thunderball or for your eyes only
cosmo
Posts: 52MI6 Agent
i have nine bond movies on dvd and have decided to buy another one each month until i have the full set.
last month i'd made my mind up to get thunderball,but when i got to the shop i saw the cover of diamonds are forever and spent an age deciding which to get.i ended up getting daf.
next week i'm getting tb or fyeo.anyway to save me standing in the shop for ten minutes looking like an idiot trying to decide, perhaps some of you wonderful people could let me know which one you think i should get between the two.i'll get the one that has the most votes at the end of the week.
last month i'd made my mind up to get thunderball,but when i got to the shop i saw the cover of diamonds are forever and spent an age deciding which to get.i ended up getting daf.
next week i'm getting tb or fyeo.anyway to save me standing in the shop for ten minutes looking like an idiot trying to decide, perhaps some of you wonderful people could let me know which one you think i should get between the two.i'll get the one that has the most votes at the end of the week.
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No particular reason other than it seems more.....gripping!
But chief it really is up to you!
In another thread, Lazenby put these and several other points very well in TB's favour.
FYEO isn't by any means a clinker; Roger Moore gives arguably his best 007 performance (less jokey than usual) and the plot has more human interest than was common for that period- but my advice would be to put TB first.
Its underwater sequences aren't real, as in TB. Carole Bouquet wasn't able to do the underwater stuff, so they were faked.
As I said above, I'm not knocking FYEO at all, it has plenty in its favour (well, apart from the score). If building a collection, though, I'd back TB first.
Um, yeah. Terence Young.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
But it's your call, even though I think TB is horrible, it all boils down to what you think.
It's underwater sequences are very well edited to seem real though, as Sir Roj notes in his voiceover, and that's the magic of movies. And if you are a Roger fan, buy it for the voiceover done by him, in addition to it just being a great movie, one of the best minimalist Bonds, really RM's FRWL - though the last scene is muy silly, but whatever. Moore is very entertaining and constantly draws attention to the talents of others he worked with.
remember your vote counts.
ps i was going to put one of those smiley things in but not sure how they work.can someone please enlighten me?thanks
I forgot to mention the commentary ;%! Moore's voiceover is a definite plus; whatever one may think about his portrayal of Bond (and I like that, despite my preference for Dalton), his undisputed charm carries him through. It's impossible not to like him! As said above, it all boils down to whether one likes his Bond or Connery's.
FYEO is definitely Moore's FRWL- relatively realistic, a solid Fleming basis, and ambigious characters. John Glen is perhaps no Terence Young, but his work here was enough for Cubby to continue with him in the director's seat for four more 007 flicks.
Never mind that though-- come to the elimination game thread and vote!
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
For me, I'd rather take the hockey goons rather than the Francois/Angelo prequel to what eventually would be gene therapy in DAD.
If you absolutely don't have room in your budget for both films, go with FYEO.
-Roger Moore
TB all the way.
All together now: "He always runs while others walk....."
Oh sorry, full moon's tomorrow, isn't it?
(I know, I know, typical blueman post, bonkers and all...ah well, tomorrow's another day to die never again but with a view to only your eyes living in daylight...octopussy)
Tough crowd.
Yes...I feared as much
But be careful...you're straining a bit in blaming TB for DAD...you might pull something.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Loeffelholz, my friend, you are just like all those stubborn Connery elitists who seem to believe that nothing remotely outlandish occurred in the Connery Era until DAF.
Why can't you concede to me just once?
If anything is a stretch it's Angelo's incredible transformation into Francois Derval.
-Roger Moore
I've never asserted such a thing---ever. Regrettably, another member and I parted ways over a similar issue...In fact, were I him, I would now get quite snotty and say, "How dare you turn this into an Actor A versus an Actor B issue??? And using a smiley to boot!?!?"
Instead, I'll merely point out that Connery himself referred to the early films as 'deadpan spoofing'---which is hugely different, IMRO, from the rampant self-indulgence that came later (I need not and shall not elaborate).
Sure! Just admit you're mistaken, and I'll concede B-)
You're welcome to that opinion. For myself, I tend to afford more forgiveness to outlandish escapist devices when they further the plot, no matter how unlikely or implausible (the Derval plastic surgery, Bond masquerading as a Japanese fisherman, MI6 entering Bond in a No Limit Poker game, etc), rather than distract from it (goons scoring hockey 'goals,' Tarzan yell, double-taking pigeon, underwater tie-straightening)...
For the record: I rather enjoy most of FYEO, though I personally feel it would have been much better if---as originally intended---it had been a vehicle for a new Bond actor...
Enjoy that hockey scene! {[]
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Perhaps my judgement was a bit rash and unfair. I appologize. I meant no offense by my comment; I assure you it was said most light-heartedly.
Still friends?
Alright, maybe I'm mistaken. But it doesn't change the fact that I often find you overly critical of the Roger Moore Era while at the same time leaving the Connery Era unscathed. I may be an ardent supporter of Sir Roger, but I can admit when things get carried away. For example, most likely to your surprise, I find the Jaws/Dolly relationship in MR to be indeed regrettable.
There I said it. Now concede!
I find that interesting-that you would be more annoyed by a 2 second pigeon double-take than let's say the entire gene therapy angle of DAD, as the latter drives the plot. Interesting indeed.
You are irritatingly smug Loeffs. If I hear "I think Roger Moore was swell" one more time...
-Roger Moore
I don't think you should base your decision on our votes, but rather, on your tastes (on what you've enjoyed about Bond so far). At any rate, since both movies are essential entries, I shall break the comparison down into categories.
Bond: Vintage Sean Connery versus a good Roger Moore. I think Sean wins.
Villain: I personally prefer Kristatos (FYEO) to Largo, but I know some members of this forum will disagree. At any rate, neither one of the villains is an over-the-top megalomaniac. And that is a good thing.
Girls: Melina is pretty good but Domino and Fiona Volpe might well be the hottest girls in the whole series (not counting Electra King and Tracy di Vicenzo). This one goes to TB by a comfortable margin.
Plot: I've always preferred low-key, cold-war based storylines to "steal-nuclear-weapons-and- blackmail-the-superpowers" type plots. So my preference here goes to FYEO
Direction: Terence Young (TB) beats John Glen (FYEO) any day. It pains me to say it, given my self-appointment as guardian of the Dalton legacy, but John Glen should never have made the career move from second-unit director.
Location: Here people will disagree. Exotic bahamas or the spectacular Greek Islands with a dash of Italian Alps? I'd go for the second. So this point goes to FYEO.
Handling of the plot: FYEO might well be 1 of only 5 Bond movies that do not lose steam in the third act. TB on the other hand begins its resolution with the longest-drawn underwater battle in the history of film.
Bonus reasons for watching FYEO: The character of Columbo and the killing of Locque.
Bonus reasons for watching TB: Fiona Volpe's priceless expression when Connery hands her something to wear, in what is probably the single wittiest moment in the entire series.
That's a controversial claim. I can't say I agree, but I'm curious to hear what you think the other 4 are.
Okay; sure. I concede
It's a defense mechanism.
As to the member to whom I alluded...he is every inch the gentleman, and has been a friend...all the more reason I regret the clash of our personalities. Ah well. C'est la guerre.
...And that one fellow is---swell, I mean.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Anybody else, here, thinks these two guys should ... -- how shall I put it? -- get a room? :007)
i could buy both if i wanted to,but it's something to look forward to,a new bond dvd each month,and besides it's a bit of fun getting you guys to choose.
Nah just trying to save you the mental anguish of making a decision. Besides, if you buy them both at the same time, you can use the TB disc to cover the FYEO disc, so people don't see how you're throwing your money away. Guess you can tell which movie I'd choose....