How can you do this to me? X-( You must really hate Spidey to want to rub it so much. But why? Is it because, unlike Iron Man (and Batman) Spidey has real superpowers. Forget the whole suit nonsence, he has spider-like powers. But perhaps it's because, unlike Iron Man, Spidey has a wonderful girl whom he ends up be with (which leads to the extraordinary scene at the end of Spider-Man 2 in which she tells him to 'go for it tiger!'). But, maybe it's because, you know deep down that Spidey could kick the a*** of both Iron Man and Batman in a fight and be home in plenty of time for some home-baked pie from Aunt May.
Actually, although it's undoubtfully all of those reasons, I know the biggest reason; sorry, Tony, your secret is out. The reason you constantly attack Spidey is because you're devastated that, to the non-comicbook reading public, Spidey is an absolute legend, while Iron Man is a b-grade 'superhero' at best, assuming they've actually heard of him before the release of the film. :v )
Well Dan, you're right. I am jealous of Spiderman. But not for the reasons you think. Yes, he has a great girl (for now anyway) but Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne probably have more women in one weekend than Parker has gets in his entire life. And Spiderman might prevail in a fair fight, but we both know that Iron Man and Batman never fight fair - they do what it takes to win. And Wayne and Stark made more money in the last 30 seconds that Parker will in his entire life.
No, the reason I hate Spiderman is because...I was once in love with Aunt May! Yes, it's true. I used to have a thing for the old bag. The way her skin creased when she smiled. The way her false teeth chattered when she laughed. The way she grabbed her chest every time she had a heart attack. She was quite the spinster; even Doc Ock had a thing for her once. But she spurned my advances. I could have given her everything but she refused me. Why? So she could bake apple pie and wheatcakes for her beloved nephew. And for that she must die, after she sees her dear Peter utterly ruined.
And you will help me Dan. Just look at this angry, spiteful post that I goaded you into releasing. RogueAgent and I have indeed filled you with hate and loathing. At last, you have touched the Dark Side. Doesn't it feel good...Darth Sameus! :v
Why, oh why, did DK have to overtake one of the greatest comicbook films of all time (that's right, Tony, you can't deny its brilliance )? Ah, well, there's still the first Spider-Man film. DK hasn't overtaken that yet, and who knows, maybe it's done as well as it could and it'll soon be going to DVD? :v
It took a bit to find this post but, oh yes it has. Read it and weep Dan...
(1) The Dark Knight - $405,699,734
(2) Spider-Man - $403,706,375
(3) Spider-Man 2 - $373,585,825
(4) Spider-Man 3 - $336,530,303
(5) Iron Man - $315,873,917
it's too hard to fathom that a millionaire might have an older model Japanese vehicle among his collection of cars?
Well.... yes.
C'mon...It wasn't his car.
Well if and when I ever came into a substantial amount of money, I'd probably drive around occasionally in some older model car...pretty sure my wife won't want anything used or old. )
For me it would be a '57 Chevy Convertible. Red. B-)
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For me it would be a '57 Chevy Convertible. Red. B-)
Jade's gonna drive a Corvette convertible...when they come out :v
If I were Bruce Wayne, I'd own everything from Lamborghinis to 'beaters'...just because I could.
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For me it would be a '57 Chevy Convertible. Red. B-)
Jade's gonna drive a Corvette convertible...when they come out :v
If I were Bruce Wayne, I'd own everything from Lamborghinis to 'beaters'...just because I could.
If I was Bruce Wayne, I would buy a Ferrari. I can't drive, (a situation that will probably never change), so I would get one not to drive but to look at. It is such a beautiful car; it's like a work of art. But then what I would do, is buy my brother one. He would probably refuse it as he seems to have a problem with fancy cars ( ), but I would get him one anyway, so that he can drive me.
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Always have preferred Lamborghinis to Ferraris. While Ferrari has made some beautiful pieces, and arguably have cars that are better drives (or so I read), the sex appeal put into the lines of a Lambo is much more beautiful.
Oh, or am I not allowed to have an opinion on that? )
Something just occurred to me. Batman is far better served the 1960s serials than the modern movies.
Wait! Come back! I don't mean in terms of the tone, that's a matter of taste.
Rather, that the weekly instalments on telly better reflected the weekly ritual of picking up a comic from your local newspaper. (Though with graphic novels these days, perhaps the comparison no longer holds?)
Imagine if you had a lengthy, 20 episode series of The Dark Knight, along the lines of The Wire, The Sopranos or 24. Think what Nolan could have achieved with that... we could be introduced to Harvey Dent over several weeks, getting to know him gradually and see his relationship develop with, er, Rachel (is that her name?). He could 'turn' into Two Face around episode 11-15, and the impact would be tremendous. Over several weeks, you really feel you know a character. As it is, Nolan has to shoehorn everything into one film, and even at well over 2 hours, it seems a bit rushed. The 'let me expose Bruce Wayne as Batman' subplot could be entertainingly drawn out over two or three episodes, rather than snuck in hurriedly. The whole shebang would have the growing, dark brooding menace of those other series I mentioned.
What's more, the villains in the movies are getting a bit like Bond villains; it's like the whole film is either given over to them completely, in which case they have to die at the end, or they mix it up with two villains and they cancel each other out, as in The Riddler and Two Face in Forever. I mean, will the Joker be back for the next one? If not, then it's 4-5 years, that's right, years, before we see him again. You wouldn't get that in a series.
There's also the sense that the series plays its trump card - the Joker - too early. After that, it's diminishing returns. The Riddler is really only a wordier version of the Joker to most audiences. Penguin is just some bloke with an umbrella... okay I guess I'm showing up my lack of knowledge here to fanboys. But in a series you can have, say, the Joker weave in and out of various episodes without being accused of repetition, while the other villains are light relief.
Something just occurred to me. Batman is far better served the 1960s serials than the modern movies.
Wait! Come back! I don't mean in terms of the tone, that's a matter of taste.
Rather, that the weekly instalments on telly better reflected the weekly ritual of picking up a comic from your local newspaper. (Though with graphic novels these days, perhaps the comparison no longer holds?)
One of the things I've always pined for (though I know it won't happen) is a Batman movie comprised of 3 or 4 loosely connected adventures that are no longer than 30-40 minutes each. You can have a different villain for each story and the pace will always be brisk because you don't have to work in unlikely relationships or unnecessary character developments or overly complicated plots. Like those comics of old, you'd distill the characters down to their essence and just tell a few kick-ass stories. It could be a lot of fun - like a live action version of Batman: The Animated Series - but I don't think Hollywood has the vision or balls to do that kind of anthology with an established character like Batman.
Good point Naps about weekly-installment Batman. Kinda why I like BTAS best of the filmed Batmans, captures the source material well and you get a new hit of it every week.
Glad that all superhero films this summer seem to be doing okay, yeah TDK took the biggest slice of the pie but Marvel's output got enough butts in seats to keep them doing what they're doing, I hope. Cuz I'd hate to see a lot of copycat TDKs popping up, even if one likes TDK I think it's pretty easy to see how a lesser attempt in that vein could be really bad (there's been lots like that made/released in past years already, just hard to remember them ). So far, it's been a very good year for these types of films, hard to remember a better one.
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I don't think this has been posted before. It's early Joker concept art.
Warning: Some of the comments below the artwork contain profanity.
Something just occurred to me. Batman is far better served the 1960s serials than the modern movies.
Wait! Come back! I don't mean in terms of the tone, that's a matter of taste.
Rather, that the weekly instalments on telly better reflected the weekly ritual of picking up a comic from your local newspaper. (Though with graphic novels these days, perhaps the comparison no longer holds?)
One of the things I've always pined for (though I know it won't happen) is a Batman movie comprised of 3 or 4 loosely connected adventures that are no longer than 30-40 minutes each. You can have a different villain for each story and the pace will always be brisk because you don't have to work in unlikely relationships or unnecessary character developments or overly complicated plots. Like those comics of old, you'd distill the characters down to their essence and just tell a few kick-ass stories. It could be a lot of fun - like a live action version of Batman: The Animated Series - but I don't think Hollywood has the vision or balls to do that kind of anthology with an established character like Batman.
That would be really interesting; I'd like to see that. I watched the Gotham Knight cartoon thingy last night and I though that whilst it wasn't quie there, I really enjoyed the way it worked.
Got to say that I prefer Batman being treated in a stylistic way to how Nolan has him just plonked into a crime thriller. Batman's supposed to look good.
Interesting pics there. I don't know if its because they're out of focus, but Joker looks a lot like Mason Verger from Hannibal in those shots; I much prefer the finished look from the film, even though I wasn't wild about Joker using makeup rather than having real bleached skin.
Well, it looks like for the fourth weekend in a row, TDK is the #1 movie at the U.S. boxoffice. BoxOfficeMojo is estimating that the Bat took in $26 million, beating out the stoner comedy The Pineapple Express's $22.4 mil. Mummy Dearest or whatever it's called has dropped to $16 mil. Amazingly, TDK is also now the third-all time grossing movie in the country, behind only Titanic and the original Star Wars. Somehow I don't think Heath Ledger's death has everything to do with the movie's success. . .
I'm off the see TDK next week. I have only seen 1 batman movie (don't kill me please....! ) and I can't remember which one {:) but it was with Keaton (who I thought was actually quite good) so, is there anything I need to know (and I'm not looking for a 15 page thesis here..I know some of you are very very knowledgeable on this) before I go see it, or do I just rock up and enjoy the show?
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is there anything I need to know (and I'm not looking for a 15 page thesis here..I know some of you are very very knowledgeable on this) before I go see it, or do I just rock up and enjoy the show?
Just rock up and enjoy the movie. It's not everyone's cup of tea but your review will be no less accepted.
Seeing that you're not a disciple of The Bat, try and enjoy it for what it's worth.
Then again you might be converted after the two-hour and a half view. Who knows? :v
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Lex, I'd also highly recommend the first Nolan Batman, now available on DVD ( ), Batman Begins B-)
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Anyone else think Bruce is much less nuts in TDK than he was in Begins?
Yeah...maybe so. I think he's settling into the cowl---so to speak---and has a focus.
Somebody earlier in this thread indicated a desire that Wayne be more comfortable/resolved about being the Batman; I think it's coming---perhaps that'll be the hook/resolution in the third part of the trilogy.
As long as they bring back a rebuilt Wayne Manor...and the batcave B-)
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Lex, I'd also highly recommend the first Nolan Batman, now available on DVD ( ), Batman Begins B-)
..thanks for the tip, but is it a pre-req before I go see it? (I don't think I'll have time?)Or would a quick review/plot synopsis suffice for now, (and watch it later?)
She's worth whatever chaos she brings to the table and you know it. ~ Mark Anthony
Lex, I'd also highly recommend the first Nolan Batman, now available on DVD ( ), Batman Begins B-)
..thanks for the tip, but is it a pre-req before I go see it? (I don't think I'll have time?)Or would a quick review/plot synopsis suffice for now, (and watch it later?)
Rich dude learns how to be a ninja abroad and goes ever so slightly insane, comes home to find his home city has gone to crap, decides to dress up as a bat to scare crims, does so with the help of his butler and an old feller who works for his company and much to the chagrin of his childhood friend Rachel (who he also fancies the pants off), who is the world's first teenage assistant DA or something.
There's some stuff about Batman being engineered as a concept to help the city start to help itself which is one of the better concepts and carries over to TDK.
Anyone else think Bruce is much less nuts in TDK than he was in Begins?
Yeah...maybe so. I think he's settling into the cowl---so to speak---and has a focus.
Maybe- I still think that they portrayed him as far too insane in the first one and I get the feeling that they tried to tone that down this time.
It's possible...though it seems a fairly natural character progression to me.
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Anyone else think Bruce is much less nuts in TDK than he was in Begins?
I thought he was less. Period. At least in BB he got a few scenes where he could go all emo-boy active. In TDK Wayne is very passive IMO. Pitfall of many a sequel.
Anyone else think Bruce is much less nuts in TDK than he was in Begins?
I thought he was less. Period. At least in BB he got a few scenes where he could go all emo-boy active. In TDK Wayne is very passive IMO. Pitfall of many a sequel.
Maybe, but it's almost nice to have an element that they didn't throw the kitchen sink at in this movie. It's like five movie scripts crammed into one: far, far too much happening. I was watching it mentally editing things out that just didn't need to be there: copycat Batmen; Lamborghini sequence; sonar rigmarole; Gordon's fake death; any number of the Joker's clever plans... just so much piling up that gets in the way of the film. If Bruce had been having yet another nervous breakdown on top of all that I think I might have screamed at the screen.
Save it for the DVD next time, Christopher!
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In TDK Wayne is very passive IMO. Pitfall of many a sequel.
Gotta say, Wayne's alleged 'passivity' in TDK eluded me completely ?:)
Guess that's it in a nutshell, though, re: those who liked it vs those who didn't {[] Very, very similar to the eternal debate between Bond camps; skies with different colours
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In TDK Wayne is very passive IMO. Pitfall of many a sequel.
Gotta say, Wayne's alleged 'passivity' in TDK eluded me completely ?:)
Guess that's it in a nutshell, though, re: those who liked it vs those who didn't {[] Very, very similar to the eternal debate between Bond camps; skies with different colours
Agree with Loeffs here - passive? Do you remember when he goes crazy and beats the crap out of the Joker in the interrogation room? So crazy, in fact, that he barricades the door so the cops can't get in?
Or maybe when he takes a trip to Hong Kong, glides off a building into another building, beats some guards up, seizes a fugitive, and jumps backwards out the window, only to be hoisted by a plane?
Or maybe when he decides to start beating up cops and enemies alike in order to get to the Joker (and save the cops, too, but that is beside the point)?
Jeez, guys, I'm surprised you haven't realized how similar you guys are being to the anti-CR crowd... who I'm pretty sure you guys ended up getting into fights with because "if they didn't like the film they didn't have to post". )
Come on, guys, don't be so critical - 400 million dollars worth of tickets can't be wrong. Except in the case of Titanic.
well, just finished BB and I have to say I really liked it. Alot.
What's not to like..a good plot, great actors (Morgan Freeman in particular)great script and let's not forget the tortured soul that is Bale. And that costume....brilliant.
Really glad I watched it..and I'm now curious to see what TDK has to offer.
(and I hate to admit this, but Batman gets my vote over Spidey...sorry Dan )
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In BB Wayne was poorly written, the character was changed too much from the original source material IMO; in TDK Wayne was underwritten, came across rather bland to me. Preferred Downey Jr's Tony Stark (way better written/acted) and Edward Norton's Bruce Banner (marginally better written but also Norton did far more with what he had than Bale did with what he had IMO).
Just strongly disagree with Nolan's Batman vision/execution, should've named the character Wombatman or something. Even the scene with the Joker when Batman gets all grrr didn't do much for me, seemed to not add up to anything. Different strokes (hey, lots of folks were ga-ga over Brosnan as Bond, oh well).
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Well Dan, you're right. I am jealous of Spiderman. But not for the reasons you think. Yes, he has a great girl (for now anyway) but Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne probably have more women in one weekend than Parker has gets in his entire life. And Spiderman might prevail in a fair fight, but we both know that Iron Man and Batman never fight fair - they do what it takes to win. And Wayne and Stark made more money in the last 30 seconds that Parker will in his entire life.
No, the reason I hate Spiderman is because...I was once in love with Aunt May! Yes, it's true. I used to have a thing for the old bag. The way her skin creased when she smiled. The way her false teeth chattered when she laughed. The way she grabbed her chest every time she had a heart attack. She was quite the spinster; even Doc Ock had a thing for her once. But she spurned my advances. I could have given her everything but she refused me. Why? So she could bake apple pie and wheatcakes for her beloved nephew. And for that she must die, after she sees her dear Peter utterly ruined.
And you will help me Dan. Just look at this angry, spiteful post that I goaded you into releasing. RogueAgent and I have indeed filled you with hate and loathing. At last, you have touched the Dark Side. Doesn't it feel good...Darth Sameus! :v
That's the spirit! Remember, madness is a lot like gravity. Sometimes, all you need is a little push. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Well, uh...there is nothing further to say on this post...Bon appetit, Dan!
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Well.... yes.
C'mon...It wasn't his car.
Well if and when I ever came into a substantial amount of money, I'd probably drive around occasionally in some older model car...pretty sure my wife won't want anything used or old.
For me it would be a '57 Chevy Convertible. Red. B-)
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Jade's gonna drive a Corvette convertible...when they come out :v
If I were Bruce Wayne, I'd own everything from Lamborghinis to 'beaters'...just because I could.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Oh, or am I not allowed to have an opinion on that?
Wait! Come back! I don't mean in terms of the tone, that's a matter of taste.
Rather, that the weekly instalments on telly better reflected the weekly ritual of picking up a comic from your local newspaper. (Though with graphic novels these days, perhaps the comparison no longer holds?)
Imagine if you had a lengthy, 20 episode series of The Dark Knight, along the lines of The Wire, The Sopranos or 24. Think what Nolan could have achieved with that... we could be introduced to Harvey Dent over several weeks, getting to know him gradually and see his relationship develop with, er, Rachel (is that her name?). He could 'turn' into Two Face around episode 11-15, and the impact would be tremendous. Over several weeks, you really feel you know a character. As it is, Nolan has to shoehorn everything into one film, and even at well over 2 hours, it seems a bit rushed. The 'let me expose Bruce Wayne as Batman' subplot could be entertainingly drawn out over two or three episodes, rather than snuck in hurriedly. The whole shebang would have the growing, dark brooding menace of those other series I mentioned.
What's more, the villains in the movies are getting a bit like Bond villains; it's like the whole film is either given over to them completely, in which case they have to die at the end, or they mix it up with two villains and they cancel each other out, as in The Riddler and Two Face in Forever. I mean, will the Joker be back for the next one? If not, then it's 4-5 years, that's right, years, before we see him again. You wouldn't get that in a series.
There's also the sense that the series plays its trump card - the Joker - too early. After that, it's diminishing returns. The Riddler is really only a wordier version of the Joker to most audiences. Penguin is just some bloke with an umbrella... okay I guess I'm showing up my lack of knowledge here to fanboys. But in a series you can have, say, the Joker weave in and out of various episodes without being accused of repetition, while the other villains are light relief.
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One of the things I've always pined for (though I know it won't happen) is a Batman movie comprised of 3 or 4 loosely connected adventures that are no longer than 30-40 minutes each. You can have a different villain for each story and the pace will always be brisk because you don't have to work in unlikely relationships or unnecessary character developments or overly complicated plots. Like those comics of old, you'd distill the characters down to their essence and just tell a few kick-ass stories. It could be a lot of fun - like a live action version of Batman: The Animated Series - but I don't think Hollywood has the vision or balls to do that kind of anthology with an established character like Batman.
Glad that all superhero films this summer seem to be doing okay, yeah TDK took the biggest slice of the pie but Marvel's output got enough butts in seats to keep them doing what they're doing, I hope. Cuz I'd hate to see a lot of copycat TDKs popping up, even if one likes TDK I think it's pretty easy to see how a lesser attempt in that vein could be really bad (there's been lots like that made/released in past years already, just hard to remember them
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That would be really interesting; I'd like to see that. I watched the Gotham Knight cartoon thingy last night and I though that whilst it wasn't quie there, I really enjoyed the way it worked.
Got to say that I prefer Batman being treated in a stylistic way to how Nolan has him just plonked into a crime thriller. Batman's supposed to look good.
Interesting pics there. I don't know if its because they're out of focus, but Joker looks a lot like Mason Verger from Hannibal in those shots; I much prefer the finished look from the film, even though I wasn't wild about Joker using makeup rather than having real bleached skin.
I'm off the see TDK next week. I have only seen 1 batman movie (don't kill me please....!
Just rock up and enjoy the movie. It's not everyone's cup of tea but your review will be no less accepted.
Seeing that you're not a disciple of The Bat, try and enjoy it for what it's worth.
Then again you might be converted after the two-hour and a half view. Who knows? :v
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Yeah...maybe so. I think he's settling into the cowl---so to speak---and has a focus.
Somebody earlier in this thread indicated a desire that Wayne be more comfortable/resolved about being the Batman; I think it's coming---perhaps that'll be the hook/resolution in the third part of the trilogy.
As long as they bring back a rebuilt Wayne Manor...and the batcave B-)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
..thanks for the tip, but is it a pre-req before I go see it? (I don't think I'll have time?)Or would a quick review/plot synopsis suffice for now, (and watch it later?)
Rich dude learns how to be a ninja abroad and goes ever so slightly insane, comes home to find his home city has gone to crap, decides to dress up as a bat to scare crims, does so with the help of his butler and an old feller who works for his company and much to the chagrin of his childhood friend Rachel (who he also fancies the pants off), who is the world's first teenage assistant DA or something.
There's some stuff about Batman being engineered as a concept to help the city start to help itself which is one of the better concepts and carries over to TDK.
Maybe- I still think that they portrayed him as far too insane in the first one and I get the feeling that they tried to tone that down this time.
It's possible...though it seems a fairly natural character progression to me.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Maybe, but it's almost nice to have an element that they didn't throw the kitchen sink at in this movie. It's like five movie scripts crammed into one: far, far too much happening. I was watching it mentally editing things out that just didn't need to be there: copycat Batmen; Lamborghini sequence; sonar rigmarole; Gordon's fake death; any number of the Joker's clever plans... just so much piling up that gets in the way of the film. If Bruce had been having yet another nervous breakdown on top of all that I think I might have screamed at the screen.
Save it for the DVD next time, Christopher!
Gotta say, Wayne's alleged 'passivity' in TDK eluded me completely ?:)
Guess that's it in a nutshell, though, re: those who liked it vs those who didn't {[] Very, very similar to the eternal debate between Bond camps; skies with different colours
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Agree with Loeffs here - passive? Do you remember when he goes crazy and beats the crap out of the Joker in the interrogation room? So crazy, in fact, that he barricades the door so the cops can't get in?
Or maybe when he takes a trip to Hong Kong, glides off a building into another building, beats some guards up, seizes a fugitive, and jumps backwards out the window, only to be hoisted by a plane?
Or maybe when he decides to start beating up cops and enemies alike in order to get to the Joker (and save the cops, too, but that is beside the point)?
Jeez, guys, I'm surprised you haven't realized how similar you guys are being to the anti-CR crowd... who I'm pretty sure you guys ended up getting into fights with because "if they didn't like the film they didn't have to post".
Come on, guys, don't be so critical - 400 million dollars worth of tickets can't be wrong. Except in the case of Titanic.
What's not to like..a good plot, great actors (Morgan Freeman in particular)great script and let's not forget the tortured soul that is Bale. And that costume....brilliant.
Really glad I watched it..and I'm now curious to see what TDK has to offer.
(and I hate to admit this, but Batman gets my vote over Spidey...sorry Dan
In BB Wayne was poorly written, the character was changed too much from the original source material IMO; in TDK Wayne was underwritten, came across rather bland to me. Preferred Downey Jr's Tony Stark (way better written/acted) and Edward Norton's Bruce Banner (marginally better written but also Norton did far more with what he had than Bale did with what he had IMO).
Just strongly disagree with Nolan's Batman vision/execution, should've named the character Wombatman or something. Even the scene with the Joker when Batman gets all grrr didn't do much for me, seemed to not add up to anything. Different strokes (hey, lots of folks were ga-ga over Brosnan as Bond, oh well).