Something sounds very familiar here. . .complaints about a film that hasn't even been made yet. . .I dunno: my mind's drawing a blank. Where have I heard it? Where? Something about a casino, I think. . . ?:)
No worries HB. How cool would it be if oe of the two titles mentioned on the last page were true. Think about Indy searching for Atlantis, and I'm not talking about the space shuttle either.
Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
Something sounds very familiar here. . .complaints about a film that hasn't even been made yet. . .I dunno: my mind's drawing a blank. Where have I heard it? Where? Something about a casino, I think. . . ?:)
I suppose if one doesn't like Harrison Ford, then an Indiana Jones film may not be one's cup of tea. My fear is that I was absolutely appalled by 'The Last Crusade' and Lucas's track record with reserructing franchises has not been stellar. The film does have Koepp who IMO is a capable writer, plus my hope is Spielberg will steer the film in the proper direction.
I don't think that Last Crusade sucked at all (IMO it was the second best film in the trilogy) but I do think it was overlong. I liked the second half more than the first half and I think that the film should have been dramatically cut. Additionally, I'm not a big fan of the reference to Hitler, although it wasn't really a huge deal. (Spielberg has since regretted that reference; a sentiment I agree with.)
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I felt the consistent and overt humor really cheapened the Last Crusade. While Temple of Doom was far from great, I was still able to get behind the character as he wasn't being played for laughs. Last Crusade spoiled alot of things about the character for me.
I was just killing time on RottenTomatoes, and there are some interesting Indy IV tidbits in the news section. If all this is true, then the plot will involve
Fairly big. Essentially, you'd find out what the MacGuffin is in the film and which actor will be playing the baddie. Bear in mind, both are only rumors, though.
I was just killing time on RottenTomatoes, and there are some interesting Indy IV tidbits in the news section. If all this is true, then the plot will involve
the Russians and Area 51
and the villain of the piece will be
Cate Blanchett herself!
Uncover the spoilers at your own risk!
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George Lucas better not get any ideas about filling Area 51 with cast offs from his other movies. If I see Jar Jar Binks, or Howard the Duck!!!! I hope they're not doing this. I'd rather they stuck with earthly wonders.
In response to John Drake's post, I find the proposed setting intriguing. If the Indy films of the '80s were tributes to the movie serials of the 1930s and '40s, then perhaps Indy IV will be an homage to the red-baiting sci fi flicks of the '50s? It could work!
"David Koepp is one of the best screenwriters around." "George Lucas never runs out of great ideas." Wow...I'm very glad to see that this reviewer is an independent thinker and not just a shill for LucasFilms.
What's next?"Harrison Ford is the greatest actor of all time and wears the finest hat in the entire history of hats?" or "This'll be a REAL classic and it'll make Citizen Kane and Casablanca look inept."
C'mon...
The movie will probably be pretty good--although while I think she's a good actress, I don't think Cate Blanchett is especially glamorous.
I love the Indiana Jones trilogy. Adore all 3 of the films.
A 4th would be great, but it's just one of those things that is said to happen and never does. They have been talking about it for far too long now, and still, nothing has happened. I would love to see it happen, but will it?
I definitely think it could work, with Ford's age, if they set it in the 50's like many have already said.
But is Ford actually physically fit to play the role?
If not, then there's no point in making it - nobody else can play Indiana Jones. It's either Ford or no-one.
I think Ford looks very good for a 65 year old,and I'm sure that once he's made up,he'll look even better as Indy.I also suspect he'll be playing a relatively younger man-probably in his early 50s.And it's entirely possible that Ford's had a facelift.
As in all of the other Indy movies,Ford will be assisted by the best stuntmen Lucas can afford--probably Vic Armstrong's team--so there shouldn't be any concerns about him in any of the action scenes.
Furthermore,Indy's 20 year old son will also be in the movie, and he'll probably see his share of action too.In fact,he might even be involved in some of the more strenuous sequences.
Setting the new film in the 50s is a good idea-it was an interesting decade, and is a more logical period for Indy to be adventuring in than in the mid 1940s once more.
Films like these always need quality writing in order to succeed--good stories with interesting characters and intriguing situations with enough substance so that they aren't just used as brief pauses between the stunts,car chases,explosions,etc.I think that with the exception of Temple of Doom which looked to be loosely inspired by Gunga Din, but leaned much too heavily on scenes of children being tortured,this has been an excellent series.
The new film has every chance to be a good one.Audience expectations will be very high.Can this new film match or even surpass the original movie and Last Crusade?That's the big challenge facing Lucas/Spielberg/Ford and Koepp.Good luck to them.
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I love the Indiana Jones trilogy. Adore all 3 of the films.
A 4th would be great, but it's just one of those things that is said to happen and never does. They have been talking about it for far too long now, and still, nothing has happened. I would love to see it happen, but will it?
I definitely think it could work, with Ford's age, if they set it in the 50's like many have already said.
But is Ford actually physically fit to play the role?
If not, then there's no point in making it - nobody else can play Indiana Jones. It's either Ford or no-one.
Would love to see a 4th film come out though...
If it's any help, from what I've read filming starts in June. Also, Shia Labeouf is supposed to be in the film. And finally, I pulled this off of theraider.net: (This is about the filming in New Haven, no real big spoilers though)
In the New Haven-shot scenes, professor Ford gets pursued by bad guys in black sedans through the Yale campus, up to athletic fields.
On Monday, Indiana Jones bursts through Yale's Branford College courtyard on the motorcycle, continuing on through Saybrook College. Tuesday, he'll head to a Yale baseball diamond off Derby Avenue, which has a tunnel running under it, according to Martin's research.
"I'm sure they're going to make it try to fly out of the tunnel," Martin told the aldermen. Then Indy "steals a football from practice and uses it as a weapon," he said. (Martin later elaborated the football throw was just an example of a possible moment of lighthearted comic relief, not a guarantee.) Thursday, the chase will hit downtown's Wall Street, then Friday, it'll fly by Yale's Sterling Memorial Library, on to Woolsey Hall, where the film crew hopes to stage the finale.
Ford bursts through Commons, which is set up to look like a study hall. "Books will be flying, students will be running." If all goes as currently planned, a Sedan may flip over outside on Grove Street.
Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
I'm really looking forward to this one. But I am a little hesitant. Many times coming back after so many years can be disastrous. We do know Lucas has a bad track record in this department. But I'm hoping with Spielberg involved we won't see anything corny like Jar Jar. I guess we'll have to wait and see if an older Harrison Ford can pull it off. I think he can. I like the idea of it being set in the 1950's. That's one of my favorite decades. The addition of his kid is a tricky matter. I do think Shia should be up to the acting challenge. Then with having Cate Blanchett and Ray Winstone, who I both like a lot, will add to the movie. Still hoping that Sean Connery will come back for one last time.
If it's any help, from what I've read filming starts in June.
Oh really? That'll be fun.
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I'm hoping someone could help me out here. Or maybe clarify something. A few years back a friend gave me the three movies on VHS. I remember The three movies having chapters on the side of the box. If I remeber correctly Temple Of Doom Had chapter 22. Raiders had chapter 23 and Last Crusade had chapter 24. I no longer own these movies ( I do have the DVDs, but no chapters).
Can any one explain this to me?
P.S. The chapters may not be exact. I do know one of the later releases had a earler chapter than a later release.
Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
I'm hoping someone could help me out here. Or maybe clarify something. A few years back a friend gave me the three movies on VHS. I remember The three movies having chapters on the side of the box. If I remeber correctly Temple Of Doom Had chapter 22. Raiders had chapter 23 and Last Crusade had chapter 24. I no longer own these movies ( I do have the DVDs, but no chapters).
Can any one explain this to me?
P.S. The chapters may not be exact. I do know one of the later releases had a earler chapter than a later release.
This was one of George Lucas's wild marketing concepts which never took. When the films were released in widescreen on VHS for the first time, you purchased the box set of the three movies and received a 'bonus' video of the made-for-TV feature length pic 'Young Indiana Jones and the Treasure of the Peacock's Eye' (or something like that). The concept was to insert all of the Young Indiana Jones episodes into the film series as individual chapters...thus in chronological order the Young Indiana Jones series comprise 'Chapters 1 - 22' TOD would be Chapter 23, ROTLA Chapter 24, and LC would be 25.
The plan I believe was to entice fans to buy ALL the chapters, but it didn't happen. With the DVD release, the chapter numbers were taken off and to this day no one has bothered to transfer the Young Indiana Jones series to DVD.
I enjoyed YIJ for what it was, but I wouldn't want 22 VHS tapes cluttering my shelf. A 5 or 6 disc set may be acceptable, though.
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Thanks darenhat. I do remember getting the Peacocks eye video. I vaguley remember the show being on ABC on Saturday nights (I think). My only other question would be, is Temple Of Doom supposed to take place before Raiders? I thought Raiders was released first? (Or was that just part of the marketing campaign)
Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
My only other question would be, is Temple Of Doom supposed to take place before Raiders? I thought Raiders was released first? (Or was that just part of the marketing campaign)
Yes, Raiders was released first, but TOD was advertised in 1984 as a prequel. I'm not entirely sure what makes it so--except for the fact there are no Nazis or references to them.
Yes, Raiders was released first, but TOD was advertised in 1984 as a prequel. I'm not entirely sure what makes it so--except for the fact there are no Nazis or references to them.
The interesting thing about the Indiana films was that both sequels were also prequels. Temple of Doom was a genuine prequel, while Last Crusade was a prequel/sequel.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
The interesting thing about the Indiana films was that both sequels were also prequels. Temple of Doom was a genuine prequel, while Last Crusade was a prequel/sequel.
?:) Wha. . .? A sequel to the prequel? LC takes place after Raiders. Remember, there's a scene where Alison Doody spies a wall carving and asks, "What's that?" "Ark of the Covenant," Indy replies. "Are you sure?" "I'm sure." (Or something like that--I haven't seen the movie since 1989!)
The interesting thing about the Indiana films was that both sequels were also prequels. Temple of Doom was a genuine prequel, while Last Crusade was a prequel/sequel.
?:) Wha. . .? A sequel to the prequel? LC takes place after Raiders. Remember, there's a scene where Alison Doody spies a wall carving and asks, "What's that?" "Ark of the Covenant," Indy replies. "Are you sure?" "I'm sure." (Or something like that--I haven't seen the movie since 1989!)
I think Dan is referring to the opening sequence of LC with the late River Pheonix as a young Indy. The rest of the story clearly takes place after the other two films.
My only other question would be, is Temple Of Doom supposed to take place before Raiders? I thought Raiders was released first? (Or was that just part of the marketing campaign)
Yes, Raiders was released first, but TOD was advertised in 1984 as a prequel. I'm not entirely sure what makes it so--except for the fact there are no Nazis or references to them.
I'm not really sure- I suppose we do see Indy become a little more interested in helping people over just fortune and glory (which you could say he was less worried about in Raiders) and also perhaps he was supposed to shack up with Marion after the first film and settle down?
The interesting thing about the Indiana films was that both sequels were also prequels. Temple of Doom was a genuine prequel, while Last Crusade was a prequel/sequel.
?:) Wha. . .? A sequel to the prequel? LC takes place after Raiders. Remember, there's a scene where Alison Doody spies a wall carving and asks, "What's that?" "Ark of the Covenant," Indy replies. "Are you sure?" "I'm sure." (Or something like that--I haven't seen the movie since 1989!)
I think Dan is referring to the opening sequence of LC with the late River Pheonix as a young Indy. The rest of the story clearly takes place after the other two films.
I am indeed referring to the scenes with River Pheonix as a young Indy. Those scenes establish Last Crusade as a prequel, while everything else establishes it as a sequel.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
It is disappointing that Connery isn't coming back. Although the playful nature of his statement gives me hope that he may yet change his mind. Still, if he really is retired then I think Spielberg and Lucas should hire Roger Moore for the part. Somebody else suggested that around here (Hardyboy maybe?) and I think it's an inspired idea since S&L profess to be such big Bond fans.
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No worries HB. How cool would it be if oe of the two titles mentioned on the last page were true. Think about Indy searching for Atlantis, and I'm not talking about the space shuttle either.
I suppose if one doesn't like Harrison Ford, then an Indiana Jones film may not be one's cup of tea. My fear is that I was absolutely appalled by 'The Last Crusade' and Lucas's track record with reserructing franchises has not been stellar. The film does have Koepp who IMO is a capable writer, plus my hope is Spielberg will steer the film in the proper direction.
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I'm replying to a spoiler so please only uncover this if you have read the above. {[]
What's next?"Harrison Ford is the greatest actor of all time and wears the finest hat in the entire history of hats?" or "This'll be a REAL classic and it'll make Citizen Kane and Casablanca look inept."
C'mon...
The movie will probably be pretty good--although while I think she's a good actress, I don't think Cate Blanchett is especially glamorous.
A 4th would be great, but it's just one of those things that is said to happen and never does. They have been talking about it for far too long now, and still, nothing has happened. I would love to see it happen, but will it?
I definitely think it could work, with Ford's age, if they set it in the 50's like many have already said.
But is Ford actually physically fit to play the role?
If not, then there's no point in making it - nobody else can play Indiana Jones. It's either Ford or no-one.
Would love to see a 4th film come out though...
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
As in all of the other Indy movies,Ford will be assisted by the best stuntmen Lucas can afford--probably Vic Armstrong's team--so there shouldn't be any concerns about him in any of the action scenes.
Furthermore,Indy's 20 year old son will also be in the movie, and he'll probably see his share of action too.In fact,he might even be involved in some of the more strenuous sequences.
Setting the new film in the 50s is a good idea-it was an interesting decade, and is a more logical period for Indy to be adventuring in than in the mid 1940s once more.
Films like these always need quality writing in order to succeed--good stories with interesting characters and intriguing situations with enough substance so that they aren't just used as brief pauses between the stunts,car chases,explosions,etc.I think that with the exception of Temple of Doom which looked to be loosely inspired by Gunga Din, but leaned much too heavily on scenes of children being tortured,this has been an excellent series.
The new film has every chance to be a good one.Audience expectations will be very high.Can this new film match or even surpass the original movie and Last Crusade?That's the big challenge facing Lucas/Spielberg/Ford and Koepp.Good luck to them.
If it's any help, from what I've read filming starts in June. Also, Shia Labeouf is supposed to be in the film. And finally, I pulled this off of theraider.net: (This is about the filming in New Haven, no real big spoilers though)
In the New Haven-shot scenes, professor Ford gets pursued by bad guys in black sedans through the Yale campus, up to athletic fields.
On Monday, Indiana Jones bursts through Yale's Branford College courtyard on the motorcycle, continuing on through Saybrook College. Tuesday, he'll head to a Yale baseball diamond off Derby Avenue, which has a tunnel running under it, according to Martin's research.
"I'm sure they're going to make it try to fly out of the tunnel," Martin told the aldermen. Then Indy "steals a football from practice and uses it as a weapon," he said. (Martin later elaborated the football throw was just an example of a possible moment of lighthearted comic relief, not a guarantee.) Thursday, the chase will hit downtown's Wall Street, then Friday, it'll fly by Yale's Sterling Memorial Library, on to Woolsey Hall, where the film crew hopes to stage the finale.
Ford bursts through Commons, which is set up to look like a study hall. "Books will be flying, students will be running." If all goes as currently planned, a Sedan may flip over outside on Grove Street.
Oh really? That'll be fun.
Can any one explain this to me?
P.S. The chapters may not be exact. I do know one of the later releases had a earler chapter than a later release.
This was one of George Lucas's wild marketing concepts which never took. When the films were released in widescreen on VHS for the first time, you purchased the box set of the three movies and received a 'bonus' video of the made-for-TV feature length pic 'Young Indiana Jones and the Treasure of the Peacock's Eye' (or something like that). The concept was to insert all of the Young Indiana Jones episodes into the film series as individual chapters...thus in chronological order the Young Indiana Jones series comprise 'Chapters 1 - 22' TOD would be Chapter 23, ROTLA Chapter 24, and LC would be 25.
The plan I believe was to entice fans to buy ALL the chapters, but it didn't happen. With the DVD release, the chapter numbers were taken off and to this day no one has bothered to transfer the Young Indiana Jones series to DVD.
I enjoyed YIJ for what it was, but I wouldn't want 22 VHS tapes cluttering my shelf. A 5 or 6 disc set may be acceptable, though.
You can see a list of the YIG chapters here:
http://www.indianajones.com/young/
Yes, Raiders was released first, but TOD was advertised in 1984 as a prequel. I'm not entirely sure what makes it so--except for the fact there are no Nazis or references to them.
?:) Wha. . .? A sequel to the prequel? LC takes place after Raiders. Remember, there's a scene where Alison Doody spies a wall carving and asks, "What's that?" "Ark of the Covenant," Indy replies. "Are you sure?" "I'm sure." (Or something like that--I haven't seen the movie since 1989!)
I think Dan is referring to the opening sequence of LC with the late River Pheonix as a young Indy. The rest of the story clearly takes place after the other two films.
I'm not really sure- I suppose we do see Indy become a little more interested in helping people over just fortune and glory (which you could say he was less worried about in Raiders) and also perhaps he was supposed to shack up with Marion after the first film and settle down?
http://defamer.com/hollywood/retirement/sean-connery-politely-explains-why-hes-too-old-for-this-indy-4-****-266922.php