Tie knot

Matt S · September 2006

With what knot does Bond use to tie his neck tie? I am well aware that he doesn't use the Windsor knot. I don't recall any mention other than that in the novels, but in the movies is there any scene where you see him tie his tie? I don't remember any off the top of my head. I do remember seeing Brosnan tie his tie in Remington Steele in the fifth episode. I have it on DVD. It is difficult to see what he is doing because his back is turned, but it appears to be the half windsor knot. From what I could see it looked as if he was tying a full windsor, but the knot ended up quite small, and it was a knit tie. Thanks for any insight you can give me.

Mr Martini · September 2006

I don't know what type of tie he tied, but there is a site to tell you how to tie a tie. There's 4 links on the left side. Hope this helps some:

http://www.tie-a-tie.net/

Jones · September 2006

If you look carefully at the knot, in FRWL, he is tying a four-in-hand knot, but in TB, he uses the Windsor knot, you can tell by it's rebust look, andI think Brosnan Bond uses the full WIndsor, also.

jm29 · December 2006

Jones wrote:

If you look carefully at the knot, in FRWL, he is tying a four-in-hand knot, but in TB, he uses the Windsor knot, you can tell by it's rebust look, andI think Brosnan Bond uses the full WIndsor, also.

Bill Tanner · December 2006

Someone asked me this once before, and I can't agree on the Brosnan/Windsor knot.

As far as I can tell it's a standard knot but the width of the tie and the weight of some of the woven silks in his ties produced a much larger knot. The shapes though are all very triangular (wide top, narrow bottom), whereas a Windsor knot gives a noticeably squarer shape.

(Edit: there's no Windsor knot in TB, either).

Bond_James_Bond · December 2006

Bond NEVER wears a Half Windsor or Windsor knot - always "four in hand" - it#s in the novels somewhere - Bond never trusts any man wearing a Windsor knot.

Matt S · December 2006

Bill Tanner wrote:

Someone asked me this once before, and I can't agree on the Brosnan/Windsor knot.

As far as I can tell it's a standard knot but the width of the tie and the weight of some of the woven silks in his ties produced a much larger knot. The shapes though are all very triangular (wide top, narrow bottom), whereas a Windsor knot gives a noticeably squarer shape.

(Edit: there's no Windsor knot in TB, either).

I agree about TB. In DN and OHMSS the knot looks like a Windsor knot. It is symetrical. It clearly isn't a 4-in-hand. Brosnan's knot in his first two films is a 4-in-hand, but in his last two it looks like a windsor knot to me.

PoorMansJB · December 2006

Fleming did specify a 4-in-hand and knowing Terence Young, Connery almost certainly wore that. The dressers might have used full Windsors on Moore or Brosnan as it's easier to tie and have become the more common knot over time.

Bond would not only not use a half Windsor, no one would ever use one on film: They look awful. I just saw Blair being interviewed and he had a half Windsor ... no wonder he's being forced out of office!

Matt S · December 2006

I would not agree that the full winsor is easier to tie. It invovles more steps than the four-in-hand. I am quite sure that Bond wears a windsor knot in DN, OHMSS, and DAF. These are all symmetrical and not elongated as the four-in-hand knot is. After looking all the films over, I think all of the other films feature a four-in-hand, even the large knots in Moore's films (he had large ties).

highhopes · December 2006

I can't say I've paid much attention to how Bond ties his ties in the movies, but the four-in-hand is the only way to go, both in real life and the novels. The trouble with the Windsor, even the single, is that the knot is huge and many ties are just not suited either by length or fabric for it.

Matt S · December 2006

highhopes wrote:

I can't say I've paid much attention to how Bond ties his ties in the movies, but the four-in-hand is the only way to go, both in real life and the novels. The trouble with the Windsor, even the single, is that the knot is huge and many ties are just not suited either by length or fabric for it.

Connery's ties in Dr. No were thin enough for the Windsor knot, but not long enough. You can see in Dr. No how short Connery's ties are. They don't even come close to his trousers. Plus, he is also a tall man.

PoorMansJB · December 2006

Curious just how much interest there is in this ...

http://forums.men.style.com/message.jspa?messageID=286642

shayonags · February 2008

Oh! This is an interesting thing! Well, I never noticed Bond so carefully with a particular tie-knot. But have seen him with a bow-tie in the movies, I guess! Anybody can match his ties with the 15 different tie-knots that i saw in one website that teaches how to tie a tie and that site is http://www.2tieatie.com.

A7ce · February 2008

Imagine getting ready for work in the morning and the Mrs shouts 'hurry up, what are you doing', and u reply back from the bedroom 'a 4-in-hand'.

Silence on drive to work.

Smoke_13 · February 2008

I've been a user of the 'Four in Hand' for years now. I had no idea what it was called. I had no idea Bond wore his tie that way. In fact, I tought myself to tie that knot because my father showed me a full windsor when I was young and I just couldn't get it.

But it is true what they say, "It's simple to tie, functional, sharp, and suitable for every occasion." Remarkable, I had no idea just how darned stylish I was.

Mr Martini · February 2008

Smoke_13 wrote:

I've been a user of the 'Four in Hand' for years now. I had no idea what it was called. I had no idea Bond wore his tie that way. In fact, I tought myself to tie that knot because my father showed me a full windsor when I was young and I just couldn't get it.

But it is true what they say, "It's simple to tie, functional, sharp, and suitable for every occasion." Remarkable, I had no idea just how darned stylish I was.

A few days after re-reading this thread my co-workers were giving me grief about how I tie my tie. I told them I do a 4 in hand tie. One co-worker told me I couldn't wear my tie that way, I had to tie it in a Windsor knot. I quipped back, "If the four in hand is good enough for James Bond, it's good enough for me." He rolled his eyes and walked away. nothing more has been said. I might be 32 years old, but even i can act like a four year old when I want.

SIS7777 · July 2008

I agree that the 4-in-hand is the only way to go. Thats how i learned to tie my tie, and thats how i do it. A couple of times I used a half-windsor, it is too hard to remember, and really doesn't look any better.

urhash · July 2008

There's actually a BBC interview where Connery talks specifically about the style of the early films and specifically mentions Windsor knots as part of the 'look' (in addition to the button turnback cuffs, shoes from Lobb's, etc).

As for Brosnan, he generally seems to tend toward four-in-hand knots during his tenure. All the knots have a bit of unevenness and asymmetry in their shape suggesting a four-in-hand.

lg007 · January 2009

Bond clearly said in the novel 'From Russia With Love' that he mistrusted men with Windsor knots because he saw it as unnecessarily bold. He said this upon meeting Red Grant in the train station.

urhash · January 2009

And?

Mr_Ice · January 2009

4 in hand.

I generally go by the books where there is a specific reference to whatever Bondness I'm thinking about, but that's just me. Thing is, you mostly see Fleming wearing a bow tie!

I can tie a 4 in hand while I'm still half asleep. I can't tie Windsor with full alertness, diagrams and tech support rep helping me.

urhash · January 2009

I like the idea of Bond using a four in hand (as well as when its used in the movies)... it injects a bit of working class into Bond despite the expensive tailored clothing, which I think would be in keeping with the character. (ie. when Vesper says Bond wears his clothes with disdain) I find the use of the divers watches with the suits (Submariners, Seamasters) to convey a similar effect.

Bond SHOULD be a bit of an elitist snob, but not one born to his tastes but having earned his way to it.

dak212us · February 2009

Personally I find the four in hand inconsistent although simple. It never comes out satisfactory a high percentage of time when most men tie it and often, it's downright sloppy.

I've seen several publicity photos of Craig with a four in hand that looks too perfect for the avg. guy to tie themselves. When it looks that good it's obvious a wardrobe assistant tied it for him.

If I see an avg. guy in a four in hand that looks that good I think he's probably prissy and tried it several times to get it right.

The half windsor produces a nice, even & consistent knot every time. It may take an extra step or two but I'd rather learn that then have to tie a FIH ten 3 times to get it right.

I find the full windsor too bulky.

urhash · February 2009

Brosnan's tie knots in TWINE = Complete Perfection.

DDA007 · February 2009

I am fairly sure that he is tying Pratt knots in the two most recent. If they aren't Pratt's then they are the most symmetrical 4-in-Hand knots I've ever seen.

I was playing around tying some ties the other day, and I think they look so perfect because they are "wrapped" an extra time around the knot.

OleTT · May 2010

I know that this topic is over a year old, but i really hope you guys ( or someone else here ) can help me out.

I am very obsessed with this tie stuff, but i can't seem to find any proper way to tie any of the knots mentioned ( 4-in-hand, Half/double/full Windsor ). I just find some pictures and videos on the internett who show it different each time.

So could someone please post a link to a some sort of proper tutorial?

Thanks, OleTT

Mr Martini · May 2010

OleTT wrote:

I know that this topic is over a year old, but i really hope you guys ( or someone else here ) can help me out.

I am very obsessed with this tie stuff, but i can't seem to find any proper way to tie any of the knots mentioned ( 4-in-hand, Half/double/full Windsor ). I just find some pictures and videos on the internett who show it different each time.

So could someone please post a link to a some sort of proper tutorial?

Thanks, OleTT

Did you try the link I posted in the second post of this thread?

OleTT · May 2010

Mr Martini wrote:

OleTT wrote:

I know that this topic is over a year old, but i really hope you guys ( or someone else here ) can help me out.

I am very obsessed with this tie stuff, but i can't seem to find any proper way to tie any of the knots mentioned ( 4-in-hand, Half/double/full Windsor ). I just find some pictures and videos on the internett who show it different each time.

So could someone please post a link to a some sort of proper tutorial?

Thanks, OleTT

Did you try the link I posted in the second post of this thread?

Cheers mate

Frigiliana · May 2010

I used this knot at a wedding i went to recently looked good don't know if it would qualify as a Bond knot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9llIP5aH0XY

Tie knot

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