this post is hijacking the discussion, please ignore it and continue as you were.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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Rogue, while I would not question the superiority of the original series, as I haven't seen it, are you suggesting that I should either excuse myself from any discussion on Trek until I've seen the original series, or lie and pretend I have seen it? :v
No, you don't have to lie to belong but I would suggest, since we're TALKING ABOUT THE TOS, to at least be up to par on the subject matter.
Would you approach a group of acquaintances on the street engaged in a Physics conversation when you know that you don't have as much as a layman's grasp on the subject? Of course not.
I just cannot believe in a country as large as Australia that the 60s version isn't aired there on a frequent basis.
I really like you, Dan...I do. But I might have to take Tony up on that plane ticket...and I'm bringing the pain. :v
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I really like you, Dan...I do. But I might have to take Tony up on that plane ticket. :v
Perhaps you should, :v, however I do want to stress that although I've never watched the original series, I am not at all ignorant of it.
The sad truth is that Australian free-to-air TV treats Sci-Fi with complete disrespect. Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise were all screened at 11:00 on a Tuesday night, and in the case of Enterprise, we never saw the completion of the series. It's not just resigned to Trek with Fringe being replaced by The Mentalist after less than half a dozen episodes.
There are actually several old shows I've never seen (such as The Prisoner) however they will have to wait, as quite simply, there are too many shows I want to catch up on and not enough time.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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Getting on Dan Same because he has not seen TOS is just not fair!
All to many fans of James Bond have NEVER picked up an Ian Fleming novel .... and that is inexcusable!
I love TOS and frankly think the entire "Star Trek" franchise hits its peak with "The Menegerie" and has never climbed any higher.
At least with James Bond we have those beautiful novels as a core to the charecter. Even if it is a sad truth that the producers - like the fans don't bother to read them.
"Star Trek" is an over franshised shell. Paramount is just trying to squeeze a big batch of money out of this latest film. It may be a great success. But this teenage casting makes the whole thing look to me like a remake of "Goonies".
There are actually several old shows I've never seen (such as The Prisoner) however they will have to wait, as quite simply, there are too many shows I want to catch up on and not enough time.
You haven't seen The Prisoner? RogueAgent must be Hulking out somewhere. )
Honestly Dan, you just keep digging yourself into a bigger hole. This isn't helping your credibility. {:)
With a few exceptions, modern television is a great wasteland. You could do worse than rent yourself a few episodes. There were only 17 made and if you put your mind to it, you could probably get thru the entire series in a weekend.
Getting on Dan Same because he has not seen TOS is just not fair!
All to many fans of James Bond have NEVER picked up an Ian Fleming novel .... and that is inexcusable!
All in good fun 7289; yes, we needle Dan on a variety of matters, but it's only because we care and want him to expand his horizons beyond just movies and modern TV shows.
I love TOS and frankly think the entire "Star Trek" franchise hits its peak with "The Menegerie" and has never climbed any higher.
Trek's first season was its high-water mark, but season 2 did have lots of standout episodes (far more hits than misses) and really fleshed out the characters. By season 3 when it had been relegated to Fridays at 10:00 it was definitely starting to run on fumes and the ascention of Fred Frieberger to producer wasn't a good movie either.
"Star Trek" is an over franshised shell. Paramount is just trying to squeeze a big batch of money out of this latest film. It may be a great success. But this teenage casting makes the whole thing look to me like a remake of "Goonies".
Trek is a cash cow for Paramount and they will do everything possible to wring as much money out of it. Having said that, I am hopeful for this next one. JJ Abrams has shown himself to be a solid storyteller, Orci and Kurtzmann are two of the most sought-after screenwriters, and Paramount has at least loosened the purse strings.
As for the cast, with the exception of Yelchin everybody else is 30 or older, hardly teenagers. They're not the actors we grew up with but I wouldn't write them off until I had at least had a chance to see them in action. Who knows, Abrams has a good track record at assembling an ensemble cast and he could surprise us again.
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There were some great bits like Sherry Jackson reminiscing on Shatner's kissing method, Michael Forrest's Apollo persona, and good old William Campbell, a natural storyteller, to name but a few. Rarely had I ever been glued to tv as during that run.
Ah yes, good ol' Lloyd Bridges. -{
Because that's Star Trek; everything else is just Star Trek: Another Series. You don't get James Bond: The Next Generation and have a woman 00 a hundred years in the future. Kirk and Spock are the stars of Star Trek. I think they're quite right to do it this way. Whether or not they carry it off is another matter.
I think he's been stripped of them because he's A Very Naughty Boy. I have a feeling that Pike will be the captain of the Enterprise at the beginning and end of this movie.
Hater! {:)
Given that none of us have never seen this guy in anything, I really don't think his casting warrants that level of vitriol at this time. Lots of people - including comic and sci-fi geek Kevin Smith have seen his work in Trek and they've uniformly praised him. If he sucks, he sucks, but at least wait to see a clip and some actual dialog before raking him over the coals.
The question has been raised on several forums. According to the writers, there's a reason he wears a different shirt from everyone else and by the end of the film he will be in the familiar gold jersey.
If it bombs, that will be the end of Trek; we'll either get nothing at all or, even worse, some el-cheapo made for the SciFi Channel movies where the engine room of the Enterprise looks like a boiler room full of steaming pipes.
Not sure what you mean by that but based on his other output, I feel far better having Trek in his hands than somebody like Michael Bay.
So do I. But personally, as the years have worn on, I find myself drawing a line between Captain Kirk and William Shatner more and more. The way I see it, Shatner took a massive dump on the character when he agreed to have him killed off in Generations. With that cynical, greedy, selfish act he basically showed that he never really cared for the character - or Trek - and forfeited any ownership of him. He saw him as a paycheck, why else would he agree to be in that turd of a movie and allow himself to be offed like that. I know that's a radical view, but that's the way I feel. When Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley were given the chance to participate in Generations, the looked at the script, realized it was poor, and said "No, thanks". They showed integrity and a respect for their characters, something that was completely beyond Shatner.
I love those old shows and the first six movies. But those actors are all dead or aged. There will be no more movies with the original cast and none of the subsequent shows had any long term staying power. Even Next Generation had only a couple of moderate movie successes before bottoming out with Insurrection and Nemesis, turning the 24th Century into a bottomless pit of political correctness, technobabble and self-indulgent storylines. Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise never really developed any critical mass and are all largely forgotten (are they even on TV anymore?). History has shown that the original series is the only one with any legs and that's why Paramount went back to that iteration.
Many different people have worn James Bond's tux, Sherlock Holmes' deerstalker and Batman's cowl. I'm perfectly willing to let someone else take a shot at these characters too.
Okay, guys...I'm officially splitting sides.
You've all made very good points so I will try to go into the theatre a little more optimistically. I won't promise it will be easy for me though...
I did not know that Shatner did that with GENERATIONS. Thanks for that tidbit.
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Wouldn't it have been nice if the same sort of thing had been said about Daniel Craig three years ago...?
As for the new guy, I agree with RA that he is a bit too pretty boy for my liking, and NOBODY will ever be Shatner. However, the rest of the cast looks pretty strong - especially the guy playing Spock - dead-ringer for Nimoy.
Also, what happened to Nimoy showing up in the film? Anything happen about that (that maybe I missed)?
Setting phaser to kill...
Don't get me wrong Night, I love the Shatman, but the original Star Trek was an indelible part of my childhood and formative years. I learned to speak English watching that show. I developed a strong and lasting interest of science and astronomy because of that show. I even decided to make computer science my profession because of that show. Some of my earliest childhood memories are of Trek and it really played a major role in helping me to adjust when my family moved to America. So when Kirk was killed off, and so unceremoniously to boot, I'm not exaggerating when I say that I was deeply affected it. One of my childhood heroes who helped me to adjust to life in a new world was reduced to a bit part and dropped off a cliff. It was a cheap stunt, dreamed up by the powers that be to cement Next Generation as the de-facto Trek standard going forward, and Shatner went along with it. So please forgive me if I carry just a little bit of a grudge against Shatner for being an accessory to that unfortunate event.
As for Nimoy, Robert Mapplethorpe took photos of naked children and today they call it art; viewed from that perspective, Nimoy's efforts are no less valid.
He is in the film and looks to play a significant part. They haven't shown any photos of him yet and I'm not surprised. I have a feeling he'll be the last image shown in the trailer and we probably won't see him before then.
That's a pretty ridiculous perspective, don't you think?
I understand you being upset by Kirk's fate and all, but I think that is a silly reason to separate Shatner from Kirk. Nobody could have made Kirk as great as the Shatman. In my mind, they are one in the same.
That's cool about Nimoy - I was upset that they wouldn't let Shatner have a part, but I guess it could've been too hammy.
I don't see why it would be, but let's just agree to disagree.
For comic book fans, the writers of the new Star Trek movie will be doing a 4 issue comic series which provides a backstory for Nero and Mr. Spock; it also serves to tie the new movie to the Next Generation era, where Spock was last seen working towards Vulcan-Romulan reunification.
More info at the link: Trek Prequel Comic
Shatner's appreciation and take on his Kirk alter ego and Trek in general is convoluted. Read his book "Get A Life" and you'll hear his thoughts on Generations. You might be suprised to find Kirk's death made the man MORE appreciative of ST's fanbase and brotherhood.
Those look pretty interesting, but I haven't even finished my Gold Key collections yet -{
Come on, that isn't a classic woman's form... 8-) In my eyes, it certainly isn't showcasing the beauty of said form.
Anyway, I only wanted to state this shouldn't have a bearing on the man's integrity. Let's move on -{
*Yes, I haven't forgotten you either Rogue, or you Alex
Meanwhile nowadays, shows continue to run for 8/9 seasons with lower ratings.
Anyway, glad you included me, or I'd have to kill ya. ST runs in my blood. It's the one unifying factor which brings us all together. -{
How come you're always on the wrong side of things, Dan? TOS is not only the BEST (by FAR) Star Trek out there, but really the only one that counts.
Why am I not surprised that just like you've never read a comic book, you've never seen an episode of TOS? (Am I starting to sound like RA, here?
Seriously, my man, watch it!
And to Alex, re: our discussion earlier, I see what you're saying. The only thing I want to add is that nobody would have given his stuff a second look had he not been Leonard Nimoy, so calling it "art" is sort of unfair to real photographers who gained success not from already being a known entity, but through talent, hard work and persistence.
Then you, sir are not a Star Trek fan. The original is the template that the spin-offs are judged by. It's the "holy mold".
You're giving Picard & his cronies props before Shatman and his crew? ?:)
Dan = FAIL! X-(
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Don't make him feel like this guy
Get with the program Dan. Saying you're a Star Trek fan yet have never seen an entire episode of TOS is like saying you're a James Bond fan yet have never seen an entire Connery movie.
Not having seen it during your formative years, the sets, effects and even acting style may seem dated to you, but the storytelling is great and the themes presented were often very relevant even today. Yes, there are some stinkers in there as well, but the vast bulk of shows are classics and if you really want to be taken seriously as a Trek fan, you owe it to yourself to at least watch the first season.
And if not, I'll be buying RogueAgent, Nightshooter, Alex and myself some tickets to Australia, and maybe a Vulcan lirpa or two to boot.
I love the second, and yes, even the third, but that bright, shining, earnest, pre-actor salary holdout burst from the gate remains my favorite.
Great affection for "The Return Of The Archons." (It's almost the Red Hour.)
;% I actually was introduced to Trek via a family friend who is, or was, a massive Trek fan, however her real love was The Next Generation (mostly, I suspect, because of Will Wheaton.
I will try (although as I've mentioned before, you are all welcome to stay at my house. :v)
(Just don't make me use it)
You are quite lost, Dan when you make such sacreligious statements all of the time on subject matters that you refuse to grasp wholeheartedly.
I'm more amazed that you made it through your school years unscathed with your thought process; as Spock would say: "Fascinating..."
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
*My reference to Parker is not intend to hijack this discussion. I'm simply using him as a reference to demonstrate my honesty when it comes to admitting which films/TV shows I have and haven't seen. If it does seem like this post is hijacking the discussion, please ignore it and continue as you were.
No, you don't have to lie to belong but I would suggest, since we're TALKING ABOUT THE TOS, to at least be up to par on the subject matter.
Would you approach a group of acquaintances on the street engaged in a Physics conversation when you know that you don't have as much as a layman's grasp on the subject? Of course not.
I just cannot believe in a country as large as Australia that the 60s version isn't aired there on a frequent basis.
I really like you, Dan...I do. But I might have to take Tony up on that plane ticket...and I'm bringing the pain. :v
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
The sad truth is that Australian free-to-air TV treats Sci-Fi with complete disrespect. Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise were all screened at 11:00 on a Tuesday night, and in the case of Enterprise, we never saw the completion of the series. It's not just resigned to Trek with Fringe being replaced by The Mentalist after less than half a dozen episodes.
There are actually several old shows I've never seen (such as The Prisoner) however they will have to wait, as quite simply, there are too many shows I want to catch up on and not enough time.
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
All to many fans of James Bond have NEVER picked up an Ian Fleming novel .... and that is inexcusable!
I love TOS and frankly think the entire "Star Trek" franchise hits its peak with "The Menegerie" and has never climbed any higher.
At least with James Bond we have those beautiful novels as a core to the charecter. Even if it is a sad truth that the producers - like the fans don't bother to read them.
"Star Trek" is an over franshised shell. Paramount is just trying to squeeze a big batch of money out of this latest film. It may be a great success. But this teenage casting makes the whole thing look to me like a remake of "Goonies".
Sorry for the Rant.... I'll withdraw now!
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
You haven't seen The Prisoner?
Honestly Dan, you just keep digging yourself into a bigger hole. This isn't helping your credibility. {:)
With a few exceptions, modern television is a great wasteland. You could do worse than rent yourself a few episodes. There were only 17 made and if you put your mind to it, you could probably get thru the entire series in a weekend.
All in good fun 7289; yes, we needle Dan on a variety of matters, but it's only because we care and want him to expand his horizons beyond just movies and modern TV shows.
Trek's first season was its high-water mark, but season 2 did have lots of standout episodes (far more hits than misses) and really fleshed out the characters. By season 3 when it had been relegated to Fridays at 10:00 it was definitely starting to run on fumes and the ascention of Fred Frieberger to producer wasn't a good movie either.
Trek is a cash cow for Paramount and they will do everything possible to wring as much money out of it. Having said that, I am hopeful for this next one. JJ Abrams has shown himself to be a solid storyteller, Orci and Kurtzmann are two of the most sought-after screenwriters, and Paramount has at least loosened the purse strings.
As for the cast, with the exception of Yelchin everybody else is 30 or older, hardly teenagers. They're not the actors we grew up with but I wouldn't write them off until I had at least had a chance to see them in action. Who knows, Abrams has a good track record at assembling an ensemble cast and he could surprise us again.