This is a long time coming, CR--and Craig--look to be a hit, at least with the critics (and soon to be at the box office, betcha). Perspective be damned, I'm gonna hop about like a mad hoppy thing!
Well okay, maybe not that, but I think some celebration is appropriate, even this week due to the reviews, the PR machine, etc. With all the dumpage that's happened this past year, some reactionary Booyahs are to be expected, IMO.
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
edited November 2006
Bond vs Borat?
Borat is a 'renter.'
My cash is on 007...literally. :007)
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I don't think that CR will make more than $30-35 million in its opening weekend. I think it will be very successful but to argue that it will be as successful as Borat (or DAD) is IMO ludicrous. Also, I think that the only women who might be tempted to see CR are those who don't already dislike Bond. My best friend hates Bond and there is no way she is coming with me to see CR, love story or no love story.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Well, I'll tell you, if EON want to make as much (or at least almost as much) money off of a future Bond film then they need to bring Pierce Brosnan back for Bond 22. If they were to bring Brosnan back and were to play-up the "you were expecting someone else?" trailers and commercials once again, then they might be able to make DAD type money?
Sean Connery was mostly unknown when he was hired as Bond, Moore was a very popular choice overall, but when you think about it there has never been an actor who was a fan favorite going in to the series as Pierce Brosnan was/is.
But this is assuming that Craig is not popular in his first outing. If he is popular (which I believe he will be) then Brosnan may look weak in comparison.
Why should he get over it? Or me? Glidrose, you criticise cnb for being horribly abusive but being dismissive like this and trying to make people conform to your views (some people wether you like it or not, simply do not like Craig) is not all that different. 8-)
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Dan, I think what gildrose is picking up on is, Eye is completely dismissive of Craig as Bond--that in the face of the truly spectacular reviews he's getting in the role. I mean does saying EON should bring back Brosnan to make any money sound at all...well, reasonable to you? Really, at this point? Folks can like Brosnan all they want, but it sure looks as if EON's captured something special with Craig and CR...
Why should he get over it? Or me? Glidrose, you criticise cnb for being horribly abusive but being dismissive like this and trying to make people conform to your views (some people wether you like it or not, simply do not like Craig) is not all that different. 8-)
But Dan, as it stands right now Brosnan is gone as Bond. I appreciate you are a fan of his films, but his time has passed. You either try and accept it and move on, or don't accept it and don't move on.
But Dan, as it stands right now Brosnan is gone as Bond. I appreciate you are a fan of his films, but his time has passed. You either try and accept it and move on, or don't accept it and don't move on.
I don't know what else I can say....
But it's not about accepting it. Telling someone to get over it in the way that you did is incredibly dismissive. When Brosnan became Bond, I would never have told anyone who was a Dalton fan (even if that person was asking for it) to GET OVER IT. It's dismissive, mean and not all that different to cnb.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Rude, yes; but dismissive- well of course. How can you not dismiss the idea out of hand- there's no way it would happen. This isn't like Connery coming back- the producers don't want to go down that road again at the moment. And they've shown us that simply earning cash out of this isn't important so just getting him back to make a quick buck isn't something they'd do. It's not going to happen- he's too old.
Rude, yes; but dismissive- well of course. How can you not dismiss the idea out of hand- there's no way it would happen. This isn't like Connery coming back- the producers don't want to go down that road again at the moment. And they've shown us that simply earning cash out of this isn't important so just getting him back to make a quick buck isn't something they'd do. It's not going to happen- he's too old.
Well, my issue with it isn't wether it's going to happen. I don't like it as it is rude and dismissive. EOTT expressed his feelings and wether or not they are realistic, I don't think that Glidrose's reaction was particularly nice.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Yes Dan- I agree it was rude, but my point about the dismissive aspect was that it's hard not be dismissive; that's why I explained why it's such a bad idea and why it's never going to happen. That was the point of my post.
Yes Dan- I agree it was rude, but my point about the dismissive aspect was that it's hard not be dismissive; that's why I explained why it's such a bad idea and why it's never going to happen. That was the point of my post.
What are we arguing about? ?:) As it was quite rude and dismissive, I don't think it was an appropiate response. If this was GE, I would not say the same thing in the way it was said, to a Dalton fan. Saying Brosnan is gone - GET OVER IT!!!! is IMO almost as bad as cnb.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Dan- please read what I'm writing: yes it was rude- I agree- that was inappropriate. But the dismissive aspect is understandable as it's such a ridiculous thing to suggest- for the reasons I outlined above. That's why I would be dismissive of the idea too.
Dan- please read what I'm writing: yes it was rude- I agree- that was inappropriate. But the dismissive aspect is understandable as it's such a ridiculous thing to suggest- for the reasons I outlined above. That's why I would be dismissive of the idea too.
We're going around in circles and I am reading what you are writing. I simply would not have done what Glidrose did as I don't think it was appropiate and I don't think it matters how ridiculous EOTT's idea was. I do not thin it was understandable why Glidrose would be so dismissive. You do not seem to have a problem with what Glidrose said as you believe EOTT's idea was ridiculous which in your view warrented the dismissiveness. Have I clarified your position?
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Guys, there are plenty of women who think the opposite as well. It isn't like every single woman is in love with Craig, let's calm down a bit.
Speaking for myself, a Bond fan for thirty years --I've noticed more interest from women in a new Bond movie than any Bond movie in my memory. Because of Daniel Craig.
Women have never asked to go with me to see a Bond movie in the past. Not with any of the Brosnan films. Not ever. With CASINO ROYALE? I've got two seperate dates planned, one with a woman who says she's never even seen a Bond movie before. I stress to add: THEY ASKED ME.
Whatever EON is doing with this movie, can we have more please?
A chick flick?!? I guess the scene where Bond gets his genitals whacked is some sort of feminist statement. . .?
I think it'll be the most favorably received Bond film by women in quite a long time...there's got to be somewhere where statistics like that are tracked, no? I may be wrong, JMHO.
I honestly don't know how you can say that in a serious way!!! OK, maybe there are some women who find Daniel Craig attractive? But if you think that the majority of women like Craig as much as they do Brosnan then you are simply delusional!
CR is supposed to be more violent than most of the other Bond films, right?
Most women I know are not big on violence.
So if they know that there's more violence and they don't think that Bond is particularly attractive I just don't see them rushing out to see the film.
Maybe it's just the women I know but their all looking forward to it because Craig looks like such a tough guy. He looks like if there's any trouble, he'll take care of it in due course.
Dan- please read what I'm writing: yes it was rude- I agree- that was inappropriate. But the dismissive aspect is understandable as it's such a ridiculous thing to suggest- for the reasons I outlined above. That's why I would be dismissive of the idea too.
We're going around in circles and I am reading what you are writing. I simply would not have done what Glidrose did as I don't think it was appropiate and I don't think it matters how ridiculous EOTT's idea was. I do not thin it was understandable why Glidrose would be so dismissive. You do not seem to have a problem with what Glidrose said as you believe EOTT's idea was ridiculous which in your view warrented the dismissiveness. Have I clarified your position?
Just to add my point here, apologies if my GET OVER IT was rude. Guess this was more to do with the person I was aiming it at, rather than targeting all Brosnan fans in general.
Apologies Dan if it offended you, but I'm not apologising to what I said to the individual in question, as I am finding it hard to be tolerable with him, due to his pro CnB stance (I cannot tolerate anyone who endorses such offensive behaviour) so I guess my posts to him will come across as rude.
a quote in my local evening paper from daniel craig,which may or may not have been mentioned here before.to the small number of people on this site who want cr to bomb(you know who you are) "i've given 100% on this.i've given everything i could.if people don't like it,stuff them" that's telling them danny boy.
I have to say, if CR turns out to be great, and Craig is as great as the critics are making him out to be up to this point, I wonder if it is possible that Dan, Barry, and others will come around to them despite their testaments that this is impossible for them?
As for Eye... I think we should lay off of him now. He hates Craig, he wants Brosnan, and that's fine. But if CR turns out to be a huge success, and he continues to say that Brosnan needs to be brought back for the financial sake of the franchise, THEN he deserves the full brunt of call-out force.
As for Dan... he's just one of those crazy right-wing Queenslanders.
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By the way, more girls are seeing Borat than guys that I know. I know I can't generalize, but I'm just saying that Borat, while not a chick flick, does attract a LARGE amount of the female population.
a quote in my local evening paper from daniel craig,which may or may not have been mentioned here before.to the small number of people on this site who want cr to bomb(you know who you are) "i've given 100% on this.i've given everything i could.if people don't like it,stuff them" that's telling them danny boy.
That is a fairly old piece if my (waning) memory serves me.
Nevertheless, I think his comments are perfectly aposite. He has given all he can and I think that is all anyone can ask.
Now a quick moderator comment: please try not to read anything into comments. There is a lot of history in these pages and between the members, but everyone must remember that this is first and foremost a Bond fan forum. Please keep the posts and comments civil, constructive and intelligent.
Please remember about AJB:
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It is not a Pierce Brosnan forum
It is not a Sean Connery forum
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superadoRegent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
Well, in the spirit of being non-partisan here, if not at the polls today, if Bond and Borat opened on the same day, Borat would cream Bond at the box office no matter who's playing him! ) Renter or not, Borat is the sensation of the moment, sadly a reflection of the times and is a more accurate reflection of society today than Bond. Imagine if it were the 60's, it would be comparing Bond with Peter Sellers, which did happen
*NOTE:The above statements are consistent with superado's post in the "Eccentric Bond Opinions" thread.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
Well, in the spirit of being non-partisan here, if not at the polls today, if Bond and Borat opened on the same day, Borat would cream Bond at the box office no matter who's playing him! )
Would it, though? Borat made $26 million I believe and DAD made $40-odd, didn't it?
I know Borat's on less screens, but you didn't say that; and I'm not sure it works just scaling up by the number of screens (Santa Clause opened on 3,500, which would mean if you scaled up Borat by roughly 4 times to be on the same number of screens it would make $104 million; which isn't likely is it?).
superadoRegent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
Well, in the spirit of being non-partisan here, if not at the polls today, if Bond and Borat opened on the same day, Borat would cream Bond at the box office no matter who's playing him! )
Would it, though? Borat made $26 million I believe and DAD made $40-odd, didn't it?
I know Borat's on less screens, but you didn't say that; and I'm not sure it works just scaling up by the number of screens (Santa Clause opened on 3,500, which would mean if you scaled up Borat by roughly 4 times to be on the same number of screens it would make $104 million; which isn't likely is it?).
No, I didn't mention the number of screens, though it would not be fair to keep that out of such an assumption. I'll remember your legalistic attention to details in issues the next time and conceive every possible scenario permutation before posting To make this hypothetical match fair, which movie would have better box office given the same marketing budget as Borat? What about the same question with the same production budget as Borat? I suppose you might say that these are comparisons to apples to oranges, but I wonder which film would fair better in terms of return on investment, which is an equitable measure of success as you can get.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
Just to add my point here, apologies if my GET OVER IT was rude. Guess this was more to do with the person I was aiming it at, rather than targeting all Brosnan fans in general.
Apologies Dan if it offended you, but I'm not apologising to what I said to the individual in question, as I am finding it hard to be tolerable with him, due to his pro CnB stance (I cannot tolerate anyone who endorses such offensive behaviour) so I guess my posts to him will come across as rude.
Thanks, and I do understand how you feel.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I have to say, if CR turns out to be great, and Craig is as great as the critics are making him out to be up to this point, I wonder if it is possible that Dan, Barry, and others will come around to them despite their testaments that this is impossible for them?
There are two issues here. The first is in regards to the critics. As you yourself stated in another thread, 'using popularity as a basis for truth is illegitimate.' At the end of the day, the only thing I will care about is what I personally think when I see CR on 9/12/06. So really, the critics may love (or hate) Craig and CR, but it doesn't mean anything to me.
As for Craig, I don't think it is possible that I will consider Craig to be great as I know him too well. However, that's now an old issue. My focus now is enjoying CR even though I am not happy with the lead. It is possible for me to do so, as I love OHMSS even though I find Lazenby's performance to be less than ideal.
As for Dan... he's just one of those crazy right-wing Queenslanders.
Is there another Dan on this site I don't know about?
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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This is a long time coming, CR--and Craig--look to be a hit, at least with the critics (and soon to be at the box office, betcha). Perspective be damned, I'm gonna hop about like a mad hoppy thing!
Well okay, maybe not that, but I think some celebration is appropriate, even this week due to the reviews, the PR machine, etc. With all the dumpage that's happened this past year, some reactionary Booyahs are to be expected, IMO.
Borat is a 'renter.'
My cash is on 007...literally. :007)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I don't think that CR will make more than $30-35 million in its opening weekend. I think it will be very successful but to argue that it will be as successful as Borat (or DAD) is IMO ludicrous. Also, I think that the only women who might be tempted to see CR are those who don't already dislike Bond. My best friend hates Bond and there is no way she is coming with me to see CR, love story or no love story.
But this is assuming that Craig is not popular in his first outing. If he is popular (which I believe he will be) then Brosnan may look weak in comparison.
Brosnan is gone - GET OVER IT!!!!
But Dan, as it stands right now Brosnan is gone as Bond. I appreciate you are a fan of his films, but his time has passed. You either try and accept it and move on, or don't accept it and don't move on.
I don't know what else I can say....
Is there no level of ridiculousness you would be dismissive of, Dan?
Women have never asked to go with me to see a Bond movie in the past. Not with any of the Brosnan films. Not ever. With CASINO ROYALE? I've got two seperate dates planned, one with a woman who says she's never even seen a Bond movie before. I stress to add: THEY ASKED ME.
Whatever EON is doing with this movie, can we have more please?
Just to add my point here, apologies if my GET OVER IT was rude. Guess this was more to do with the person I was aiming it at, rather than targeting all Brosnan fans in general.
Apologies Dan if it offended you, but I'm not apologising to what I said to the individual in question, as I am finding it hard to be tolerable with him, due to his pro CnB stance (I cannot tolerate anyone who endorses such offensive behaviour) so I guess my posts to him will come across as rude.
As for Eye... I think we should lay off of him now. He hates Craig, he wants Brosnan, and that's fine. But if CR turns out to be a huge success, and he continues to say that Brosnan needs to be brought back for the financial sake of the franchise, THEN he deserves the full brunt of call-out force.
As for Dan... he's just one of those crazy right-wing Queenslanders.
That is a fairly old piece if my (waning) memory serves me.
Nevertheless, I think his comments are perfectly aposite. He has given all he can and I think that is all anyone can ask.
Now a quick moderator comment: please try not to read anything into comments. There is a lot of history in these pages and between the members, but everyone must remember that this is first and foremost a Bond fan forum. Please keep the posts and comments civil, constructive and intelligent.
Please remember about AJB:
It is not a Daniel Craig forum
It is not a Pierce Brosnan forum
It is not a Sean Connery forum
etc etc, you get my point.
Well, in the spirit of being non-partisan here, if not at the polls today, if Bond and Borat opened on the same day, Borat would cream Bond at the box office no matter who's playing him!
*NOTE: The above statements are consistent with superado's post in the "Eccentric Bond Opinions" thread.
Would it, though? Borat made $26 million I believe and DAD made $40-odd, didn't it?
I know Borat's on less screens, but you didn't say that; and I'm not sure it works just scaling up by the number of screens (Santa Clause opened on 3,500, which would mean if you scaled up Borat by roughly 4 times to be on the same number of screens it would make $104 million; which isn't likely is it?).
No, I didn't mention the number of screens, though it would not be fair to keep that out of such an assumption. I'll remember your legalistic attention to details in issues the next time and conceive every possible scenario permutation before posting
As for Craig, I don't think it is possible that I will consider Craig to be great as I know him too well. However, that's now an old issue. My focus now is enjoying CR even though I am not happy with the lead. It is possible for me to do so, as I love OHMSS even though I find Lazenby's performance to be less than ideal.
Is there another Dan on this site I don't know about?