Stop slummin'. If you read what I said a few pages back, I didn't like Gotham Knight AT ALL. X-(
And I'll say ODD all I want to. X-(
And just so that you know, I faked it when I said that I love Spider-Man 2. )
Until I read this last sentence, I thought your rage was genuine. ) (Thank God it wasn't as, when you're angry, you're scarier than the Hulk. )
BTW, if you did indeed fake your love for Spider-Man 2, what does your son have to say about that? :v
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
It amazes me how every time, I make a positive comment about Spider-Man, you're there to shoot him down, almost as if I was in fact Spider-Man and you were my archnemesis. Now it seems that you have recruited henchmen to do your dirty work for you.
Dan, Ra's is immortal. Kind of. He uses Lazarus Pits, which enable him to stave off death, but every time he uses one, he gets more insane.
Although to be fair, such a fantastic plot device really wouldn't fit in Nolan's vision of Batman. Notice that all traces of the Lazarus pits were removed from BB; even his immortality was reduced to Bruce Wayne's comments about "cheap parlor tricks." As such, when it comes to this current franchise, I think Raas is dead and buried.
RA, what do you think of having Talia in Batman 3? Tony? Hardy? Uh... anyone else?
If Batman had to have a love interest, I guess Talia is as good as anyone. But truthfully, after the events of TDK I think it would be better if Bruce just goes stag for a while. Every Batman film has felt the need to tack a love interest into the mix (and most of the time it just didn't feel natural) and I'd just as soon see him go it alone for once.
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edited July 2008
I wouldn't mind at all if Bruce didn't have a 'romantic interest' in a third film---in fact, if it isn't Talia, I don't think he should. That would be a refreshing change.
As for the Lazarus Pit, I think the fact that we wouldn't expect it in Nolan's universe makes it a very enticing thought. Challenging Bruce Wayne's accepted reality seems almost logical, in that sense B-)
Though I haven't seen TDK for a second time yet, I'm fully prepared to lodge an official protest against the notion that it 'isn't fun' ?:) I thought it was a BLAST! B-) And I'm guessing, based on the repeat business this juggernaut is going to do over the next few weeks, that I'm not alone.
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RA, what do you think of having Talia in Batman 3? Tony? Hardy? Uh... anyone else?
Like Tony sez, that's fine with me. If not, he could always take a shot at Detective Rodriguez, or how 'bout Jim Gordon's wife, Barbara? A little bit of Bat-philandering could add a spicy new element to the film!
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BTW, if you did indeed fake your love for Spider-Man 2, what does your son have to say about that? :v
My son? Spider-Man 2 is dumbed down by comparison to TDK - HIS WORDS, NOT MINE. He would NEVER say that before, trust me. :v
He wants to go back for repeated viewings.
I mean I love the Spidey films...well at least 2/3rds of them but after witnessing the awesomeness of Batman's latest adventure, I sort of see the things in each one of Webhead's installments that TonyDP lamented over. Part 3 more than tarnished Raimi's chances at an awesome trilogy.
If you don't think so, try watching SM3 after a few drinks. Hell, do it sober. )
Sorry, friend but Nolan raised the bar once again when it comes to this genre. The movie was AMAZING.
At this point, only Iron Man 2 has a legitimate chance to stir this much of a frenzy over the anticipation of another summer comic book film. And still Favreau's got to do his homework to outdo himself.
One thing that I am sure of, I'm going to be a DVD buying fool from all of these summer blockbusters popping out one after the other...
Not since 1989 has summer movie going been so interesting. B-)
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Dent said that he was investigating her, but I don't think he found anything on her. Also, she was working with The Joker because her mother was in the hospital and he was threatening her. I don't think either fact makes her evil.
If you don't think so, try watching SM3 after a few drinks. Hell, do it sober. )
I'm not a fan of SM3, so any attempt to convince me that the Batman films are better than the Spider-Man films based on SM3 is bound to fail. ) For me, the brilliance of the Spider-Man films comes down entirely to the first two films. At this point in time, I would say that they are better than the two Batman films, however it may very well change with a second viewing of DK. I certainly disagree that Spider-Man 2 is dumbed down in comparison to DK.
Sorry, friend but Nolan raised the bar once again when it comes to this genre. The movie was AMAZING.
I think that DK is very good, but I'm not sure if I agree with this statement. I will be definitely be seeing DK again, and I might come away with a greater appreciation, but for now, I don't think it is as good as you think it is.
Rogue, the truth is, I honestly don't know what I think of DK. I missed alot of details due to my seeing it in a busy theatre (I don't deal well with crowds ), but also, there were elements which left me divided. Nonetheless, I don't think it's a masterpiece and I don't think it has set a new bar for comic-book films.
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Rogue, the truth is, I honestly don't know what I think of DK. I missed alot of details due to my seeing it in a busy theatre (I don't deal well with crowds )
Then I'd advise you, Dan to wait until the crowds were smaller so your frame of illusion isn't disturbed? Of course that might take a couple of weeks before crowds calm down some...
Our viewing crowd was quiet - why? Because they all wanted to see the new Batman movie. Not going to be the same everywhere so you take your chances here and there.
Nonetheless, I don't think it's a masterpiece and I don't think it has set a new bar for comic-book films.
You know, Dan. You've just forced me to go there... I swear to you that I didn't want to but you kept pushing & pushing! X-(
Just so you know...I didn't concoct this little gag.
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edited July 2008
Well according to this article not long ago released, the Bat remains strong at the domestic box office. Of course it won't be until Monday before we get a more accurate assessment. B-)
'Dark Knight' sets weekend record with $155.34M
Sunday July 20 10:09 AM ET
LOS ANGELES (AP) A Warner Bros. executive says the Batman sequel "The Dark Knight" has taken in $155.34 million to top "Spider-Man 3" for best opening weekend ever at the box office.
The figures released Sunday show "The Dark Knight" more than $4 million ahead of the $151.1 million first weekend for "Spider-Man 3" in May 2007.
Studio distribution chief Dan Fellman says "The Dark Knight" also broke the "Spider-Man 3" record for best debut in IMAX large-screen theaters with $6.2 million. "Spider-Man 3" opened with $4.7 million in IMAX cinemas.
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
You know, Dan. You've just forced me to go there... I swear to you that I didn't want to but you kept pushing & pushing! X-(
Just so you know...I didn't concoct this little gag.
Nice picture ( :v ) but I can see that this is quickly degenerating into a Marvel vs. DC rant...and I'm down with that! Time for a Spiderman 2 Pop Quiz:
1. When your ungrateful customer refuses to pay for the pizza because you were 4 minutes late do you
(A.) Take the pizzas back
(B.) "Convince" her to pay
(C.) Meekly turn over the pizzas and get fired
2. When the editor of the rag you work for continues to use your own photos to slander your alter ego do you...
(A.) Use you special abilities to make him see the error of his ways
(B.) Sell your photos to another newspaper
(C.) Continue to sell your photos to your ungrateful editor for a fraction of their value
3. When your poor indigent aunt is about to lose her home do you
(A.) Use your special abilities to get her the money she needs
(B.) "Convince" the bank manager to give her the loan
(C.) Go help her pack
4. When your best friend slaps you around in public do you
(A.) Tell him his father was a super-criminal
(B.) Slap him back to show that you will not be stepped on
(C.) Stand there and take it like the impotent wimp that you are
5. When the girl of your dreams tells you she's marrying someone else do you
(A.) Profess your love for her
(B.) Tell her your secret so she knows why you do what you do
(C.) Go home and cry
6. When the going gets rough do you
(A.) Endure
(B.) Turn up the heat on the criminals
(C.) Quit and try to live a normal life while "Raindrops Keep Fallin' On My Head" plays in the background
If you answered "C" to any of the above questions, then you probably think Spiderman 2 was the greatest comic book movie ever. Poor deluded soul.
As for me, at my brother's insistence, we saw TDK again today - refreshed after a good night's rest and with a really eager crowd - and I must recant most of my prior misgivings. I had a far far better time the second time around and the movie DEMANDS repeated viewings to get all the nuances of plot, action and characterization. Best comic book movie ever? Can't say for sure, but it probably does do a better job than any other comic movie in really "getting" its characters. Regardless, it leaves all of the Spiderman films in the dust.
BTW Rogue, we saw the new trailer to The Spirit and as to your misgivings about the movie, I...I...I...damn, does Eva Mendes look hot!!!
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As for me, at my brother's insistence, we saw TDK again today - refreshed after a good night's rest and with a really eager crowd - and I must recant most of my prior misgivings. I had a far far better time the second time around and the movie DEMANDS repeated viewings to get all the nuances of plot, action and characterization. Best comic book movie ever? Can't say for sure, but it probably does do a better job than any other comic movie in really "getting" its characters. Regardless, it leaves all of the Spiderman films in the dust.
Well, Tony,I have to commend you for at least giving it another shot and I'm glad that you liked it more the second time around. It is worth repeated viewings. {[]
But I want to know what you or anyone who's seen this film what do you think of this theory...
Upon me seeing it a second time today:
I think that Two-Face is alive, I really think that he survived the fall. I listened very closely to Batman and Gordon's conversation about how they'd handle Dent's little mess as neatly as possible. They never really said that he was dead. We saw a glimpse of Gordon speaking about Dent at a memorial...no casket, etc.
Wouldn't the director want to have Gotham's most celebrated hero behind Batman have better closure and assuring us that Dent would not return with some form of procession?
If you noticed all throughout the movie, there was alot of falling from respectable heights going on. Even Batman dropped Maroni from a similiar distance in which he just broke his legs BUT SURVIVED.
I truly believe that Harvey is at Arkham under some kind of John Doe only to emerge in the third film and discount the falsehood that Gordon praised him for. Dent survived that fall; this misdirection is right up Nolan's alley IMO.
Anyone have any ideas on that little theory? Then again, it could mean nothing. ;%
BTW Rogue, we saw the new trailer to The Spirit and as to your misgivings about the movie, I...I...I...damn, does Eva Mendes look hot!!!
Agreed. She is hot...Miller trailer...not.
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Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
My brother thinks he probably died, in large part because he thinks they've really written themselves into a corner with the character and is not sure what else they could do without repeating themselves.
Like you, I have a hard time believing that Two-Face is dead. The film's mantra is "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. In order to save the hope of the people of Gotham, it is very possible that Gordon, Batman and the mayor (who was in on the ongoing search for Harvey) concoct the story that he died - as a hero - at the hands of the Joker when in fact he is now the villian, still alive, in a straitjacket and padded cell at Arkham. After all, he is Two-Face; two sides to the same coin, both hero AND villain. Get it?
Also, after Batman, Harvey and Gordon's son fall off the edge of the building, we see the coin and it lands face UP.
Of course, if Aaron Eckhart does decide to play Captain America then there will be no mention of him and his final fate will left up to the viewer's imagination.
I think the reason they left it vague was to give them as much flexibility as possible for the now much more likely sequel.
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Damn you guys. In the city it is sold out through Wednesday, I think.
I wanna see it again!
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Too long, it bored my 16 year old nephew into walking out of the theater, I also reached the point in hoping it would end and it never seemed to. Never a good sign. Another Batman film which also happens to guest star The Batman, the joker stole the show, just like the first Joker appearance, the suit still looks terrible, hell the suit from the fan made film is superior. That being said it's still a terrific film, there is so much going on they could have (should have) stretched it into 2 films. The direction, action, acting where all good, just did not seem to flow as well as the original. The Batman was really conflicted in this film, not at all like the first and better film. I did not like the ending and the direction this film seemed to take, I am fearful about the next installment.
8/10
Superman: The movie is still tops in my book. A true hero that likes being a hero in an epic film that still has not been surpassed.
Superman: The movie is still tops in my book. A true hero that likes being a hero in an epic film that still has not been surpassed.
I have to say, for me the Superman films are like the Spiderman films for Tony. They are boring, campy, and irritating (Lois Lane annoys the s*** out of me). Gotta say, as far as Superman goes, George Reeves > Christopher Reeve.
I have to say, for me the Superman films are like the Spiderman films for Tony. They are boring, campy, and irritating (Lois Lane annoys the s*** out of me). Gotta say, as far as Superman goes, George Reeves > Christopher Reeve.
Sorry for the off topic chat.
I was only referring to the first film, which I did not find campy at all. I agree with you about Lois, however the rest of the cast was superb. As far as George Reeves > Christopher Reeve I have not watched the TV show since I was a wee lad, but during the scene in Lois's apartment, when Clark Kent contemplated telling Lois who he was, Christopher was brilliant, I thought he did an excellent job.
EDIT: Not exactly sure what the comparison with the two actors has to do with the quality of the first Superman film ?:)
Then I'd advise you, Dan to wait until the crowds were smaller so your frame of illusion isn't disturbed? Of course that might take a couple of weeks before crowds calm down some...
Probably longer, however I'm sure I'll see it before then.
Our viewing crowd was quiet - why? Because they all wanted to see the new Batman movie. Not going to be the same everywhere so you take your chances here and there.
I envy you. I suspect that because your audience was more passionate than mine, they were better behaved. Or perhaps, as you said, it all comes down to chance.
Nice picture ( :v ) but I can see that this is quickly degenerating into a Marvel vs. DC rant...and I'm down with that! Time for a Spiderman 2 Pop Quiz:
) I won't say anything more on Spider-Man versus Batman as it is off-topic and I can see that this is descending into farce ( ), but I love this, so don't be hesitant in doing more of this in the future. {[]
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I was only referring to the first film, which I did not find campy at all. I agree with you about Lois, however the rest of the cast was superb. As far as George Reeves > Christopher Reeve I have not watched the TV show since I was a wee lad, but during the scene in Lois's apartment, when Clark Kent contemplated telling Lois who he was, Christopher was brilliant, I thought he did an excellent job.
I completely agree with you, except for one thing. I loved Lois; I thought she was simply wonderful. :x In fact, I consider the first Superman to be simply perfect.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
TDK: it was okay. Ledger rocked, but Nolan seemed to have one note and played it repeatedly, by the end I was wanting it all to hurry up and be over with. Bale still makes a rather blah Wayne/Batman, just doesn't do much for me. Miller needs to film his TDKR graphic novel and do Batman right.
Miller needs to film his TDKR graphic novel and do Batman right.
As far as I am concerned this Batman is what Batman should be. I happened to catch a little of Batman and Robin on television yesterday and couldn't help, but notice how superior Nolan's Batman is to anything previous.
I completely agree with you, except for one thing. I loved Lois; I thought she was simply wonderful. :x In fact, I consider the first Superman to be simply perfect.
The only thing with Lois in Superman is that part of the way thru shooting Margot Kidder had significant facial reconstruction surgery which really changed the shape of her face (she says as much on the documentaries included with the latest DVD). Because the shoot was so long - they essentially shot two movies out of sequence back to back - she sometimes looks strikingly different from scene to scene. There are times when her face looks round and full, and at others it looks longer, more gaunt, and even the eyes are more sunk in. That was always something that stood out to me.
TDK: it was okay. Ledger rocked, but Nolan seemed to have one note and played it repeatedly, by the end I was wanting it all to hurry up and be over with. Bale still makes a rather blah Wayne/Batman, just doesn't do much for me. Miller needs to film his TDKR graphic novel and do Batman right.
Not sure what you mean by Nolan having only "one note" as I found the film's storyline to be quite dense and the characters were all over the map.
It is something of a downbeat film and if that's your beef I can understand that. I'd also like to see a less conflicted Bruce Wayne going forward so I could understand that reservation as well (although by the end of the film, at least it looks like he's finally made his peace with being Batman). But Nolan & Co. did craft a story that really gets us inside the characters' heads and I dare say he understands the characters better than any other filmmaker who's tackled the material so far - the Joker's final little monologue at the end summarizes his and Batman's relationship perfectly.
As for Frank Miller, I've said it before and I'll say it again: for my money, TDKR is one of the most overrated books I've ever read. Talk about "one note"; all Miller seems capable of in that book is that "fight the system / we can't trust authority / stick it to "the man" schtick of his. Once Nolan has finished his run, I'd love to see Zack Snyder take on Batman as I think he could really bring something to the series; but Miller can't stay far enough away for my tastes.
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As for Frank Miller, I've said it before and I'll say it again: for my money, TDKR is one of the most overrated books I've ever read. Talk about "one note"; all Miller seems capable of in that book is that "fight the system / we can't trust authority / stick it to "the man" schtick of his. Once Nolan has finished his run, I'd love to see Zack Snyder take on Batman as I think he could really bring something to the series; but Miller can't stay far enough away for my tastes.
) ) ) )
You and I aren't as far off as you might think about Frank Miller, Tony. With the exception of Miller's Daredevil run from back in the day, he's just a one-trick pony when it comes to stories. Everything he touches lately has to be imprinted with his Sin City way of thinking.
Everyone that I speak to that's into Batman all state that All-Star Batman has to be one of the worst renditions of the iconic character EVER. Miller's already turning The Spirit into SC 2.0 and I'm cringing in my seat that he's transmogrifying the late Will Eisner's creation (I grew up idolizing in magazines) in such a crappy direction. He's a comic book artist and not a director! X-(
As far as Zack Snyder one day doing a Batman movie, I run hot and cold with your suggestion, Tony.
Snyder does seem to have the talent to invoke the right atmosphere in his pictures but I watched 300 after all of the praise it seemed to get and I was not impressed as much as others.
That quick/slo-mo fighting had gotten monotonous & tiresome for me after the first couple of action sequences to an already weak story. Overdone and overrated IMO. This is probably the equivalent of you lamenting over how Nolan does his fighting shots, man.
Perhaps after I witness the, at first glance, beautiful spectacle of the Watchmen movie, I might change my mind about his tactics. There is certainly more pressure on him to get this one right more than it ever was with 300. Wait, who wrote that? 300? Oh yeah...Miller. 8-)
Now if Snyder really wanted to win me over, he should hire PAUL DINI to do the script. Now that's man who UNDERSTANDS Batman. I buy Detective Comics faithfully because of Dini and need I remind you all of the 90s animated series? That's right...Dini. He deserves a shot and so does Dwayne McDuffie. B-)
Just my opinion but like Barry has already said, Nolan comes the closes as far as understanding the integrity of the Batman mythos. Gritty & dark. By no means perfect but I seem to enjoy his work on Bats the most so far.
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edited July 2008
Well my Marvel fanboy co-workers were as good as their word and went through with the boycott/protest/whatever of trying to discourage people from seeing TDK.
Let me first say that one of them has been a little downtrodden all morning that Batman had snatched the all time b.o. take for an opening weekend from his man-crush Spider-Man. He hasn't said two words to anyone all day so far. )
The other has a black eye although he wouldn't go into detail as to how he got it. He did admit to me though that one of his tires on his car was slashed...SLASHED. ) ) )
No authorities were involved he said but the manager of this certain theatre asked them to leave promptly before authorities had to be involved. He told me this as he was holding back tears at the same time. ) ) ) )
They'll give me the details in a day or two once they get over the initial shock of what's happened to them.
One thing that I can say with confidence, Little Hal sets proudly on my desk... untampered with.
The power of The Bat is strong. Remember that, Dan. :v
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Well my Marvel fanboy co-workers were as good as their word and went through with the boycott/protest/whatever of trying to discourage people from seeing TDK.
Let me first say that one of them has been a little downtrodden all morning that Batman had snatched the all time b.o. take for an opening weekend from his man-crush Spider-Man. He hasn't said two words to anyone all day so far. )
The other has a black eye although he wouldn't go into detail as to how he got it. He did admit to me though that one of his tires on his car was slashed...SLASHED. ) ) )
No authorities were involved he said but the manager of this certain theatre asked them to leave promptly before authorities had to be involved. He told me this as he was holding back tears at the same time. ) ) ) )
They'll give me the details in a day or two once they get over the initial shock of what's happened to them.
One thing that I can say with confidence, Little Hal sets proudly on my desk... untampered with.
The power of The Bat is strong. Remember that, Dan. :v
Now that was priceless; serves them right. )
Of course, if they're really feeling down, you should reach out to them, pat them on the back, and ask them ... Why so serious? :v
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Stop slummin'. If you read what I said a few pages back, I didn't like Gotham Knight AT ALL. X-(
And I'll say ODD all I want to. X-(
And just so that you know, I faked it when I said that I love Spider-Man 2.
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BTW, if you did indeed fake your love for Spider-Man 2, what does your son have to say about that? :v
It's my Spider-Sense getting all tingly.
Although to be fair, such a fantastic plot device really wouldn't fit in Nolan's vision of Batman. Notice that all traces of the Lazarus pits were removed from BB; even his immortality was reduced to Bruce Wayne's comments about "cheap parlor tricks." As such, when it comes to this current franchise, I think Raas is dead and buried.
If Batman had to have a love interest, I guess Talia is as good as anyone. But truthfully, after the events of TDK I think it would be better if Bruce just goes stag for a while. Every Batman film has felt the need to tack a love interest into the mix (and most of the time it just didn't feel natural) and I'd just as soon see him go it alone for once.
As for the Lazarus Pit, I think the fact that we wouldn't expect it in Nolan's universe makes it a very enticing thought. Challenging Bruce Wayne's accepted reality seems almost logical, in that sense B-)
Though I haven't seen TDK for a second time yet, I'm fully prepared to lodge an official protest against the notion that it 'isn't fun' ?:) I thought it was a BLAST! B-) And I'm guessing, based on the repeat business this juggernaut is going to do over the next few weeks, that I'm not alone.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Like Tony sez, that's fine with me. If not, he could always take a shot at Detective Rodriguez, or how 'bout Jim Gordon's wife, Barbara? A little bit of Bat-philandering could add a spicy new element to the film!
My son? Spider-Man 2 is dumbed down by comparison to TDK - HIS WORDS, NOT MINE. He would NEVER say that before, trust me. :v
He wants to go back for repeated viewings.
I mean I love the Spidey films...well at least 2/3rds of them but after witnessing the awesomeness of Batman's latest adventure, I sort of see the things in each one of Webhead's installments that TonyDP lamented over. Part 3 more than tarnished Raimi's chances at an awesome trilogy.
If you don't think so, try watching SM3 after a few drinks. Hell, do it sober.
Sorry, friend but Nolan raised the bar once again when it comes to this genre. The movie was AMAZING.
At this point, only Iron Man 2 has a legitimate chance to stir this much of a frenzy over the anticipation of another summer comic book film. And still Favreau's got to do his homework to outdo himself.
One thing that I am sure of, I'm going to be a DVD buying fool from all of these summer blockbusters popping out one after the other...
Not since 1989 has summer movie going been so interesting. B-)
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I also was disappointed she wasn't Montoya, as I thought she was originally. But Montoya couldn't be evil, so I guess it is a good thing.
At any rate, I was just funnin' y'all!
I'm not a fan of SM3, so any attempt to convince me that the Batman films are better than the Spider-Man films based on SM3 is bound to fail.
I think that DK is very good, but I'm not sure if I agree with this statement. I will be definitely be seeing DK again, and I might come away with a greater appreciation, but for now, I don't think it is as good as you think it is.
Rogue, the truth is, I honestly don't know what I think of DK. I missed alot of details due to my seeing it in a busy theatre (I don't deal well with crowds
Then I'd advise you, Dan to wait until the crowds were smaller so your frame of illusion isn't disturbed? Of course that might take a couple of weeks before crowds calm down some...
Our viewing crowd was quiet - why? Because they all wanted to see the new Batman movie. Not going to be the same everywhere so you take your chances here and there.
You know, Dan. You've just forced me to go there... I swear to you that I didn't want to but you kept pushing & pushing! X-(
Just so you know...I didn't concoct this little gag.
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'Dark Knight' sets weekend record with $155.34M
Sunday July 20 10:09 AM ET
LOS ANGELES (AP) A Warner Bros. executive says the Batman sequel "The Dark Knight" has taken in $155.34 million to top "Spider-Man 3" for best opening weekend ever at the box office.
The figures released Sunday show "The Dark Knight" more than $4 million ahead of the $151.1 million first weekend for "Spider-Man 3" in May 2007.
Studio distribution chief Dan Fellman says "The Dark Knight" also broke the "Spider-Man 3" record for best debut in IMAX large-screen theaters with $6.2 million. "Spider-Man 3" opened with $4.7 million in IMAX cinemas.
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The more I think about TDK, the more I like it. It will be a DVD to buy that is for sure.
Nice picture ( :v ) but I can see that this is quickly degenerating into a Marvel vs. DC rant...and I'm down with that! Time for a Spiderman 2 Pop Quiz:
1. When your ungrateful customer refuses to pay for the pizza because you were 4 minutes late do you
(A.) Take the pizzas back
(B.) "Convince" her to pay
(C.) Meekly turn over the pizzas and get fired
2. When the editor of the rag you work for continues to use your own photos to slander your alter ego do you...
(A.) Use you special abilities to make him see the error of his ways
(B.) Sell your photos to another newspaper
(C.) Continue to sell your photos to your ungrateful editor for a fraction of their value
3. When your poor indigent aunt is about to lose her home do you
(A.) Use your special abilities to get her the money she needs
(B.) "Convince" the bank manager to give her the loan
(C.) Go help her pack
4. When your best friend slaps you around in public do you
(A.) Tell him his father was a super-criminal
(B.) Slap him back to show that you will not be stepped on
(C.) Stand there and take it like the impotent wimp that you are
5. When the girl of your dreams tells you she's marrying someone else do you
(A.) Profess your love for her
(B.) Tell her your secret so she knows why you do what you do
(C.) Go home and cry
6. When the going gets rough do you
(A.) Endure
(B.) Turn up the heat on the criminals
(C.) Quit and try to live a normal life while "Raindrops Keep Fallin' On My Head" plays in the background
If you answered "C" to any of the above questions, then you probably think Spiderman 2 was the greatest comic book movie ever. Poor deluded soul.
As for me, at my brother's insistence, we saw TDK again today - refreshed after a good night's rest and with a really eager crowd - and I must recant most of my prior misgivings. I had a far far better time the second time around and the movie DEMANDS repeated viewings to get all the nuances of plot, action and characterization. Best comic book movie ever? Can't say for sure, but it probably does do a better job than any other comic movie in really "getting" its characters. Regardless, it leaves all of the Spiderman films in the dust.
BTW Rogue, we saw the new trailer to The Spirit and as to your misgivings about the movie, I...I...I...damn, does Eva Mendes look hot!!!
Well, Tony,I have to commend you for at least giving it another shot and I'm glad that you liked it more the second time around. It is worth repeated viewings. {[]
But I want to know what you or anyone who's seen this film what do you think of this theory...
Upon me seeing it a second time today:
Wouldn't the director want to have Gotham's most celebrated hero behind Batman have better closure and assuring us that Dent would not return with some form of procession?
If you noticed all throughout the movie, there was alot of falling from respectable heights going on. Even Batman dropped Maroni from a similiar distance in which he just broke his legs BUT SURVIVED.
I truly believe that Harvey is at Arkham under some kind of John Doe only to emerge in the third film and discount the falsehood that Gordon praised him for. Dent survived that fall; this misdirection is right up Nolan's alley IMO.
Anyone have any ideas on that little theory? Then again, it could mean nothing. ;%
Agreed. She is hot...Miller trailer...not.
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Like you, I have a hard time believing that Two-Face is dead. The film's mantra is "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. In order to save the hope of the people of Gotham, it is very possible that Gordon, Batman and the mayor (who was in on the ongoing search for Harvey) concoct the story that he died - as a hero - at the hands of the Joker when in fact he is now the villian, still alive, in a straitjacket and padded cell at Arkham. After all, he is Two-Face; two sides to the same coin, both hero AND villain. Get it?
Also, after Batman, Harvey and Gordon's son fall off the edge of the building, we see the coin and it lands face UP.
Of course, if Aaron Eckhart does decide to play Captain America then there will be no mention of him and his final fate will left up to the viewer's imagination.
I think the reason they left it vague was to give them as much flexibility as possible for the now much more likely sequel.
I wanna see it again!
I told you. Where do you think I went to see Batman in '89? Things haven't changed that much in the city if at all.
Thanks, Tony. I'm glad that I wasn't the only one thinking so. And I'll hold out with that until it's proven otherwise. B-)
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8/10
Superman: The movie is still tops in my book. A true hero that likes being a hero in an epic film that still has not been surpassed.
The downer of course is that it will probably be another three years before we see just what does happen.
I have to say, for me the Superman films are like the Spiderman films for Tony. They are boring, campy, and irritating (Lois Lane annoys the s*** out of me). Gotta say, as far as Superman goes, George Reeves > Christopher Reeve.
I envy you.
As far as I am concerned this Batman is what Batman should be. I happened to catch a little of Batman and Robin on television yesterday and couldn't help, but notice how superior Nolan's Batman is to anything previous.
The only thing with Lois in Superman is that part of the way thru shooting Margot Kidder had significant facial reconstruction surgery which really changed the shape of her face (she says as much on the documentaries included with the latest DVD). Because the shoot was so long - they essentially shot two movies out of sequence back to back - she sometimes looks strikingly different from scene to scene. There are times when her face looks round and full, and at others it looks longer, more gaunt, and even the eyes are more sunk in. That was always something that stood out to me.
Not sure what you mean by Nolan having only "one note" as I found the film's storyline to be quite dense and the characters were all over the map.
It is something of a downbeat film and if that's your beef I can understand that. I'd also like to see a less conflicted Bruce Wayne going forward so I could understand that reservation as well (although by the end of the film, at least it looks like he's finally made his peace with being Batman). But Nolan & Co. did craft a story that really gets us inside the characters' heads and I dare say he understands the characters better than any other filmmaker who's tackled the material so far - the Joker's final little monologue at the end summarizes his and Batman's relationship perfectly.
As for Frank Miller, I've said it before and I'll say it again: for my money, TDKR is one of the most overrated books I've ever read. Talk about "one note"; all Miller seems capable of in that book is that "fight the system / we can't trust authority / stick it to "the man" schtick of his. Once Nolan has finished his run, I'd love to see Zack Snyder take on Batman as I think he could really bring something to the series; but Miller can't stay far enough away for my tastes.
You and I aren't as far off as you might think about Frank Miller, Tony. With the exception of Miller's Daredevil run from back in the day, he's just a one-trick pony when it comes to stories. Everything he touches lately has to be imprinted with his Sin City way of thinking.
Everyone that I speak to that's into Batman all state that All-Star Batman has to be one of the worst renditions of the iconic character EVER. Miller's already turning The Spirit into SC 2.0 and I'm cringing in my seat that he's transmogrifying the late Will Eisner's creation (I grew up idolizing in magazines) in such a crappy direction. He's a comic book artist and not a director! X-(
Everybody's drinking Miller's Kool-Aid...including Miller.
As far as Zack Snyder one day doing a Batman movie, I run hot and cold with your suggestion, Tony.
Snyder does seem to have the talent to invoke the right atmosphere in his pictures but I watched 300 after all of the praise it seemed to get and I was not impressed as much as others.
That quick/slo-mo fighting had gotten monotonous & tiresome for me after the first couple of action sequences to an already weak story. Overdone and overrated IMO. This is probably the equivalent of you lamenting over how Nolan does his fighting shots, man.
Perhaps after I witness the, at first glance, beautiful spectacle of the Watchmen movie, I might change my mind about his tactics. There is certainly more pressure on him to get this one right more than it ever was with 300. Wait, who wrote that? 300? Oh yeah...Miller. 8-)
Now if Snyder really wanted to win me over, he should hire PAUL DINI to do the script. Now that's man who UNDERSTANDS Batman. I buy Detective Comics faithfully because of Dini and need I remind you all of the 90s animated series? That's right...Dini. He deserves a shot and so does Dwayne McDuffie. B-)
Just my opinion but like Barry has already said, Nolan comes the closes as far as understanding the integrity of the Batman mythos. Gritty & dark. By no means perfect but I seem to enjoy his work on Bats the most so far.
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
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Let me first say that one of them has been a little downtrodden all morning that Batman had snatched the all time b.o. take for an opening weekend from his man-crush Spider-Man. He hasn't said two words to anyone all day so far.
The other has a black eye although he wouldn't go into detail as to how he got it. He did admit to me though that one of his tires on his car was slashed...SLASHED.
No authorities were involved he said but the manager of this certain theatre asked them to leave promptly before authorities had to be involved. He told me this as he was holding back tears at the same time.
They'll give me the details in a day or two once they get over the initial shock of what's happened to them.
One thing that I can say with confidence, Little Hal sets proudly on my desk... untampered with.
The power of The Bat is strong. Remember that, Dan. :v
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
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Now that was priceless; serves them right.
Of course, if they're really feeling down, you should reach out to them, pat them on the back, and ask them ... Why so serious? :v