Is really a great film if you understand the purpose of it as both an artistic and political piece and don't just view it as a sex romp. She did an amazing job with it and I really think it showed people how well she could act. It pretty much launched her career. I first saw it (The original uncutversion) in my film class and thought it was very well-shot and well-made. However, I don't see what this has to do with Casino Royale.
I don't see what this has to do with Casino Royale.
It doesn't, so I'm moving it off-topic. That said, Eva Green was very good in it. As I said months ago, that someone can still create a compelling and believable character while she's walking around stark naked is a testament to her acting!
I didn't realise 'The Dreamers' had been cut. Was this for the American release? I'm pretty sure we got the full version in the UK.
I saw it on DVD here in the U.S. of A., and it was uncut and rated NC-17. I don't know for sure, but there may be a version that had cuts so it could get an R rating, meaning a wider distribution in the theaters.
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The politics of the piece drive me crazy---and I don't care for the ending---but the rest of the film is quite enjoyable. It reminds me fondly, in places, of the time I spent on the continent back in the day :v :x
Special kudos to the soundtrack---and Ms. Green's God-given natural resources B-)
Lovely. :x
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I enjoyed “The Dreamers” because it’s an exercise in nostalgia for me: I fell in love for the first time during the May 1968 upheavals Paris, in circumstances not unlike the movie (but without the incest).
I was only 13 at the time, but had been living in Paris since 1960, so I spoke the language fluently, all my friends were French kids, etc … As an American, I was very tall compared to most French teen-agers, so my age wasn’t apparent and as a result my friends were all a couple years older. As the student riots worsened at the universities, the unrest trickled down to the level of the lycees, where I went to school, and the government shut them down too. That left me and my friends with a lot of free time. Not being politically minded, we avoided the demonstrations and found other things to do.
One afternoon, my best friend and I were kicking a soccer ball around in the courtyard of this neighborhood boys club, when these three girls on the balcony of an adjacent building started harassing us in a flirtatious way. They were girlfriends who were also out school and left alone at home, their parents being at work. To make a long story short, we started hanging out with them, and I became enamored with this one 15-year-old girl named Anne.
The four of us – one of the girls split from the pack -- spent every day for weeks on end holed up in that apartment. We smoked Gauloises, drank beer and wine (liquor laws were lax in France at the time) and danced to 45s, especially “A Whiter Shade of Pale” (my favorite), “Nights in White Satin” and “When A Man Loves A Woman,” all of which were big hits at the time. Very romantic.
But – alas – all good things must come to an end, and I was forced to go to Spain on vacation with my parents for the rest of my summer. Anne and I exchanged few letters, but suddenly, the correspondence ended. When I returned to Paris, I discovered my best friend had ratted me out and told the girl my real age. It didn’t go over well. As you know, a two-year age difference is a big deal at that age, so I was left heartbroken.
That’s my “Dreamers” story. I sometimes think Bertolucci stole the basic framework for his film from my experience. But I imagine there were many kids like me and my friends at the time.
That’s my “Dreamers” story. I sometimes think Bertolucci stole the basic framework for his film from my experience. But I imagine there were many kids like me and my friends at the time.
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My story is set in Spain in the early '80's, with only a brief foray into Paris...alas, it pales by comparison
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...Umm... ;% yeah...
There's more to it than that, of course...
[crickets chirping]
...honestly...
B-)
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Uncut version? Wonder how that differs from the R version I rented. There was quite alot of Eva in the R version. Ver nice, I like, hi five! Glad it was recommended I rent it!
Uncut version? Wonder how that differs from the R version I rented. There was quite alot of Eva in the R version. Ver nice, I like, hi five! Glad it was recommended I rent it!
I'm not sure what version I saw, but I can't imagine there would be much difference. )
I have said before and will say again, that I thought this movie was awful. Scenes like Green and her male friend having sex on the floor while their friend goes and cooks some food 10 feet away are laughable. Don't understand what people see in this.
I'm not much of a fan either. Bertolucci has fallen so very far since 'The Conformist,' but I really don't have a big problem with the nudity. If you're going to make a mediocre film, you might as well fill the screen with as many attractive people as is possible to compensate.
I have said before and will say again, that I thought this movie was awful. Scenes like Green and her male friend having sex on the floor while their friend goes and cooks some food 10 feet away are laughable. Don't understand what people see in this.
Let's just say I'm glad they didn't do the Nine 1/2 Weeks route..
I echo Barry's thoughts. I don't understand what people see in this.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Now I know why I like Eva so much ... I used to have the hots for her mom: the French actress Marlene Jobert, who was a real hottie when I was a kid. I just found out Eva is her daughter. Some of you might remember a movie with Charles Bronson called Rider in the Rain. It was a film he made in France where he became a star before he reached megastardom in the US, kind of like Clint Eastwood. Marlene co-starred as the woman who is raped by a man Bronson is looking for. She was this gorgeous redhead with the cutest freckles. She was in a number of other movies as well. It also explains Eva's rather casual attitude toward nudity in The Dreamers. If you Google "images", under Marlene Jobert, you'll see what I mean. (make sure you're 18, though);)
Anyone else remember Marlene?
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I echo Barry's thoughts. I don't understand what people see in this.
Wow.
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I found my DVD of "The Dreamers" at Best Buy priced at $4.99. So bought it figuring it was a small enough risk.
As a film , "The Dreamers" is lost on me. Eva was the only reason I bought it. and I think her fine figure the only redeeming reason for Bertolucci to have made it. He sure lingers over her nude body and that's ok with me.
Frankly, Highhope's love story, which plays out over a couple of paragraphs is the more interesting tale, and easier to relate to.
Make sure you all check out Eva's mom. There are several pictures of her as a young woman that you can Google. She really was nice-looking. She definitely passed on her genes to Eva.
For the faint hearted Google Marlene with the "safety" on!
or not
Mother and daughter are alike in that they have, to my eyes anyway, a different kind of appeal that the typical glamor girl's. I've always found atypical looks more interesting than the standard Playboy cookie-cutter model. I think that's probably why I like Craig so much as Bond, too. I like something a little different.
I've always found atypical looks more interesting than the standard Playboy cookie-cutter model. I think that's probably why I like Craig so much as Bond, too. I like something a little different.
I have said before and will say again, that I thought this movie was awful. Scenes like Green and her male friend having sex on the floor while their friend goes and cooks some food 10 feet away are laughable.
I've said this before as well (and probably will again ;% ), but this film reminded me, poignantly, of my own time in Europe in the early '80s (Spain, specifically, in my own case, although I did see a bit of Paris), and quite a lot of it rings true for me.
The politics of the piece bug me to no end...as does the typically ambiguous 'art house' ending...but (for me) this film is very 'real'
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I have said before and will say again, that I thought this movie was awful. Scenes like Green and her male friend having sex on the floor while their friend goes and cooks some food 10 feet away are laughable.
I've said this before as well (and probably will again ;% ), but this film reminded me, poignantly, of my own time in Europe in the early '80s (Spain, specifically, in my own case, although I did see a bit of Paris), and quite a lot of it rings true for me.
Be prepared to elaborate at our next Summit.
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It doesn't, so I'm moving it off-topic. That said, Eva Green was very good in it. As I said months ago, that someone can still create a compelling and believable character while she's walking around stark naked is a testament to her acting!
I saw it on DVD here in the U.S. of A., and it was uncut and rated NC-17. I don't know for sure, but there may be a version that had cuts so it could get an R rating, meaning a wider distribution in the theaters.
Special kudos to the soundtrack---and Ms. Green's God-given natural resources B-)
Lovely. :x
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I enjoyed “The Dreamers” because it’s an exercise in nostalgia for me: I fell in love for the first time during the May 1968 upheavals Paris, in circumstances not unlike the movie (but without the incest).
I was only 13 at the time, but had been living in Paris since 1960, so I spoke the language fluently, all my friends were French kids, etc … As an American, I was very tall compared to most French teen-agers, so my age wasn’t apparent and as a result my friends were all a couple years older. As the student riots worsened at the universities, the unrest trickled down to the level of the lycees, where I went to school, and the government shut them down too. That left me and my friends with a lot of free time. Not being politically minded, we avoided the demonstrations and found other things to do.
One afternoon, my best friend and I were kicking a soccer ball around in the courtyard of this neighborhood boys club, when these three girls on the balcony of an adjacent building started harassing us in a flirtatious way. They were girlfriends who were also out school and left alone at home, their parents being at work. To make a long story short, we started hanging out with them, and I became enamored with this one 15-year-old girl named Anne.
The four of us – one of the girls split from the pack -- spent every day for weeks on end holed up in that apartment. We smoked Gauloises, drank beer and wine (liquor laws were lax in France at the time) and danced to 45s, especially “A Whiter Shade of Pale” (my favorite), “Nights in White Satin” and “When A Man Loves A Woman,” all of which were big hits at the time. Very romantic.
But – alas – all good things must come to an end, and I was forced to go to Spain on vacation with my parents for the rest of my summer. Anne and I exchanged few letters, but suddenly, the correspondence ended. When I returned to Paris, I discovered my best friend had ratted me out and told the girl my real age. It didn’t go over well. As you know, a two-year age difference is a big deal at that age, so I was left heartbroken.
That’s my “Dreamers” story. I sometimes think Bertolucci stole the basic framework for his film from my experience. But I imagine there were many kids like me and my friends at the time.
Man oh man {[]
My story is set in Spain in the early '80's, with only a brief foray into Paris...alas, it pales by comparison
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I never thought I'd be writing to you, but. . .
Whoops! I forgot which site this is! ;%
There's more to it than that, of course...
[crickets chirping]
...honestly...
B-)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I'm not sure what version I saw, but I can't imagine there would be much difference.
Eva Green naked! LOL!
Anyone else remember Marlene?
Wow.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
As a film , "The Dreamers" is lost on me. Eva was the only reason I bought it. and I think her fine figure the only redeeming reason for Bertolucci to have made it. He sure lingers over her nude body and that's ok with me.
Frankly, Highhope's love story, which plays out over a couple of paragraphs is the more interesting tale, and easier to relate to.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
I took your advice and did a google on Marlene. One can certainly see where Eva gets her good looks and a proclivity to be naked in front of a camera.
For the faint hearted Google Marlene with the "safety" on!
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
or not
Mother and daughter are alike in that they have, to my eyes anyway, a different kind of appeal that the typical glamor girl's. I've always found atypical looks more interesting than the standard Playboy cookie-cutter model. I think that's probably why I like Craig so much as Bond, too. I like something a little different.
+1
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Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
I've said this before as well (and probably will again ;% ), but this film reminded me, poignantly, of my own time in Europe in the early '80s (Spain, specifically, in my own case, although I did see a bit of Paris), and quite a lot of it rings true for me.
The politics of the piece bug me to no end...as does the typically ambiguous 'art house' ending...but (for me) this film is very 'real'
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Be prepared to elaborate at our next Summit.
-Roger Moore