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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited May 2008
    Dan Same wrote:
    John Drake wrote:
    This film really is putting the Dark into The Dark Knight. That Two-Face look is like something out of an 18- certificate zombie film. It looks like Batman Returns is going to end up looking about as dark and twisted as an episode of Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
    I thought Sabrina the Teenage Witch was quite scary actually. :#

    I always liked Aunt Zelda (Beth Broderick); she could cast a spell on me anytime.

    As for TDK, that image of Two-Face was impressive in its detail but also pretty disturbing; hopefully they'll keep him in the shadows most of the time if they don't want to scare a lot of their audience away.

    My fear has always been that Nolan would pull a Batman Returns and deliver a dark and overly serious film; and the more I see, the more it looks like that is exactly what will happen.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited May 2008
    TonyDP wrote:
    Dan Same wrote:
    John Drake wrote:
    This film really is putting the Dark into The Dark Knight. That Two-Face look is like something out of an 18- certificate zombie film. It looks like Batman Returns is going to end up looking about as dark and twisted as an episode of Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
    I thought Sabrina the Teenage Witch was quite scary actually. :#

    I always liked Aunt Zelda (Beth Broderick); she could cast a spell on me anytime.

    As for TDK, that image of Two-Face was impressive in its detail but also pretty disturbing; hopefully they'll keep him in the shadows most of the time if they don't want to scare a lot of their audience away.

    My fear has always been that Nolan would pull a Batman Returns and deliver a dark and overly serious film; and the more I see, the more it looks like that is exactly what will happen.


    Y'know, Tony, I'm slowly starting to believe you on this dark tone thing because although I loved that Two-Face pic, it's a little unsettling for the masses. Expect parents who take their children to complain if that image holds true to the final look.



    Whether it will do any good or not, I wrote an extensive letter to Warner Bros./DC to grow a pair and branch out their material. I love the animated feature films but it's kind of remedial compared to the projects that Marvel has the cajones to put out hit or miss...

    I hope I'm not the only one sending comments like that but it'll take a collective effort before they see how important this issue is...
    Websites all over are ridiculing the company thanks to Iron Man's current success.... :#


    And I watched Sabrina just to see Caroline Rhea & Melissa Joan Hart wear those short skirts. :D
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Whether it will do any good or not, I wrote an extensive letter to Warner Bros./DC to grow a pair and branch out their material. I love the animated feature films but it's kind of remedial compared to the projects that Marvel has the cajones to put out hit or miss...

    Wait a minute, weren't you chiding the Marvel Sisters for trying to call the company during the whole Peter & MJ break up storyline? :)) ;)
    I hope I'm not the only one sending comments like that but it'll take a collective effort before they see how important this issue is...

    Be assured, my brother and I have done the same on many occasions. When the WB Stores were open for business, there would often be reps from the company lurking about and we'd give them an earful whether they wanted it or not (especially after Batman & Robin) as well. Unfortunately it never seems to do much good.
    Websites all over are ridiculing the company thanks to Iron Man's current success.... :#

    It goes back to what we said before: as an independent company not owned by a conglomerate, Marvel has a level of freedom and creative control that DC can only dream about. DC is unfortunately just one arm (and a relatively small one at that) of a megacorporation who values profits above all else. And it's not just the movies that suffer because of this. Remember how Superman got married in the comics so that it would dovetail with what was happening on Lois & Clark. More "marketing synergy" for you.

    The best thing in the world would be for Time Warner to just sell off DC and let it go back to being an independent publisher without any ties to anyone. Don't see it happening though.
    And I watched Sabrina just to see Caroline Rhea & Melissa Joan Hart wear those short skirts. :D

    The pop tarts do little for me; they're cute but also as vapid as water vapor. I guess that's why I've always gravitated towards older women.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Whether it will do any good or not, I wrote an extensive letter to Warner Bros./DC to grow a pair and branch out their material. I love the animated feature films but it's kind of remedial compared to the projects that Marvel has the cajones to put out hit or miss...

    Wait a minute, weren't you chiding the Marvel Sisters for trying to call the company during the whole Peter & MJ break up storyline? :)) ;)


    Yeah, well...it's different; I mean they're extremists. They hate DC characters. I'm a little more balanced than that. :))
    The pop tarts do little for me; they're cute but also as vapid as water vapor. I guess that's why I've always gravitated towards older women.


    Man, Rhea is more our age. She's no pop tart but I love the short skirts she wears.


    Since you gravitate towards older women, let me take a wild guess... your mother is crazy about you isn't she? Spec is more of the radical son?

    Sort of like me and my kid brother? :v
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • SpectreIslandSpectreIsland spectreislandPosts: 274MI6 Agent
    pop tarts, mature women, it makes no difference to me. As Bond said in Diamonds are Forever," as long as the collar and cuffs match.." ;)
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited May 2008
    pop tarts, mature women, it makes no difference to me. As Bond said in Diamonds are Forever," as long as the collar and cuffs match.." ;)


    Me too, Spec. {[]

    My kid brother dates nothing but older women.
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • SpectreIslandSpectreIsland spectreislandPosts: 274MI6 Agent
    Rogue there's an old Italian proverb which translates to " Older hens make good soup" :)) {[]
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited May 2008
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Yeah, well...it's different; I mean they're extremists. They hate DC characters. I'm a little more balanced than that. :))

    Even though I've never met them, it's obvious they have issues. Still, do they really hate DC, or do they just to it to needle you?

    BTW, what ever happened with that other comic book fan that you exposed as a fraud and his friends. Remember? The one who was complaining about the JLA movie?

    RogueAgent wrote:
    Since you gravitate towards older women, let me take a wild guess... your mother is crazy about you isn't she? Spec is more of the radical son?

    Sort of like me and my kid brother? :v

    Well, "gravitate" may be too strong a word; let's just say I "appreicate" them. The last girl I dated was actually quite a bit younger than me.

    As for our mother, she switches sides pretty much at will. Whichever of us manages to upset her at any point in time instantly becomes the outcast until the other one (or our dad for that matter) does something to tick her off.

    She's also terribly disappointed that neither my brother nor I have gotten married yet (crosses himself and throws salt over his shoulder).

    Parents. :))
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited May 2008
    TonyDP wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Yeah, well...it's different; I mean they're extremists. They hate DC characters. I'm a little more balanced than that. :))

    Even though I've never met them, it's obvious they have issues. Still, do they really hate DC, or do they just to it to needle you?

    Both. It makes their day to needle me constantly on a company that they loathe so much. In a friendly way, I am their adversary. As good as Iron Man was, it doesn't help me at all in the workplace because they've never let me forget it.

    One of them nonchalantly passed by my desk and knocked over my Little Hal when I was on the phone..."That's what we think of your pansy DC heroes!" Now that was just un-American. :(

    I tell you a female could change their whole outlook on life... :))
    BTW, what ever happened with that other comic book fan that you exposed as a fraud and his friends. Remember? The one who was complaining about the JLA?

    He's still around. :)) Once those guys found out that I was into drawing comics as well as KNOWING COMICS, they sort of gravitated towards me but haven't cut him off totally. That guy hates me. :))

    Actually, our mother switches sides pretty much at will. Whichever of us manages to upset her at any point in time instantly becomes the outcast until the other one (or our dad for that matter) does something to tick her off.

    She's also terribly disappointed that neither my brother nor I have gotten married yet (crosses himself and throws salt over his shoulder).

    Parents. :))

    :)) :)) :)) :))

    I can't stop laughing at that last part. It has sitcom written all over it. :))

    Rogue there's an old Italian proverb which translates to " Older hens make good soup" :)) {[]


    I have to use that proverb for a future Shylock book. :))
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    One of them nonchalantly passed by my desk and knocked over my Little Hal when I was on the phone..."That's what we think of your pansy DC heroes!" Now that was just un-American. :(

    I think its time to take the fight to them. You may want to take one of their figures hostage next time they step away. Either that or put an Aunt May figure that's been defaced to look like the Joker on their desk. That should shake them. :v
    I tell you a female could change their whole outlook on life... :))

    Based on what I've heard, I doubt they'd know what to do. :))
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited May 2008
    TonyDP wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    One of them nonchalantly passed by my desk and knocked over my Little Hal when I was on the phone..."That's what we think of your pansy DC heroes!" Now that was just un-American. :(

    I think its time to take the fight to them. You may want to take one of their figures hostage next time they step away. Either that or put an Aunt May figure that's been defaced to look like the Joker on their desk. That should shake them. :v

    Hey...now that sounds like a plan. :v

    Especially since they think that GL is third rate hero at best. They said that they won't be attending a viewing of The Dark Knight at all because it's for losers.

    Great guys really but they're totally delusional. :))
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    ...they think that GL is third rate hero at best.

    Them's fightin' words and I don't plan to take that lightly. I'm already planning a retaliation (the first of many) when I get home tonight. Stay tuned...
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited May 2008
    There's a boatload of new high-res images over at the slashfilm.com website (some old, some new, nothing really spoilerish) including a couple of new Joker photos. Don't know how long they'll be there so check them out.


    http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/09/the-dark-knight-40-high-resolution-photos/



    Also, according to an article over at BatmanOnFilm.com, the recently pulled image of Two-Face was indeed from WB, but it was still a work-in-progress and while definitely indicative of the look of the character, it was not necessarily the finished product. My understanding is that the scarred side of Two-Face will be computer-generated (much like Arnold's destroyed face in T3) and as such, the filmmakers can go back and tweak the look in the computer without having to film any new scenes. Maybe WB took all the concerns that the look was too radical to heart.
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    There's a new TDK TV spot; mostly footage already seen, but there a few new bits (including a nice reaction shot of the Joker at the end). No spoilers within, so feel free to check it out.


    http://moretrailers.highresolutions.info/dk01.html
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited May 2008
    TonyDP wrote:
    There's a new TDK TV spot; mostly footage already seen, but there a few new bits (including a nice reaction shot of the Joker at the end). No spoilers within, so feel free to check it out.


    http://moretrailers.highresolutions.info/dk01.html

    "I need a new suit."

    "Three buttons is a little 90s, Mr. Wayne."


    Perhaps I should re-evaluate my wardrobe a bit. :)) :))


    I love the ad with The Joker's reaction but I still hate that helmet-looking cowl of Bats.
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    Christian Bale on Batman, Heath Ledger and More
    Source: DETAILS magazine May 28, 2008



    Christian Bale is on the cover of the June/July issue of DETAILS, on stands nationwide June 3rd. He talks about Heath Ledger, panic over the bat suit, and self-destructing. Here's a clip on Heath:

    "He was incredibly intense in his performance but incredibly mellow and laid-back. Certainly there was this great anarchistic streak to it-just getting dirtier than anybody's envisioned the Joker before. Naturally it was something I wanted to share with him-and expected to do so. And I can't do anything else but hope that it will be an absolutely appropriate celebration of his work."

    You can read the full interview by clicking the link below.







    http://men.style.com/details/blogs/thegadabout/2008/05/christian-bale.html#more
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited May 2008
    Check out this poster and shot. B-)

    thedarkknight_83.jpg

    thedarkknight_53.jpg

    Since Tony linked that probable Two-Face pic, WB is certainly keeping his final look under raps. If that was the true picture, I still think that it's too horrific for some kids.

    Also:

    The Dark Knight's Got Milk
    Source: Body by Milk May 28, 2008



    Batman's getting to don the milk mustache again for The Dark Knight's "Body by Milk" campaign, and along with it comes the opportunity for one fan to be drawn into a "Batman" comic book. Just head to the official "Body by Milk" website for details, as well as a widget, wallpaper and an icon.


    milk.jpg

    Since Dan Same doesn't care to read comic book literature, perhaps he could apply and win just to get off'ed within the context of the story...by Baby Doll. :v
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Check out this poster and shot. B-)

    thedarkknight_83.jpg

    thedarkknight_53.jpg

    Since Tony linked that probable Two-Face pic, WB is certainly keeping his final look under raps. If that was the true picture, I still think that it's too horrific for some kids.
    Let me get this straight. This picture for Two-Face (which I admittedly haven't seen) is too horrific, but these pictures of The Joker are perfectly appropiate for children? ?:) Something tells me that, irrespective of what Two-Face looks like, DK won't be appropiate for children (or at least young children) anyway.
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Since Dan Same doesn't care to read comic book literature, perhaps he could apply and win just to get off'ed within the context of the story...by Baby Doll. :v
    Maybe I will. :)) Although, am I missing something? Is there a comic book character called Baby Doll? ?:)
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited May 2008
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Check out this poster and shot. B-)

    I like that one a lot, between the strong purple color of the suit and the more evenly applied face paint, Ledger finally looks like the Joker here. A little nihilistic with all the debris, but still well done.


    Dan Same wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Since Tony linked that probable Two-Face pic, WB is certainly keeping his final look under raps. If that was the true picture, I still think that it's too horrific for some kids.
    Let me get this straight. This picture for Two-Face (which I admittedly haven't seen) is too horrific, but these pictures of The Joker are perfectly appropiate for children? ?:) Something tells me that, irrespective of what Two-Face looks like, DK won't be appropiate for children (or at least young children) anyway.

    Compared to the pic of Two-Face that was shown, the Joker looks like Cary Grant. When all is said and done though, I think WB will scale Two-Face's look back for the final film. Unless Two-Face is in the shadows all the time, the image that was briefly shown was just too extreme for a PG-13 film.

    I'm really having a hard time getting a lock on this movie's tone. On the one hand, everything I've seen and read suggests a very dark and serious film in which some really bad things happen. On the other hand, I'm seeing all kinds of toys for the kiddies and even "Got Milk?" ads.

    I'll be really curious to finally see the finished film and find out once and for all just how far Nolan takes it.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Since Dan Same doesn't care to read comic book literature, perhaps he could apply and win just to get off'ed within the context of the story...by Baby Doll. :v
    Maybe I will. :)) Although, am I missing something? Is there a comic book character called Baby Doll? ?:)



    doll7.jpg

    doll5.jpg

    Not really...she's pretty much the creation of the Bruce Timm/Paul Dini BTAS years.

    By all means, Dan, apply for the contest but you don't deserve to be the victim of a formidible "comic book" villian if you should win. :v :D
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    By all means, Dan, apply for the contest but you don't deserve to be the victim of a formidible "comic book" villian if you should win. :v :D
    Why not? :o :'( You mean, I can't be killed by Cat Woman? :))
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited May 2008
    Dan Same wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    By all means, Dan, apply for the contest but you don't deserve to be the victim of a formidible "comic book" villian if you should win. :v :D
    Why not? :o :'( You mean, I can't be killed by Cat Woman? :))


    ...Not even the Halle Berry version...


    I've won many Spelling Bees from reading comic books as a kid yet you're toooo good to pick up one to read yourself.. Perhaps,like you, I should've been more interested in reading Pride And Prejudice at eight years old X-( .

    Literature elitist... :p ;)
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited June 2008
    RogueAgent wrote:
    ...Not even the Halle Berry version...
    :#
    RogueAgent wrote:
    I've won many Spelling Bees from reading comic books as a kid yet you're toooo good to pick up one to read yourself.. Perhaps,like you, I should've been more interested in reading Pride And Prejudice at eight years old X-( .
    Actually I read Pride And Prejudice *when I was 7. I started reading Joyce **when I turned 8. :p
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Literature elitist... :p ;)
    Of course, which self-respecting literary aware person would read comic books? :v

    Seriously, the reason I've never read comics is simply because it's not a big cultural part of where I come from. My father read The Phantom, however, he was an exception. Also, my brother read Mad Magazine. Generally speaking however, I don't really know of anyone who read comics. I suspect it's an Australian thing where comics are simply not as big as they are among Americans.

    When I was younger, the big thing among my age group were the Goosebumbs books as well as to a lesser extent the Hardy Boys, Famous Five and Encyclopedia Brown books.

    To be fair though, most of my classmates did not read. :# I was one of the few who did, but among my fellow classmates who did read, those four literally series, especially Goosebumbs books, were the most popular. I personaly loved all four literally series, particularly Famous Five and Hardy Boys, as well as Roald Dahl, Paul Jennings, Teen Power, Nancy Drew, The Five Find-Outers and Dog and one or two series which I'm not going to reveal here. :v


    *In reality, I read P&P much later.
    **I've never read Joyce and have no desire to.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent
    This might interest some of you. Haven't seen it posted yet, so here you go:

    http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/24044647.html#cutid1

    They are scans from the July '08 of Empire magazine.
    Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
  • Lazenby880Lazenby880 LondonPosts: 525MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Literature elitist... :p ;)
    Of course, which self-respecting literally aware person would read comic books? :v
    Well, I certainly know readers of both high and low literature who have also read a graphic novel or two. Mostly The Watchmen and V For Vendetta as those two pieces had a political message and some insight into the human condition. I have not read it, however I understand Spiegelman's Maus is highly regarded in literary circles. Not that I am some expert on graphic novels, to be fair; I have only read a few Batman ones among others.

    I have to say I loathe the likes of Jane Austen and Pride and Prejudice! Things like that are not my bag at all. Displaying my ignorance, how can one be 'literally aware'? Or is that 'literary'? :v

    The Dark Knight is looking superb. The tone and atmosphere look to be just what I'd like from a Batman picture, and I really think that the narrative built over the films will be a particular highlight. The wider cast of characters, and the relationships between them, suggest that this will be an even more character-driven picture than Batman Begins. There is also the hint that we may discover some more of the darkness lurking in Batman's soul.

    I like the tone and atmosphere and whether it is suitable for children or not is something of a moot point for me: I watched Batman Returns when fairly young and I survived. The trailers look fantastic, the Joker looks fantastic (although I understand he is not everyone's idea of the Joker); in fact, everything looks fantastic apart from Batman's unfortunate suit.
  • Barry NelsonBarry Nelson ChicagoPosts: 1,508MI6 Agent
    Lazenby880 wrote:
    Dan Same wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Literature elitist... :p ;)
    Of course, which self-respecting literally aware person would read comic books? :v
    Well, I certainly know readers of both high and low literature who have also read a graphic novel or two. Mostly The Watchmen and V For Vendetta as those two pieces had a political message and some insight into the human condition. I have not read it, however I understand Spiegelman's Maus is highly regarded in literary circles. Not that I am some expert on graphic novels, to be fair; I have only read a few Batman ones among others.

    I have to say I loathe the likes of Jane Austen and Pride and Prejudice! Things like that are not my bag at all. Displaying my ignorance, how can one be 'literally aware'? Or is that 'literary'? :v

    The Dark Knight is looking superb. The tone and atmosphere look to be just what I'd like from a Batman picture, and I really think that the narrative built over the films will be a particular highlight. The wider cast of characters, and the relationships between them, suggest that this will be an even more character-driven picture than Batman Begins. There is also the hint that we may discover some more of the darkness lurking in Batman's soul.

    I like the tone and atmosphere and whether it is suitable for children or not is something of a moot point for me: I watched Batman Returns when fairly young and I survived. The trailers look fantastic, the Joker looks fantastic (although I understand he is not everyone's idea of the Joker); in fact, everything looks fantastic apart from Batman's unfortunate suit.

    Hey I took a class in college called The Role of Gangsters and Detectives in Media, and in that class we had to read a comic book for one of our aasignments. I believe it was called The Shadow. So if you have to read a comic book for some college credit it can't be too low brow.

    I agree The Dark Knight is looking good, happy that Maggie Gyllenhall is replacing Mrs Tom Cruise, who I thought was the worst thing in the previous film.
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    I think Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns is rather intellectual with its political statements.
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    Mr Martini wrote:
    This might interest some of you. Haven't seen it posted yet, so here you go:

    http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/24044647.html#cutid1

    They are scans from the July '08 of Empire magazine.

    Nice stuff Mr. M, thanks for sharing. Looking forward to reading the article.

    I think Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns is rather intellectual with its political statements.

    I know I'll be crucified for saying this but I never cared much for Dark Knight Returns, or any of Miller's Batman work for that matter. I didn't care for the changes he brought to the characters (didn't he make Catwoman a hooker in Year One?) or how he turned Batman into an anti-establishment anti-hero railing against "The Man". And other than the occasional panel, his artwork also leaves me almost completely cold.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited June 2008
    Lazenby880 wrote:
    Well, I certainly know readers of both high and low literature who have also read a graphic novel or two. Mostly The Watchmen and V For Vendetta as those two pieces had a political message and some insight into the human condition. I have not read it, however I understand Spiegelman's Maus is highly regarded in literary circles. Not that I am some expert on graphic novels, to be fair; I have only read a few Batman ones among others.
    Absolutely. I was actually having some fun at Rogue's benefit. As I noted in my post, the reason I haven't resd comics has nothing to do with them being comics; they're just not a big part of my growing up. (I am also considering eventually reading Maus.)
    Lazenby880 wrote:
    Displaying my ignorance, how can one be 'literally aware'? Or is that 'literary'? :v
    :)) I have just edited my post.
    Lazenby880 wrote:
    There is also the hint that we may discover some more of the darkness lurking in Batman's soul.
    Haven't we discovered enough? :# I loved BB, but I'm afraid that DK will end up being far too dark, similarly to Batman Returns.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited June 2008
    Dan Same wrote:
    Seriously, the reason I've never read comics is simply because it's not a big cultural part of where I come from.


    Quit blaming your comic book prejudices on an entire nation of Aussies! It's YOU...YOU! X-(




    My father read The Phantom, however, he was an exception. Also, my brother read Mad Magazine.


    Well now we know who the COOL people in your family are... :v



    Generally speaking however, I don't really know of anyone who read comics. I suspect it's an Australian thing where comics are simply not as big as they are among Americans.

    No excuse, Dan. Pretty much everyone here has read at least a few comics in their lifetime and have attested to such after your "snooty" post.

    And here I was thinking that if I ever made it big in the biz, Australia was one of my destinations for a comic convention but according to you, I'd just be a guest of one. 8-)
    Lazenby880 wrote:
    Displaying my ignorance, how can one be 'literally aware'? Or is that 'literary'? :v
    Dan Same wrote:
    :)) I have just edited my post.

    POSER!!!!! X-( :))
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