I have to agree with Willie Garvin's points about the Dark Knight in that it was much too bleak for me. It was a good film, and so was Batman Begins. But the truth for me is that I never feel compelled to watch either movie a second time (I actually watched BB twice...once in the theater, and then again on DVD with my wife since she had never seen it...After that, though, nothing). I'm truly amazed that DK did so well financially, since I cannot understand this recent trend for audiences to immerse themselves over and over again into these 'darker' films. I think the 'grittier' Bond movies are also an example of this trend. Each of those films I saw only once in the theater and had no desire to watch again, yet there obviously is an audience out there that is responding positively to these types of films.
I'm not saying it's wrong, but the honest truth is that I simply don't see what the 'big deal' is in films like these that compels others to watch them over and over.
It appears that Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan have agreed to make a third film, with a release date scheduled for 2011. At the moment, though, there isn't a script and negotiations re still being completed between the studio and the cast/crew (particularly Bale) over money.
Really? Do you have a link to this information?
Although, you're hardly the lying type, Dan, you're intentions towards Batman aren't remotely the least "loyal"...
How do I know that you're not telling us "porky-pies?" :v
If you're not then it's good news.
No, sorry, I don't have a link. However, I think that Perez Hilton's blog mentions it.
It shouldn't be all that surprising. WB would almost certainly, salary demands notwithstanding, want Bale and Nolan to return. One source has noted that Bale is contracted for a third film. As for Nolan and Bale; I can't imagine that either of them, particularly Nolan, would walk away if their financial demands are met.
Regarding my intentions, yes, it is my life mission to concince you that Spider-Man is vastly superior to Batman (and to taunt you until you're convinced), ) but I do love Batman. TDK could never change that.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
However, I must get this off my chest, Bale's costume voice was ridiculous. Was Bats recovering from a three day bender?
Hear hear. Not only could I not understand much of what Batman said, but it defies logic. He's wearing a mask and is beating up guys; would they suddenly realise that it was Bruce Wayne kicking their a**, assuming they knew Wayne's voice well enough? It very much annoyed me. That and the dreadful editing style which prevented me from seeing much of the fighting itself.
BTW, WG, as much as I wish Scorsese ahd directed Heat (he's almost certainly my favourite director with Eastwood, Coppola, Hitchcock and Leone challenging him), it was actually the great Michael Mann who directed it.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
It probably won't happen but there is a possibility, albeit a slight one, that Australia's Sam Worthington (who'll recently star in Terminator Salvation; one of my big films for 2009) could replace Bale in the third Batman film:
Sam Worthington tipped to replace Christian Bale as Batman
March 09, 2009 12:00am
SAM Worthington, the Aussie actor about to shoot into the stratosphere with his performance in Terminator Salvation, is being tipped as the next Batman.
Sam Worthington's fame is set to explode in the US with the May release of Terminator Salvation, and again in December when James Cameron's Avatar is released in cinemas.
Cameron, also the creator of Terminator, says he is the breakout star of both films.
Industry gossip now suggests the rising Australian star could score the part of Batman in the third instalment of the successful prequel franchise.
That could mean replacing Bale, his Terminator co-star and The Dark Knight lead, whose profile was damaged after his infamous "me, me, me" meltdown on the Terminator set, which recently hit the internet.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
) Good pickup HB. I had completely overlooked that description.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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I don't know how I feel about this one yet; Fox is hot but Catwoman material? Is her acting on level with her attractiveness? I don't know...just a rumor for now...
Here's the article via IMDB:
Fox Set To Sink Claws Into Catwoman Role
4 hours ago
Megan Fox has become the latest star tipped to take on the role of Catwoman in a forthcoming Batman movie.
The sexy star is rumoured to be in the running for the part, if The Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan decides to resurrect the legendary comic book character, last portrayed on film by Halle Berry in 2004's Catwoman.
Actress Michelle Pfeiffer also suited up to play the villainous femme fatale in the 1992 blockbuster Batman Returns.
According to British tabloid The Sun, 23-year-old Fox will step into the famous Pvc catsuit to join Christian Bale and Michael Caine when filming begins next year.
The as-yet-untitled project is expected in cinemas in 2011. »
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
I hate the idea of Catwoman as a villian. I still can't get the Halle Berry film out of my head and now I have to worry about another Catwoman interpetation by an actress with a good body. I still think a fresh villian audences are not that familiar with, like Mad Hatter, would be best. Although the idea of Philip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin is interesting
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I hate the idea of Catwoman as a villian. I still can't get the Halle Berry film out of my head and now I have to worry about another Catwoman interpetation by an actress with a good body. I still think a fresh villian audences are not that familiar with, like Mad Hatter, would be best. Although the idea of Philip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin is interesting
Mad Hatter would be a great choice, Barry. The actress in question notwithstanding, I'm afraid that if WB cast Catwoman in the 3rd installment of Nolan's apparent trilogy, it might be too soon after the 2004 one. That movie left a bad tastes in alot of viewers' mouths. My problem is that they are recycling the same bad guys over and over. Besides The Joker returning, it may get boring.
If Warner wants to cast a female this time as the foil, I say let it be Talia who is Ra's daughter and bring the arc full circle somewhat. She runs circles around Catwoman IMO plus, as I've said before, she is more Bruce Wayne's Kryptonite than Selina Kyle.
It's all way too early and nothing has been confirmed but I'm going to hold out for Black Mask or The Terrible Trio to make their movie debuts. They're certainly more up Nolan's alley with his "grounded" approach and all...
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Megan Fox as Catwoman would certainly be a draw...and not a drawback, regardless of the Halle Berry film. Nolan's Batman films have always lacked any interesting female lead IMO. That, coupled with the fact that I feel villians like the Mad Hatter and The Riddler are a bit too similar to The Joker, would make Catwoman the next logical direction.
BTW: My wife actually enjoyed the Catwoman movie, but then again, in her eyes Halle Berry can do no wrong.
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I don't know how I feel about this one yet; Fox is hot but Catwoman material? Is her acting on level with her attractiveness? I don't know...just a rumor for now...
Here's the article via IMDB:
Fox Set To Sink Claws Into Catwoman Role
4 hours ago
Megan Fox has become the latest star tipped to take on the role of Catwoman in a forthcoming Batman movie.
The sexy star is rumoured to be in the running for the part, if The Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan decides to resurrect the legendary comic book character, last portrayed on film by Halle Berry in 2004's Catwoman.
Actress Michelle Pfeiffer also suited up to play the villainous femme fatale in the 1992 blockbuster Batman Returns.
According to British tabloid The Sun, 23-year-old Fox will step into the famous Pvc catsuit to join Christian Bale and Michael Caine when filming begins next year.
The as-yet-untitled project is expected in cinemas in 2011. »
I'm not to worried.
Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
Megan Fox is a terribly uninteresting choice for Catwoman. Looks like this rebooted series is doomed to not have one credible female actress. Also I don't think she is going to be villianess, she is most likely going to play the role she is the comics, a woman who does whatever she wants. For years now she has been in the gray area. Also I wouldn't mind seeing Riddler in a future Bat film but I hope he doesn't water Nolan down like he did with Ras and Scarecrow.
As for THE DARK KNIGHT my liking of this film has dipped considerably. I used to think it was this great cinematic achievement but everytime I watch it the flaws get painfully obvious. Absolutely everyone in this film has a hammy, pretentious speech to make to further hammer in the theme that occurs. This film just never speaks for itself. Also worst of all Bruce Wayne/Batman has zero character development. Yes he faces greater challenges then BEGINS but he still very one-dimensonal.
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A co-worker of mine from England read this and sort of said the same thing. )
Must be a rag newspaper from his reaction.
EDIT: After researching it further online, it appears to be another stunt by this particular paper similar to the Eddie Murphy/Riddler news that was reported sometime back. The Sun must be notorious for this kind of journalism... ?:)
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
It's just a rumor and I honestly wouldn't put much stock in it at this point. Nolan is still hard at work on that sci-fi flick (who's name escapes me right now) and I seriously doubt casting is on the table as they don't even have a script yet.
Fox has also already filmed one comic book adaptation - Jonah Hex - and I doubt she'd be keen to remain in that genre, unless of course her career takes a tumble, in which case there would be no reason to hire her anyway.
Nolan has always preferred solid but relatively unknown actors for his movies. Heath Ledger was hardly a household name before Dark Knight and his previous female leads were Katie Holmes and Maggie Gyllenhaal, hardly darlings of the tabloid set. If he does use Catwoman, I tend to think he would follow his established MO of getting someone who is a solid actress but not a household name to play her.
For now I'll add this to the rumors of Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin.
Whatever happened to the rumour that Angelina Jolie was going to play Catwoman? :v
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
No, I love Angelina Jolie. If the third Batman film is going to have Catwoman (and I'm not saying it should), I think she should be played by Angelina.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Well, ideally they wouldn't go with Catwoman at all. I would love a villain who is little known but still brilliant; villains like Catwoman, The Riddler and The Penguin have already been depicted in films. The Joker has as well, however he couldn't be ignored by Nolan. That said, Phillip Seymour Hoffman would make a great Penguin and Johnny Depp would make a superb Riddler. But I stil think they should opt for a villain that is regarded as 'criminally overlooked.'
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Well, ideally they wouldn't go with Catwoman at all. I would love a villain who is little known but still brilliant; villains like Catwoman, The Riddler and The Penguin have already been depicted in films.
First of all, Catwoman is NOT a villian, she is in the gray. For over the past decade she has become very much important part in Bruce's life, right up there with Alfred and Nightwing. She is sort of the "jezbel" of the Batman series, not entirely evil but a line Bruce can't cross. For her to be ignored would be a crime, especially since Rachel Dawes has been nothing more but "generic love interest". Secound, Jim Carrey's trademark flailing was not the Riddler, he was a comic foil with cartoon origins. In the comics The Riddler's crimes are a complusion. He has to leave clues in riddles because he can't himself, it's like an addiction. I could definetly see Nolan using that to his advantage. The Penguin in Batman Returns was Burton's creation. I enjoyed it immensely but that wasn't Penguin. He could fit into this new universe as a colorful crime boss just like the comics has done. Lastly as for actually casting Joker and Penguin, I still say surprise me. Depp really dosen't need the role and neither dose Hoffman, give it to some unknown.
One more thing, Joker simply had to be re-imagined. Jack Nicholson was fun but he did not act in that film when he put on the face paint, he was actually alot more interesting as Jack Napier.
Catwoman may not be a villain, but unless Nolan picks another character to be the villain, then she will end up as the villain. Nolan isn't a huge fan of the comics (or at least he doesn't appear to be), so he might be less concerned with Catwoman's status in the past decade than many fans. As someone who has never read the comics, but loves the character (although he's not one of my two favourite super heroes), I wouldn't be concerned if she was ignored. As for Carrey, regardless of how faithful he was, I thought he was fantastic. But nonetheless, I stand by my original comment that I would prefer they focus on a lesser known villain (or antagonist), rather than one who was in the previous films.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
One more thing, Joker simply had to be re-imagined. Jack Nicholson was fun but he did not act in that film when he put on the face paint, he was actually alot more interesting as Jack Napier.
I don't agree. Although I have problems with the first film, I loved Nicholson's performance a the Joker; I thought he stole the show. Regardless, there was no way that Nolan was going to ignore The Joker, irrespective of how good Nicholson was.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Nolan isn't a huge fan of the comics (or at least he doesn't appear to be)
He drew heavily from BATMAN: THE LONG HOLLOWEEN, one of the best Batman graphic novels ever made. So I would be shocked if Nolan was to turn Catwoman into a straight up villian, she was exactly the way I described in that story.
As for Carrey, regardless of how faithful he was, I thought he was fantastic.
It's not really really a question of being faithful. He was just acting terribly like he usually dose. It's funny when you are eight years old but now. *yawn*
But nonetheless, I stand by my original comment that I would prefer they focus on a lesser known villain (or antagonist), rather than one who was in the previous films.
Yeah I am certaintly not against turning to lesser knowns. I guess he could give The Ventriloquist and Scarface a shot.
Nolan isn't a huge fan of the comics (or at least he doesn't appear to be)
He drew heavily from BATMAN: THE LONG HOLLOWEEN, one of the best Batman graphic novels ever made. So I would be shocked if Nolan was to turn Catwoman into a straight up villian, she was exactly the way I described in that story.
Tony often talks about little Nolan cares for the character, and I take his word for it.
As for Carrey, regardless of how faithful he was, I thought he was fantastic.
It's not really really a question of being faithful. He was just acting terribly like he usually dose. It's funny when you are eight years old but now. *yawn*
No comment.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Well yeah because he was in more then half the movie. )
No, because it appeared to me that he was having a heck of a time. I thought he was wonderful.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Tony often talks about little Nolan cares for the character, and I take his word for it.
And ?
Anyway I know Nolan was not concerned with being faithful to the comics but he never strayed far from it. I have read several Batman comics and graphic novels multiple times so yeah, I don't agree with Tony. 8-)
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I'm not saying it's wrong, but the honest truth is that I simply don't see what the 'big deal' is in films like these that compels others to watch them over and over.
I'm sorry to say I haven't seen this film yet. Except for a few random scenes when they played it at work.
However, I must get this off my chest, Bale's costume voice was ridiculous. Was Bats recovering from a three day bender?
It shouldn't be all that surprising. WB would almost certainly, salary demands notwithstanding, want Bale and Nolan to return. One source has noted that Bale is contracted for a third film. As for Nolan and Bale; I can't imagine that either of them, particularly Nolan, would walk away if their financial demands are met.
Regarding my intentions, yes, it is my life mission to concince you that Spider-Man is vastly superior to Batman (and to taunt you until you're convinced),
BTW, WG, as much as I wish Scorsese ahd directed Heat (he's almost certainly my favourite director with Eastwood, Coppola, Hitchcock and Leone challenging him), it was actually the great Michael Mann who directed it.
The rest of the movie was only average though, in my opinion.
Wich is a pity, because I am a huge fan of Gary Oldman and usually adore everything he does.
Sam Worthington tipped to replace Christian Bale as Batman
March 09, 2009 12:00am
SAM Worthington, the Aussie actor about to shoot into the stratosphere with his performance in Terminator Salvation, is being tipped as the next Batman.
Sam Worthington's fame is set to explode in the US with the May release of Terminator Salvation, and again in December when James Cameron's Avatar is released in cinemas.
Cameron, also the creator of Terminator, says he is the breakout star of both films.
Industry gossip now suggests the rising Australian star could score the part of Batman in the third instalment of the successful prequel franchise.
That could mean replacing Bale, his Terminator co-star and The Dark Knight lead, whose profile was damaged after his infamous "me, me, me" meltdown on the Terminator set, which recently hit the internet.
Here's the article via IMDB:
Fox Set To Sink Claws Into Catwoman Role
4 hours ago
Megan Fox has become the latest star tipped to take on the role of Catwoman in a forthcoming Batman movie.
The sexy star is rumoured to be in the running for the part, if The Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan decides to resurrect the legendary comic book character, last portrayed on film by Halle Berry in 2004's Catwoman.
Actress Michelle Pfeiffer also suited up to play the villainous femme fatale in the 1992 blockbuster Batman Returns.
According to British tabloid The Sun, 23-year-old Fox will step into the famous Pvc catsuit to join Christian Bale and Michael Caine when filming begins next year.
The as-yet-untitled project is expected in cinemas in 2011. »
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
If Warner wants to cast a female this time as the foil, I say let it be Talia who is Ra's daughter and bring the arc full circle somewhat. She runs circles around Catwoman IMO plus, as I've said before, she is more Bruce Wayne's Kryptonite than Selina Kyle.
It's all way too early and nothing has been confirmed but I'm going to hold out for Black Mask or The Terrible Trio to make their movie debuts. They're certainly more up Nolan's alley with his "grounded" approach and all...
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
BTW: My wife actually enjoyed the Catwoman movie, but then again, in her eyes Halle Berry can do no wrong.
I'm not to worried.
As for THE DARK KNIGHT my liking of this film has dipped considerably. I used to think it was this great cinematic achievement but everytime I watch it the flaws get painfully obvious. Absolutely everyone in this film has a hammy, pretentious speech to make to further hammer in the theme that occurs. This film just never speaks for itself. Also worst of all Bruce Wayne/Batman has zero character development. Yes he faces greater challenges then BEGINS but he still very one-dimensonal.
Must be a rag newspaper from his reaction.
EDIT: After researching it further online, it appears to be another stunt by this particular paper similar to the Eddie Murphy/Riddler news that was reported sometime back. The Sun must be notorious for this kind of journalism... ?:)
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Fox has also already filmed one comic book adaptation - Jonah Hex - and I doubt she'd be keen to remain in that genre, unless of course her career takes a tumble, in which case there would be no reason to hire her anyway.
Nolan has always preferred solid but relatively unknown actors for his movies. Heath Ledger was hardly a household name before Dark Knight and his previous female leads were Katie Holmes and Maggie Gyllenhaal, hardly darlings of the tabloid set. If he does use Catwoman, I tend to think he would follow his established MO of getting someone who is a solid actress but not a household name to play her.
For now I'll add this to the rumors of Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin.
Let's hope that rumour died a slow and painful death.
Also I just can't stand Angelia Jolie.
First of all, Catwoman is NOT a villian, she is in the gray. For over the past decade she has become very much important part in Bruce's life, right up there with Alfred and Nightwing. She is sort of the "jezbel" of the Batman series, not entirely evil but a line Bruce can't cross. For her to be ignored would be a crime, especially since Rachel Dawes has been nothing more but "generic love interest". Secound, Jim Carrey's trademark flailing was not the Riddler, he was a comic foil with cartoon origins. In the comics The Riddler's crimes are a complusion. He has to leave clues in riddles because he can't himself, it's like an addiction. I could definetly see Nolan using that to his advantage. The Penguin in Batman Returns was Burton's creation. I enjoyed it immensely but that wasn't Penguin. He could fit into this new universe as a colorful crime boss just like the comics has done. Lastly as for actually casting Joker and Penguin, I still say surprise me. Depp really dosen't need the role and neither dose Hoffman, give it to some unknown.
One more thing, Joker simply had to be re-imagined. Jack Nicholson was fun but he did not act in that film when he put on the face paint, he was actually alot more interesting as Jack Napier.
He drew heavily from BATMAN: THE LONG HOLLOWEEN, one of the best Batman graphic novels ever made. So I would be shocked if Nolan was to turn Catwoman into a straight up villian, she was exactly the way I described in that story.
It's not really really a question of being faithful. He was just acting terribly like he usually dose. It's funny when you are eight years old but now. *yawn*
Yeah I am certaintly not against turning to lesser knowns. I guess he could give The Ventriloquist and Scarface a shot.
Well yeah because he was in more then half the movie.
I never said he would. Joker is Batman's ultimate enemy.
No comment.
Yes that's the problem I had. He was just having a good time, that's it.
And ?
Anyway I know Nolan was not concerned with being faithful to the comics but he never strayed far from it. I have read several Batman comics and graphic novels multiple times so yeah, I don't agree with Tony. 8-)