Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    While it's nice that Paramount finally decided to release them separately instead of only as a boxed set, at this point I'm primarily interested in seeing these in hi-definition.

    When/if Paramount decides to release them on BluRay, I'll take a look. But not before then.

    Yes, quite. I'd love to see these in bluray and I don't really see the point in these re-releases in standard format. I'm sure all four will be released in bluray when Skull comes out.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    I've viewed this trailer quite a few times and the kid part in me really wants this to be good and recapture the excitement I remember from way back but I honestly do not know how this film will end up when all is said and done. I'm hoping for the best...

    Yeah, exactly. It's never going to be quite the same as the 80's Indys because it's not the 80's anymore, but it is Spielberg and he does know what he's doing. It won't beat Raiders, but I think we can be fairly assured that it'll be a well-made bit of fun.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Does anybody know if the trailer will be premiering with a particular film, and if so, which film?
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited March 2008
    RogueAgent wrote:
    You know what that reminded me of when he said that? Terminator 3 when Arnold dons the flamboyant sunglasses as if showing the audience the mortality of the character or perhaps the monotony of the theme by poking fun at himself.
    Hopefully, that will be where the comparisons with T3 end as I was quite disappointed with the third Terminator film. 8-) (I am so thankful that the masterful TV series leads off from the second film, and ignores the third. {[])
    RogueAgent wrote:
    I've viewed this trailer quite a few times and the kid part in me really wants this to be good and recapture the excitement I remember from way back but I honestly do not know how this film will end up when all is said and done. I'm hoping for the best...
    I'm too hoping for the best. I adore the Indy films, and I was incredibly excited when I saw each for the first time. :D I am very much looking forward to this film. My fears however relate specifically towards Indy's age (god help us if the film descends into a chain of 'I'm getting too old for this s..t' jokes) and the whole fatherhood angle. The film could be great, but it could be an example of how some things are best left to the past. Here's hoping... -{
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • NewsmanNewsman Erie, PA USAPosts: 92MI6 Agent
    Hope #4 will be like "Raiders" is like hoping Hillary Clinton will bring back the prosperity of Bill's years in office.

    As much as we hope otherwise, the past is gone. Lucas and Speilberg didn't have anything to prove when they made Raiders. Now there is an expectation and lots of $$$$ riding on it.

    I just hope the movie isn't a embarrassment to the series and make the other suck retroactively.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    Hmmm... bit crowded I'd say.
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    Iron Man producers take note; that is the way to do a poster. {[] Yeh, definitely a great poster. :D
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    Excellent poster...although Ford's looking a bit tired (but who could blame him). I think it's great...Drew Struzan rarely lets me down!
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,901Chief of Staff
    Love the poster--it has "tradition" written all over it! And I guess it's no longer secret what the crystal skull itself is!
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    darenhat wrote:
    Excellent poster...although Ford's looking a bit tired (but who could blame him).

    Yes, it's a funny pic of him to choose; he's not looking great or even that interested! :) Otherwise; top poster.

    (Pedants like me may even wish to notice that the proper Indy logo is back for this one!)
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    I had a theory that the change in lettering was a result of they logo type being 'unfaithfully' re-created in a 3-D modeling program and then Struzan redrew them to match. I have no evidence to support this theory since subsequent logos and three models have been pretty consistent. oh well.

    There's another behind the scenes video featuring Shia Lebeouf (sp?) posted on the official site. It looks like they're being careful to not show us anything we haven't really seen before

    http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited March 2008
    emtiem wrote:
    darenhat wrote:
    Excellent poster...although Ford's looking a bit tired (but who could blame him).
    Yes, it's a funny pic of him to choose; he's not looking great or even that interested! :) Otherwise; top poster.
    I disagree with both of you. I think that Ford looks absolutely fine. I think that he looks really good. The one person that I don't think wonderful is Cate. But then again, the poster is terrific, so I don't have many complaints. :D
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    I think Cate looks fine and is 'in character'. Karen Allen, on the hand, looks a little too good. She looks like she's posing for a family portrait and not for something that involves perilous escapades.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited April 2008
    I've confirmed my travel itinerary---I'll be landing in Los Angeles, on 22nd May 2008, to spend a week with my brother (and do a little business with my WWI script)...

    Another Loeffelholz and I will (hopefully) be catching Indiana Jones at the Chinese Theatre, in Hollywood, on Opening Day B-)

    Any AJB'ers in the L.A. area? Let me know...
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  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent

    Any AJB'ers in the L.A. area? Let me know...

    Not quite my area. I'm north about 400 miles north. Enjoy the area though. If you go to a Dodgers game, root for the other team ;) :D
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited April 2008
    Mr Martini wrote:

    Any AJB'ers in the L.A. area? Let me know...

    Not quite my area. I'm north about 400 miles north. Enjoy the area though. If you go to a Dodgers game, root for the other team ;) :D

    In fact I will be seeing at least one Dodgers game---maybe two---and rooting for the visitors, because my beloved St. Louis Cardinals are in town that weekend... B-) My travel dates were not mere happenstance :v
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    There's a new trailor of sorts on aintitcool...
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    The new trailer proper (not a TV spot) has also emerged, but only as a bootleg and it's been quickly taken down. Should be with us soon, hopefully!
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    Hmm. Watched the Indy trailer on another thread, not sure really. Still nothing in it particularly new to grab me, and the convoluted Chrystal Skull guff at the beginning sounds awfully like the 'trade conferences zzzzzz' that kicked off the interminable Phantom Menace. There's a nod to Brando on his bike in The Wild One (possibly as ill advised as mentioning Glen Miller in Raiders). And Mom comes too! And let's pray it's not another excuse for Lucas to do his awful CGI rubbish.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    Blimey- nothing like optimism! I don't think the idea of taking something back which got stolen is terribly complicated or political- it's pretty much the same setup as Temple of Doom; Raiders had an even more complicated backstory of the Ark. If you made through those okay, I'm sure you'll be able to handle a skull being taken back to where it came form.
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    edited May 2008
    The new Indy trailer is now available at the official site:

    http://www.indianajones.com

    Obviously the sound and picture quality is vastly superior to the bootleg trailer we saw previously. Near the end of the trailer, Jones pops us with a rocket launcher and says "I'd cover my ears if I were you!" but in the bootleg version I thought he had told his cohorts to 'Cover my ears!" (Which was much funnier IMO).
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    I saw the new trailer today in front of Iron Man and ...I don't know...it just sort of sat there. There really was no energy to it and, unlike the teaser, Ford looked all of his 65 years and nobody seemed to have any energy to them.

    I'll still be seeing the movie, but this trailer could have been a lot better.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    The trailer looks pretty good. Cate looks as if she will be magnificent as usual, but Ford looks a little... old. When he was talking about the skull, he sounded exactly like a tired 65 year-old man. :# Also, the action scenes don't look all that wonderful (although I like the humour; "put down your hands, you're embarassing us.")

    I will definitely be seeing the film, but this trailer doesn't exactly make me want to jump out of my seat with excitement. ;)
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    It's an odd trailer, to be sure. People are excited about the return of Indiana Jones, but this trailer (unlike the first one) plays down that fact. We already hear and see Jones before the familiar Raiders March kicks in, and as a result it really de-emphasizes what audiences are really hopped up about.

    To be honest, I don't think people care about the crystal skull, or the fate of the world, or explosions right now. Those kinds of elements are standard fare for an Indiana Jones movie. What makes this movie unique in the eyes of audiences is that it heralds the return of Indiana Jones after a 19-year hiatus. The trailer just ignores that fact, and as a result, creates a slight disconnect with the viewer.
  • highhopeshighhopes Posts: 1,358MI6 Agent
    Hmm. Watched the Indy trailer on another thread, not sure really. Still nothing in it particularly new to grab me, and the convoluted Chrystal Skull guff at the beginning sounds awfully like the 'trade conferences zzzzzz' that kicked off the interminable Phantom Menace. There's a nod to Brando on his bike in The Wild One (possibly as ill advised as mentioning Glen Miller in Raiders). And Mom comes too! And let's pray it's not another excuse for Lucas to do his awful CGI rubbish.

    How "new" could it be in a series with a recurring character? As for the Crystal Skull nonsense, what would you have Indiana Jones do? Spend two hours grading term papers? Call it Indiana Jones and Ivory Tower. :))

    And what's wrong with the bike? That's a great motorcycle, a springer, like mine (maybe the "nod" is to me ;)). And I don't remember any reference to Glen Miller in Raiders.

    Don't mean to pick on you, Nape, but there's few folks on this thread who should read and reread the last coupla paragraphs to this story. This movie sounds like a lot of fun.


    Indy walks back through our door as `Crystal Skull' nears
    By DAVID GERMAIN, AP Movie Writer
    May 5, 2008

    Marion Ravenwood might have been speaking for us all when she set eyes on Indiana Jones for the first time in years.

    Her caustic greeting to the archaeologist-adventurer in 1981's "Raiders of the Lost Ark": "Indiana Jones. I always knew someday you'd come walking back through my door."

    It's been 19 years since Indy literally rode off into the sunset in "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade," but like Marion, could anyone doubt that the world's most famous tomb raider would come back into our lives one day?

    For 27 years, Indy has stood as one of cinema's ultimate Everyman heroes, a poster boy for the idea that there are some good men you can never, ever keep down.

    "He's a real guy. He's just like us," said George Lucas, who dreamed up the character and re-teams with director Steven Spielberg and Harrison Ford as Indy for "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull," due out May 22.

    "He makes lots of mistakes," Lucas said. "He kind of goofs up. He has the same kind of thinking that we have. He's beat up all the time. It's like he's not a superhero. He's just an average Joe that's always in over his head that somehow seems to get through it."

    The new movie co-stars Cate Blanchett as Irina Spalko, a Russian operative with crisp black bangs who's after the Crystal Skull of Akator, an ancient artifact that could help the Soviet Union dominate the world.

    Ray Winstone plays a new Indy ally, and the film also co-stars John Hurt and Jim Broadbent.

    "Raiders" fans are thrilled over the return of Karen Allen as Marion, while Shia LaBeouf plays Indy's new sidekick, Mutt Williams.

    An early press kit for "Crystal Skull" describes Mutt as a "rebellious 20-year-old with a chip on his shoulder and some personal business to discuss with Dr. Jones." Fans have speculated that Mutt is the love child of Indy and Marion, though the filmmakers won't say.

    Resurrecting Indy took more than a decade of debate, disagreement and compromise among the film's three principals, Spielberg and Ford disliking a way-out-there initial idea Lucas had.

    "It was the three of us, Steven, George and I, coming to agreement on the central notion of it all," Ford said. "I think the original idea is still a large piece of it in the movie, but it's been developed and worked on in ways that made it a lot more palatable to Steven and I."

    Though the filmmakers have been tightlipped on the plot, the era — 1957 instead of the 1930s — and the trailer's image of a crate marked "Roswell, New Mexico, 1947," imply aliens are involved. Roswell is where UFO buffs claim an alien spaceship crashed in 1947.

    Just as the first three Indy flicks were inspired by the supernatural B-movies of the 1930s, Lucas conceded he took his cue for the new film from the equivalent of the 1950s, when B-movies centered on extraterrestrial menace.

    Just how far "Crystal Skull" might venture into "E.T." territory remains to be seen, though it clearly was not as far as Lucas wanted.

    "The MacGuffin of it slowed down a little bit from what my original enthusiastic version was. Again, that's the way it works with Steven and Harrison and I," Lucas said. "We're not going to do anything anyone's uncomfortable with. We want to do something everybody likes, we in the group, the three of us.

    "They wanted to go off on some other tangent. I said, `I'm not going to do that. I'm going to stick with this no matter what, so we either do this or we don't. That's it.' Finally, we got something that we could all compromise on and all be happy with. It wasn't quite as wacky as I wanted it to be, but it still is subtle and nice and works really well and has the same idea behind it."

    Likewise, "Crystal Skull" has the same idea behind the action, presented in the Indy-making-it-up-as-he-goes-along style of the earlier films rather than the glossy computer-generated imagery that makes most of today's action spectacles look as slick as a video game.

    "We did it sort of old-school-style," Ford said. "Certainly, there is a fair amount of CGI that will be used, enhancing a lot of what we did, but generally not in the action area. It will enhance some of the physical sets. In the action area, it was pretty much done for real."

    The filmmakers are keeping the movie under tight wraps until its premiere at the Cannes Film Festival just four days before it opens in theaters.

    But members of Indy's inner circle have seen it, among them Sean Patrick Flanery, who played the character in the 1990s TV adventures of "Young Indiana Jones."

    "It's the same vibe, the same feel. They didn't miss a beat," Flanery said of "Crystal Skull." "People are going to love it. It's what everybody's been waiting for."

    Fan buzz online has been intense. On IMDB.com, the Internet Movie Database, a post from a user called zac2347 chides fans for claiming "Crystal Skull" is the summer's most-anticipated movie, insisting it "looks like a rehash of the same stuff" and that the three trailers for "The Dark Knight" have elevated that Batman sequel above Indy.

    Responds another poster, indyjones32: "Three trailers vs. 20 years of wait, disappointment and build-up. My money is on the 20 years."

    "Raiders," "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" and "Last Crusade" presented a rich warehouse of detail to define the character, from his fedora hat and whip to his snake phobia and bookish classroom demeanor.

    His quips were wonderfully quotable: "Trust me" ... "It's not the years, honey, it's the mileage" ... "Nazis. I hate these guys" — and, informing passengers after tossing a Nazi out of a zeppelin, "No ticket."

    "Raiders" was nominated for eight Academy Awards, including best picture, director and score, whose fanfare is one of the world's best-known pieces of music.

    Indy placed second on the American Film Institute's list of movie heroes, ahead of James Bond, Superman and Ford's "Star Wars" character, Han Solo. The only man to beat him was Atticus Finch of "To Kill a Mockingbird."

    While all three films had wild action and memorable exchanges, "Raiders" has stood as the critical favorite.

    "Like all megahits, you look back and see that every element was perfect," said director Rob Cohen, who resurrects another archaeological-adventure franchise this summer with "The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor."

    "Harrison is an A actor in a B-movie setup, and Spielberg is an A-plus-plus-plus director taking on the Saturday morning serial. So you get a humanity and sophistication that you wouldn't get if you did the cardboard version," said Cohen, who added that he introduced Spielberg to Allen, the future Marion Ravenwood, on a double date in 1980.

    Lucas went through years of grousing and second-guessing by fans who picked apart his "Star Wars" prequels. He expects the same on "Crystal Skull," saying it's impossible to satisfy hardcore fans.

    "Whenever you do a film like this, people expect the Second Coming, and that's not what it is. So fans all get grumpy, the critics are already grumpy," Lucas said. "If you're going to say, `I'm going to get my Academy Award this year and finally I'm going to be loved by all the critics, and the fans are just going to go crazy' — not going to happen."

    "So you only do it because it's a fun experience to do, and we love the movies," Lucas said. "We're doing it primarily because we want to see it. I want to see it, Steven wants to see it, Harrison wants to see it."
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    Blimey- nothing like optimism! I don't think the idea of taking something back which got stolen is terribly complicated or political- it's pretty much the same setup as Temple of Doom; Raiders had an even more complicated backstory of the Ark. If you made through those okay, I'm sure you'll be able to handle a skull being taken back to where it came form.

    Well, emti' seems I'm not the only one going by this review on aintitcool:


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  • arthur pringlearthur pringle SpacePosts: 366MI6 Agent
    One further review has since popped up there which is more positive and says it's no Raiders but on a par with the sequels and good fun. I get the impression a lot of people want this film to be a dud so they can have a go at George Lucas. Even his beard has come in for heavy criticism on some Indy IV threads.

    I bet he wishes he'd never made those Star Wars prequels sometimes.
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