Nudity in CR
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I am reliably informed that there were supposed to have been more sex scenes and nudity in CR that were either cut or never filmed at all.
Apart from the effect on the BBFC rating (or international equivalents) do we think that it was right for these to be dropped or is there any basis on which we, being the viewing public, thought they were needed??? Needed as in not just for people to see naked flesh btw
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I can't think of any reason why more sex/nudity scenes would be needed and it begs the question as to why these were written into the script when the makers had a target audience in mind and needed to keep this film the right side of the 15 rating here.
Apart from the effect on the BBFC rating (or international equivalents) do we think that it was right for these to be dropped or is there any basis on which we, being the viewing public, thought they were needed??? Needed as in not just for people to see naked flesh btw
)I can't think of any reason why more sex/nudity scenes would be needed and it begs the question as to why these were written into the script when the makers had a target audience in mind and needed to keep this film the right side of the 15 rating here.
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I'm sure the producers cut furiously to get the U.S. PG-13. For example, DAD's sex scene in other countries contains a few more thrusts than the domestic version.
Quite a reviews I've seen feel that CR should have gotten an R based on the violence. I'm sure there was some serious whittling to tone it down.
Well, you could always see "The Dreamers". I think they show just about every inch of Eva Green. And I do mean every inch.
Goddamn shame if it was.
Personally, I wouldn't have minded seeing Caterina Murino in some of this "cut" nude footage.
Are you serious? Caterina exuded sex appeal; much moreso than Eva Green IMHO. Of course, being Italian, I always had a preference for that mediterranean look.
Getting back to topic though, nudity is very taboo in America and much more likely to get a film slapped with an "R" rating than excessive violence. I'll bet securing a PG-13 rating was part of the reason the flesh quotient was kept to a minimum.
Your info was right, there were supposed to be a lot more sex and nudity that obviously didn't make it in because of the rating.
Vesper was supposed to also be nude in the torture scene sitting like Bond was. She was in the other room, so we were supposed to only see her back, and then Valenka closes the door.
MNL is right too, Vesper and Bond are naked on the yacht, and he was supposed to carry her out of the hold, his arms conveniently covering her private parts. Then he playfully flings her in the water and dives in after her. They could have easily done that without a nipple or nether region exposed.
Also in the script, they are naked in bed in the Venitian Hotel, and Bond grabs her wanting yet another go, and she pushes him off saying "Enough! I can barely walk as it is!" Now I knew that line wouldn't see the light of day in a Bond film, so I wasn't surprised about that!
As for Solange, she was supposed to be on the floor with Bond in just her bra and high heels, and he in just an open shirt, so it was clear they just had sex. In the movie she still had her gown on, even with the criss cross back perfectly in tact, so to me, it didn't look like they had done it yet. That was a bit misleading, why they had them both fully clothed is beyond me.
So yeah, I think we did miss out on some nudity and sex that would have explained things better, and added a little more spice.
The original idea of Vesper barely clothed in the shower was also a bad one I think and would have detracted so much from the scene it is. I can't begin to imagine how much seeing a clearly distressed woman pointlessly semi naked would have changed the context of the scene and perhaps the film for me.
Playfully skinny dipping on a private yacht is hardly beyond gratuitous, it's not like they would have shown any body parts anyway. But the more scenes of them together would have helped to explain how they fell in love so quickly.
Personally I think that the cut of the film shown in cinemas was as hatcheted as it needed to be to get the biggest viewing audience and that the DVD or perhaps a directors cut version would be a good idea to fill in some of the gaps.
As for the nudity in general, eh it's Bond, they'll never go for it.
Definately agree about how they filmed the shower scene, that worked perfectly with Vesper in her evening gown IMO.
Who cares? I don't see how any of the stuff described above would make one iota of difference in the movie. Having Eva say Bond has worn her out sexually is an "old Bond" conceit that was tired back when Moore played the role.
And I have no interest watching actors frolicing around nude on yatches or simulating sex: it's virgin kicks as far as I'm concerned.
Real men take their porno hardcore.
HH when is Casino Rectale going into production??? {:)
I'm afraid I'd never get past the title. I racked by brain -- it was a small rack -- trying to come up with with a good X-rated one for CR, to no avail.
Well, for the threesome set, there's always Katrina, Roy an' Al. Or is that too much of a stretch?
Well...I guess I did, which was why I mentioned it.
Also curious what might be on the DVD that didn't make it on the big screen...
And that's fine, Monique. You're certainly not alone. For some people, it enhance the reality. I've just never really seen a nude scene in a movie that I felt really had to be there. And it always looks fake, to me. If they made it look real, it would never pass the ratings board. But it's just my opinion.
I'd rather double up on the violence