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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    TonyDP wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    I just finished a Marvel pinup for my portfolio for upcoming cons I'll attend in the coming months; it's nothing much really.
    I'll post it here to see what you all think of it...if I can keep my fanboy son from slobbing all over it. :))

    I'd still love to see your take on what Iron Man should look like; but knowing you it'll probably the the Hulk. It just better not be one of those lame-ass mutants. :))


    Hmmmm....well...it is an Iron Man pinup, Tony.

    I don't think it's all that special but my kid wanted to take it to school because he loved it so much.

    Give me a definition of a lame-ass mutant? :))
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Give me a definition of a lame-ass mutant? :))

    Pretty much any mutant other than Wolverine on a good day. {:)

    Its no secret that I've never been a fan of the X-Men books. The whole "we're misunderstood but we have problems just like normal people angle" always left me cold. They also changed allegiences more often than pro wrestlers.

    BTW, no pressure or anything, but I look forward to seeing your take on Iron Man.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    Well if you're expecting some Ultimate incarnation, I'm sorry to disappoint you but I don't subscribe to that look. Probably why I'll never get hired by Marvel to draw the character in its current vein...

    Like you, being that we're just mere months apart, I grew up influenced by the 70s-80s versions which, IMO, were more fluid than the bulky or stocky interpretations of today. Like I've said countless times on this site, I was a fan of IM during John Romita Jr's run where his artwork made you notice "the character".

    Being that there's a revolving door at Marvel with their editors, and they're all fanboys to begin with, going back to these classic looks for Stark are pretty much out of the question.
    Even I have to admit that he's a technological superhero and that in itself means that the hero must evolve with the times to mirror our own.

    I'd have a better chance getting hired on more grounded heroes like Daredevil or The Hulk...but for the paycheck, I think that I could conform to do Iron Man even if I don't agree. ;)

    As for you X-Men comment...I like the theme that they used: "US AGAINST THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT US", thing is, it's a little outdated now with its terminology. I had no interest in buying the X-men books until John Byrne took over the title in the 70s. You do know that Marvel was just about to cancel the book out altogether until that point don't you?

    And I hope that you don't think that Gambit, Thunderbird, Bishop & Forge are lame; they're my favorite ones. B-)
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Well if you're expecting some Ultimate incarnation, I'm sorry to disappoint you but I don't subscribe to that look. Probably why I'll never get hired by Marvel to draw the character in its current vein...

    As I mentioned to Agent_M in the IM thread, I think the Ultimate IM is a little too mangaish for me; my exact quote was that he looked like something out of a Godzilla movie.
    Like you, being that we're just mere months apart, I grew up influenced by the 70s-80s versions which, IMO, were more fluid than the bulky or stocky interpretations of today. Like I've said countless times on this site, I was a fan of IM during John Romita Jr's run where his artwork made you notice "the character".

    Being that there's a revolving door at Marvel with their editors, and they're all fanboys to begin with, going back to these classic looks for Stark are pretty much out of the question.
    Even I have to admit that he's a technological superhero and that in itself means that the hero must evolve with the times to mirror our own.

    I'd have a better chance getting hired on more grounded heroes like Daredevil or The Hulk...but for the paycheck, I think that I could conform to do Iron Man even if I don't agree. ;)

    Yeah, he definitely much evolve with the times, but I still think you can do that and stay true to those classic renderings. The movie IM bears a stronger resemblance to the classic IM we love than to the Ultimate version.
    As for you X-Men comment...I like the theme that they used: "US AGAINST THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT US", thing is, it's a little outdated now with its terminology. I had no interest in buying the X-men books until John Byrne took over the title in the 70s. You do know that Marvel was just about to cancel the book out altogether until that point don't you?

    I was aware of that, and I've lamented it many times. :)) (just kidding)
    And I hope that you don't think that Gambit, Thunderbird, Bishop & Forge are lame; they're my favorite ones. B-)

    There have been so many mutants over the years that I can't keep them straight anymore. I do remember Gambit and Bishop and did like both of them. Probably liked Bishop a little more of the two, at least when he had hair. Although I always thought that they wrote him "weak" given his mutant ability to absorb energy. I tired of Gambit's doomed romance with Rogue and how Marvel kept milking and milking that angle. Forge was the one with the bionic arm, right? Don't seem to recall what his mutant ability was And I can't for the life of me remember Thunderbird's abilities either.

    I did also like the Age of Apocalyspe storyline, I actually bought the whole run (and might still have them) but didn't care for how some of those characters then got folded into regular continuity. It was shortly after that I completely burned out on mutants. I haven't really followed them since then.
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    edited April 2008
    TonyDP wrote:
    I did also like the Age of Apocalyspe storyline, I actually bought the whole run (and might still have them) but didn't care for how some of those characters then got folded into regular continuity. It was shortly after that I completely burned out on mutants and I haven't really followed them since then.

    I think that's about the time I dropped out of the Marvel scene. Marvel, in their wisdom, began way too many storylines in the mutant titles (The Mutant Wars being one of them) that crossed over into the other mags. If you didn't follow all the other titles, the story became disjointed and incoherent. That, coupled with Marvel's summer bi-weekly releases, made it impossible for me to keep current on the storylines. When I finally had a chance to get back into the comics scene, I've been incredibly disappointed with what's available. It seems as if there's too much focus on art and not enough on story. first too much story...then not enough. Sheesh, I'm never happy.

    One of the things I enjoy so much about RogueAgent's work is that it hearkens back to the way comics used to be drawn, IMO.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    darenhat wrote:
    One of the things I enjoy so much about RogueAgent's work is that it hearkens back to the way comics used to be drawn, IMO.



    Thanks, darenhat. You'd be surprised at the various demographics who feel the same way that you and others like us do. Young and old, etc... Even my 10 year old loves Jack Kirby's artwork to death and feels that it still has a place in today's stream of things...

    For me, it's all about attracting the RIGHT editor. I believe that I will one day. :)

    Here's a rough piecing of the Iron Man pinup that I said I would put up; I was on the phone long distance with my inker in Massachusetts and he will clean it up and straighten it out properly before he puts a brush to it...



    mikeiron.jpg

    We were going over last minute details to get it started but this is how I view my Iron Man. Hope you guys like it.

    BTW, I will put up the inked version and then go and have it digitally colored (the missile panel will be rendered in sky) and post that one for viewing. ;)
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  • PendragonPendragon ColoradoPosts: 2,640MI6 Agent
    ooo :o

    I'm still more excited for Bats, but that IM pinup got me a tad more pumped for the IM movie...:D maybe now, I'll actually go see it before it leaves theaters ;)

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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    Very very nice Rogue, I like that one a lot. I like your take on IM's armor, elements of the classic Romita design with a touch of post-Extremis aesthetic. But is it me or does Nick Fury have a little Shylock in him? ;)

    Look forward to seeing the inked version. {[]
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    Really like the IM, RA, but why is he so angry looking?

    And, just so you know, Nick Fury isn't white anymore. ;)
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    And, just so you know, Nick Fury isn't white anymore. ;)

    I can see it now...a modern remake Marvel-style of 'The Watermelon Man' {:)
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    darenhat wrote:
    And, just so you know, Nick Fury isn't white anymore. ;)

    I can see it now...a modern remake Marvel-style of 'The Watermelon Man' {:)


    :)) :)) :))

    Godfrey Cambridge Syndrome!

    Hey thank you all for liking the Iron Man pinup. Night, I really wanted and was tempted to do the Ultimate Nick Fury because he's slightly cooler by comparison and I love Samuel Jackson's talent but I felt that it wouldn't fit the aesthetic of the armor that I drew seeing as Tony has already stated, it's a mixture of the 70s-80s look...

    I've always thought that Stark looked cooler with the goatee as opposed to the pornstasche and porn hair of the 70s. :D

    ...and the fact that white Nick Fury has been looked over alot lately through no fault of his own...I blame Hasselhoff. :D

    This is the version of the character that I grew up reading and admiring so much. Romita Jr. was a strong influence for me then until he drastically changed his art style and left me a little cold with his new approach.

    The one thing that I hate about alot of artists who are making the big bucks nowadays are literally tracing their compositions and it's a little disheartening. Compound that with the technology used and any one on this site alone can be a kick butt comic artist.

    It needs to be the way it was but that's me just being a comic-misogynist dinosaur... :#
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    Really like the IM, RA, but why is he so angry looking?

    :)) He's not angry, just determined.

    Besides, I seem to recall our giving Rogue a hard time about his Angry Captain America sketch as well. Happy Cap turned out to be such a disturbing image (with all the butterflies and Cap's drug induced smile) that I think I'll just let it slide.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    I had some useless paper to get rid of and ran across a piece of green board that was tempting to work on...I did this sketch in about 20-30 minutes and with the exception of that DP guy that hangs out in here, no one will really care... :D

    Thought that I would experiment with different mediums...Trust me, the actual pic looks alot more vivid and cool.



    gl.jpg
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    That "DP guy" is most impressed. If nobody else wants it, I'll be sure to give it a good home. ;)

    Just one thing Rogue, since being revived, Hal has lost the grey sideburns (I always thought they gave him character but what do I know). Now he is once again a dashing young stud ... just like me. :))
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    Yeah, I've always preferred Hal with the powdered sideburns myself since it gave him such a distinction from the other superheroes. That's the way that I always draw him at comic conventions that I do; the fans seem to prefer that look too so you're not alone.

    You'll be glad to know that Little Hal, which sets pretty much smiling on my supply table, inspired me to do this spur of the moment pic. :D
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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    TonyDP wrote:
    That "DP guy" is most impressed. If nobody else wants it, I'll be sure to give it a good home. ;)


    You know I love ya and you're welcome to the pic, Tony, I know how big you are on GL...but.....


    Little Hal & I have been talking and he was really upset that you disrespected him when making your JL: The New Frontier purchase. He feels slighted and less than nothing being that you are a huge fan of the character and you didn't want to have a copy of him on your shelf...so he's proposing this to you...



    You have to have this in your sig for a week (7 days):

    ACUAMAN.gif

    AQUAMAN IS TOTALLY AWESOME & I WAS TOTALLY WRONG ABOUT HIM.

    -TonyDP-

    Then and only then will Little Hal be pleased and let bygones be bygones. Hal has spoken. :D :)) :)) :))
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    You are a very cruel man Rogue. Looking at that GIF for a week might cause me to have an epileptic fit. But fine, I'll take one for the team and add it my sig tonight. And now that I know how to create these animated GIFs, I'll have to come up with something more suitable going forward. :v

    And just for the record, little Hal wasn't available with the BluRay edition.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    Had insomnia pretty bad last night and I decided to to stay up and doodle this little piece before hitting the pillow again... ;)

    HAPPY HOUR TONY!



    drinkingstark.jpg
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  • PendragonPendragon ColoradoPosts: 2,640MI6 Agent
    the brand name made me LOL pretty hard, Rouge!
    excellent work!

    ~Pen -{
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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    Thanks for the support and comps, Pen. -{


    Last week my buddy from Massachusetts went to the New York Con and unbeknownst to me, carried alot of pieces of mine that he inked including comic pages he's currently doing of mine.

    According to him, I got alot of great feedback from what was presented including my idol NEAL ADAMS! From what I was told, Adams was ripping new a**holes on aspiring artists' portfolios at his table sending potentials with their heads down or puzzled. My buddy showed him my stuff and asked Adams to be straightfoward about what was wrong with it...he told me Adams smiled while taking his time to look at each page and thought they looked great.
    I did not expect that from him knowing his penchant to cut those down who want to get into the biz. He's just pretentious and weird like that so he's the last person I'd take my work to. But he liked my stuff! {[]

    As did Joe Sinnott, Jim Califiore, Bernie Wrightson, Jim Starlin, Jim Lee and others. I may have a connection or two coming up BUT nothing, I mean nothing is etched in stone. At this point, I'm just excited about the news and wanted to share. Believe me, I could show you alot of turndown letters that I've gotten over the years including many from DC & Marvel. :))

    If nothing else,at least I'm headed in the right direction. B-)

    Here's a pinup that I'm getting inked this week. I did this one during a little downtime...


    mike_williams_batman.jpg

    Hope you guys like it. ;)
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    Nice pinup and story about Neal Adams Rogue. Also like your Tony Stark ad for RotGut, although the arched eyebrow and angular features give him a somewhat sinister look. You must have been in "Civil War" mode when you drew it. :D
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    TonyDP wrote:
    Nice pinup and story about Neal Adams Rogue.

    Y'know I still don't half-believe my friend, Tony. The nightmares that I've heard from others who've come across Adams have been less than encouraging. That being said, my friend usually shoots from the hip and tells it like it is.

    It's just not like him to outwardly lie to spare my feelings. He would put it in a gentler way and just told me. :))


    Also like your Tony Stark ad for RotGut, although the arched eyebrow and angular features give him a somewhat sinister look. You must have been in "Civil War" mode when you drew it. :D


    Yeah...maybe I was. I'm trying my best to channel the Tony Stark that I grew up with but the better part of this decade has me a little jaded on the guy.

    The only things I like about him nowadays is the Casear haircut and goatee which I prefer doing when I draw him; he always looked too much like a porn actor back in the 70s with the hair and sleazy mustasche.
    Do you remember that he used to wear those blouse-like silk shirts & boots with his pantlegs stuffed down in them? :))

    Thank you, man.


    BTW...I just noticed...what's up with changing the wording in your sig? :v
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Do you remember that he used to wear those blouse-like silk shirts & boots with his pantlegs stuffed down in them? :))

    I do seem to recall the thin moustache and "riding outfits" as I called them. It was the 70's Rogue; I guess that stuff was fashionable back then.
    RogueAgent wrote:
    BTW...I just noticed...what's up with changing the wording in your sig? :v

    I have no idea what you're talking about. I can't help it if Aquaman keeps changing his telepathic message. I'm sure it'll change again over the next few days... :v
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    TonyDP wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Do you remember that he used to wear those blouse-like silk shirts & boots with his pantlegs stuffed down in them? :))

    I do seem to recall the thin moustache and "riding outfits" as I called them. It was the 70's Rogue; I guess that stuff was fashionable back then.


    Speaking of which:



    kidwork.jpg


    :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

    My son loves these old books I did as a child but I just cringe nowadays at some of the dialogue I put in them. I was no more than 11-12 years old. Thank God that I discovered girls shortly after this...

    The good ol' 70s. B-)
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited April 2008
    RogueAgent wrote:
    My son loves these old books I did as a child but I just cringe nowadays at some of the dialogue I put in them. I was no more than 11-12 years old. Thank God that I discovered girls shortly after this...

    The good ol' 70s. B-)

    As much as I'm impressed by your artwork - 11 or 12 years old, sheesh! - your penmanship here is even more impressive to me as it's neater than what I can write today. I learned type when I was 11 or 12 because I couldn't write neatly to save my life. Even today, most people have a hard time reading my scrawls. I also like the asterisked references to previous issues. Very Marvel.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited April 2008
    RogueAgent wrote:
    ...Adams smiled while taking his time to look at each page and thought they looked great.

    I did not expect that from him knowing his penchant to cut those down who want to get into the biz. He's just pretentious and weird like that so he's the last person I'd take my work to. But he liked my stuff! {[]

    As did Joe Sinnott, Jim Califiore, Bernie Wrightson, Jim Starlin, Jim Lee and others. I may have a connection or two coming up BUT nothing, I mean nothing is etched in stone. At this point, I'm just excited about the news and wanted to share.

    Wow, congratulations, my friend! You certainly deserve it. Just my luck, though---Oscar Jade won't be able to afford you :# :p {[]
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Believe me, I could show you alot of turndown letters that I've gotten over the years including many from DC & Marvel. :))

    I know that song by heart...it's got a good beat and you can dance to it B-)
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  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    I LOVE that Batman pinup. My god, that is I think your coolest Batman yet.
  • PendragonPendragon ColoradoPosts: 2,640MI6 Agent
    much love for the Bats pinup, Rouge! it's amazing

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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    Thank you all. I'm glad you approve of the Bats pinup.

    In between doing other art projects, I'm sketching up a series of Marvel Vs. DC pinups featuring matchups of formidible characters on both sides of the fence. They will be inked and colored to add to my portfolio.

    So far I've loosely thumbnailed:


    Superman vs. Sentry

    Iron Man vs. S.T.R.I.P.E.

    Wonder Woman vs. Ms. Marvel

    Catwoman vs. Black Cat

    Dr. Strange vs. Dr. Fate

    Wolverine vs. Lobo


    I'd be glad to take on any suggestions for REASONABLE square-offs from you guys. B-)
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Thank you all. I'm glad you approve of the Bats pinup.

    In between doing other art projects, I'm sketching up a series of Marvel Vs. DC pinups featuring matchups of formidible characters on both sides of the fence. They will be inked and colored to add to my portfolio.

    So far I've loosely thumbnailed:


    Superman vs. Sentry

    Iron Man vs. S.T.R.I.P.E.

    Wonder Woman vs. Ms. Marvel

    Catwoman vs. Black Cat

    Dr. Strange vs. Dr. Fate

    Wolverine vs. Lobo


    I'd be glad to take on any suggestions for REASONABLE square-offs from you guys. B-)

    Knowing your fondness for DC, I assume the Marvel guys (especially Sentry) are on the losing end, am I right? :v

    Just as an FYI, that Marvel vs. DC crossover from the early 90's had a Wolverine vs. Lobo contest in it.

    Would Aquaman vs. Namor be too obvious a matchup?

    You may also want to throw in a heel vs. heel matchup: how about Thanos vs. Darkseid?

    I don't know if this is beyond the scope of your project, but how about the Green Lantern Corps. vs. Galactus (come to think of it, that would make a pretty cool crossover event).
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