Worst Bond villain,

evilhenchmanevilhenchman U.S.Posts: 41MI6 Agent
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I may have to go with Carver, what about you?
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  • RJJBRJJB United StatesPosts: 346MI6 Agent
    edited November 2006
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  • InfernoInferno Posts: 45MI6 Agent
    One thing about Tomorrow Never Dies is I don't like the villains. Carver or his blonde henchman.

    They're boring. They have the "look" of badguys but maybe that's the problem. They don't seem like real people, but rather cartoons. How they look is the only thing I remember about them.
  • JennyFlexFanJennyFlexFan Posts: 1,497MI6 Agent
    Le Chiffre, hands down, all he did was cry blood which I always missed and look sour. He was not threatening at all.

    Carver's pretty bad too, Pryce is a great actor but he made Carver way too OTT, which bothered me.

    As is Franz Sanchez, because he was so run-of-the-mill and boring, small-time crook in a horrible movie.
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    Kristatos from FYEO is the bottom of the barrel for me. He has no presence or menace whatsoever, his scenes with Moore fall completely flat and for half of the film he isn't even revealed to be the villain.

    Locque makes for an equally forgettable henchman as he never really does anything other than stand (or sit) around. The whole silent thing didn't work since he could be made out talking to his underlings and that hat he wore while in Cortina made him look positively dorky.
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    Largo from Thunderball is the dullest villain IMHO. Boring at batsh*t.

    "Oo I'm wearing an eyepatch I must be a villain!"
  • k4r6000k4r6000 Posts: 4MI6 Agent
    Brad Whitaker. He only appears in like three scenes. He just doesn't do anything.
  • JennyFlexFanJennyFlexFan Posts: 1,497MI6 Agent
    delicious wrote:
    Largo from Thunderball is the dullest villain IMHO. Boring at batsh*t.

    "Oo I'm wearing an eyepatch I must be a villain!"

    Yes Largo does suck, old fat idiot gangster, his NSNA counterpart is way better.

    I also agree about Whitaker, very weak.

    However, Kristatos is one that has concealed menace, he is truly evil but while other villains take over-the-top delight in murdering Bond, he doesn't seem to care one way or the other, as long as he gets money from the Russians.

    I wrote on imdb about my opinion on Kristatos, I'll see if I can find it and post it.
  • CasinoChris75CasinoChris75 Posts: 80MI6 Agent
    As much as I like The Living Daylights, it has the series weakest villians. Brad Whitaker is obnoxious, and Georgi Koskov was not at all threatening.
  • Brosnan_fanBrosnan_fan Sydney, AustraliaPosts: 521MI6 Agent
    1. Max Zorin - very bland
    2. Brad Whitaker - hardly made an impression
    3. Charles Gray's Blofeld - uninteresting to say the least
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  • JamesbondjrJamesbondjr Posts: 462MI6 Agent
    Worst villain for me is Gustave Graves. I think Toby Steven's OTT performance in parts of the film ruins the character.

    The scene in which Graves is introduced at Buckingham palace is absolutely terrible.

    However, the swordfight I would rate with my favourite Bond scenes of all time.

    Close second to Graves is Whitaker. Joe Don Baker just redeems himself by way of Jack Wade. But his villain is awful.
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  • Tilly Masterson 007Tilly Masterson 007 UKPosts: 1,472MI6 Agent
    Vargas, very original but just not a good Bond villain IMO!

    Fiona Volpe wasn't that good either.
  • jbfreakjbfreak Posts: 144MI6 Agent
    Gustav Graves- He just sucked

    Max Zorin- I wouldn't have felt threatened

    Carver and Stamper- Boring
  • JennyFlexFanJennyFlexFan Posts: 1,497MI6 Agent
    jbfreak wrote:
    Gustav Graves- He just sucked

    Max Zorin- I wouldn't have felt threatened

    Carver and Stamper- Boring

    Zorin? Not threatened? Sure he looks young and dresses like your average businessman, but look at that psychotic hair with a shocking blond combed straight back! Also, man who will leave his lover to die and take hideous glee in killing people when it wasn't even important to!

    That, in my opinion, makes Zorin the BEST BOND VILLAIN EVER.
  • baccaretbaccaret Posts: 61MI6 Agent
    I would probably go with blofeld from daf, he was very un interesting
  • JennyFlexFanJennyFlexFan Posts: 1,497MI6 Agent
    Tilly Masterson 007 wrote:
    Vargas, very original but just not a good Bond villain IMO!

    Fiona Volpe wasn't that good either.

    Yes, everyone overrates Fiona like Casino Royale, she wasn't that great.
  • KGB with loveKGB with love Posts: 18MI6 Agent
    IMHO the worst Bond villain is Elliot Carver from TND... boring, forgetable
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    I'd go with Carver as well. However, Robert Carlyle as Renard in TWINE is just as bad.
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    largo, blofeld in every bond except OHMSS, carver, graves
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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:
    largo, blofeld in every bond except OHMSS, carver, graves



    I agree with you on Carver; he was simply wussy, heck anyone of us could have had his wife much less Bond but Largo? He was one of the more formidible baddies.


    Graves was at least ruthless although I didn't care for the comic-bookish transformation he took from demented Korean Colonel to British powermonger...
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Graves was at least ruthless although I didn't care for the comic-bookish transformation he took from demented Korean Colonel to British powermonger...
    I'm not suprised that you would have a problem with a comic-book element. :p
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Graves was at least ruthless although I didn't care for the comic-bookish transformation he took from demented Korean Colonel to British powermonger...
    I'm not suprised that you would have a problem with a comic-book element. :p



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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited December 2006
    Worst Bond villain? Easy. Graves. An absolute crybaby who inspires neither fear nor respect. The one scene which IMO represents him in all his childish glory was the fencing scene in which he acted like a total brat. I hate Graves and he is IMO the single worst Bond villain of all time.

    P.S. Many people have singled out Carver. While he isn't great, I prefer him to Graves because he didn't act so immaturely.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    edited December 2006
    In no special order:

    Carver

    Zorin

    Renard

    Colonel Moon aka "Gustav Graves"

    Scaramanga(only a puppet of Nick NacK)

    Nick Nack

    Jaws

    Mr.Big/Dr.Kanaga

    Mayday

    Colonel Zao

    Mr.Kil

    Whitaker

    Every Blofeld--except for the unseen version and Telly Savalas
  • Smoke_13Smoke_13 Kitchener Ont CanadaPosts: 285MI6 Agent
    Brad *yawn* Whitaker

    -nuff said there.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited December 2006
    I may be a minority on this, but I don't think the series has produced that many bad villains at all. Among the Connery films, I don't think there was a single bad villain; and this includes Donald Pleasance and Charles Grey. I don't think that the Moore years produced a single bad villain either; and this includes Zorin, Mayday and Nick Nack. I don't believe that either OHMSS or CR produced any bad villains. That just leaves the Dalton and Brosnan films which IMO produced the only four bad villains in the series: Whitaker, Carver, Renard and Graves.

    I have always felt that Whitaker was really boring. He is a major reason why TLD is among my least favourite films.

    Carver IMO was just a poor knockoff of Stromberg and Drax, both of whom are IMO among the greatest villains in the history of the Bond series.

    Renard could have been so much more, but the writers completely wasted the opportunity to make him a compelling character. An example is his inability to feel pain. Well, the only time that it was significant was the scene with the rock. Other than that, one could be mistaken for thinking that he had no such 'gift.'

    Finally there's Graves. I don't think any villain is as bad as Graves was. He was so terrible that I think DAD would still have been a disaster even if was directed by Terrence Young or Guy Hamilton.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • HankHank Posts: 37MI6 Agent
    I don't get the Renard hating. I thought he was actually one of the better Bond bad guys.

    But yeah, Carver really did suck.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Hank wrote:
    I don't get the Renard hating. I thought he was actually one of the better Bond bad guys.
    My problem with him is that he was set up as someone who couldn't feel pain, yet nothing was done of it. To me, he was just a wasted opportunity. Plus, Electra was IMO a much better villain, so his being a bad villain (IMO) was further highlighted.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • HankHank Posts: 37MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    Hank wrote:
    I don't get the Renard hating. I thought he was actually one of the better Bond bad guys.
    My problem with him is that he was set up as someone who couldn't feel pain, yet nothing was done of it. To me, he was just a wasted opportunity. Plus, Electra was IMO a much better villain, so his being a bad villain (IMO) was further highlighted.

    That's what I think was oddly good. They could have went with some crazy physical stunt as to where he wouldn't feel pain, but it was kinda good seeing his pain inflicted by Electra.

    His pain was purely emotional.
  • Double 0 ZeroDouble 0 Zero Posts: 30MI6 Agent
    Carver in TND was so bad that I was put off the Bond series altogether until this year with CR (I would still watch the Connery and Moore films on TV).
  • Krassno GranitskiKrassno Granitski USAPosts: 896MI6 Agent
    Carver
    Renard
    Whitaker
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