If you were a Double-0

JADE66 · May 2007

I don't know if this topic has been covered before so forgive me if I'm covering old ground.
The literary and film versions of 007 have been armed with a variety of weapons, the Colt .38 detective special, Beretta .25, Walther PPK and P99. If you were a Double-0 what would your sidearm be?
My personal choice, the Glock 27 in .40caliber Smith and Wesson, concealable, accurate and the safe action system makes it quick to bring on target and fire. Also the .40 caliber gives it a punch that the 9mm lacks. Anyone else?

7289 · May 2007

If I were oo7, I would carry the Seecamp LWS .32-
it's very small, well made and suited for the up close and personal nastiness oo7 is famous for.

For something larger, the P-35 or 1911.

Apocrypha23 · May 2007

For personal defense, based on what I've actually used, Sig P228. I like the Walther and the way it operates, but I've never fired one. I like GLOCKs too, but the Sig feels better to me, shoots straighter, and I'm old-school about my SA/DA trigger. Also, Jack Bauer used one on Season 1 of 24 so that automatically makes it cool;)

WaltherManiac · May 2007

I would go with the HK USP Compact. It is light weight, comes in many different ammo types, silencable, and deadly accurate (I have shot one). I have used other compact models, such as the Walther P22 (.22 caliber would be suicidal for a Double O agent) and the baby Glock (although smaller, is uncomfortable to hold). As far as the Sig series, the USP is just more comfortable to hold, more concealable, and some of the ammo types for the USP are much more powerful.

Apocrypha23 · May 2007

WaltherManiac wrote:

...and some of the ammo types for the USP are much more powerful.

Not meaning to start a "mine's better than your's" discussion, because things like the "feel" of a pistol are subjective and I'd never fault anyone for what feels better and shoots better for them. And I'd agree the HK is quite accurate and rugged as hell, but I don't understand the bit about the ammo. What ammo does the HK Compact cycle that can't be had in a comperable sized Sig 228/229/245?
Now the new Sig 250DC could be the one to beat them all
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg55-e.htm
but I have yet to even see one in the US yet.

7289 · May 2007

Seems to me that Bond as a covert agent would want smaller more concealable weapons. All these HK and Sig models are pretty big. They are OK for a police detective or off-duty officer, but for Bond they just seem off target.

The P99 works great for a movie Bond, but the prop man can always hold it so it doesn't spoil the line of oo7's suit. Even D.C. keeps his P99 in a big manila envelope, not a very durable holster.

Again...submitting for your consideration the LWS .32

WaltherManiac · May 2007

The USP Compact has many versions: The 9mm, the .40 S&W, the .45 ACP, and the big bertha of them... the .357 SIG. And I was only comparing the USP to the P228.

WaltherManiac · May 2007

Oh, 7289 I was talking about the USP COMPACT not the normal bulky USP.

7289 · May 2007

The compacts are smaller, still though thicker than a PPK and I feel more suitable for use as a "car gun", but not something for "covert" use.

I have seen photos of the little Walther TPH with a silencer that seemed like it would work well for deep cover. I understand that for years Mossad agents carried Beretta .22's -specifically the larger Model 70 or 1934.

KGB with love · May 2007

If i were 00 i would carry magnum Dirty Harry caried. It's loud, it's powerful. Do you feel lucky, well do ya PUNK!!!!:)):)):)):)) Hillarius

Asp9mm · May 2007

Smith and Wesson 3913, Heckler & Kock P7 M8, or the Walther P99c AS / H&K P2000.

scottmu65 · May 2007

Personally I would carry the Walther P99 or PPK, no doubt about it.

I just can't choose which! HELP ME!! ?:)

7289 · May 2007

Between those two, opt for tradition and go with the PPK.

Apocrypha23 · May 2007

Given that a 00s field of operations is typically the EU where ammunition availability is somewhat limited to 9mm vanilla, that might be something to consider in firearm selection. I don't know how accessable something like .357 Sig would be. But all MI6 Field Offices would have 9mm.

RobertSMiller · May 2007

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg18-e.htm
A little bigger perhaps, but I love the FN Five-Seve N Tactical, can't say I have the pleasure of owning one however; but 20 rounds of 5.7x28mm, which is a fair shot against alot of armour out there, is hard to beat. Naturally, I'm also a great big fan of the PPK, so I'd have a hard time picking.

7289 · May 2007

The FiveseveN is a rather interesting choice. A very "cutting edge" weapon, made to defeat body armor and such. While it's no compact model I think it has the right qualities for a "oo" to carry.

I think FN also makes a short carbine chambered for the same round ....that would also be worthy of consideration.

Asp9mm · May 2007

The Kimber RCP II is an intriguing pistol. Many ASP-like features with bobbed hammer, trough site, compact size with rounded snag free features, could be a very good choice.

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Andy A 007 · May 2007

I know absolutely nothing about guns, so bare in mind that I'm only speculating and have no idea what I'm talking about.

If I were a Double-0, I don't think I'd be able to carry only one weapon. If I were in a situation where I'd need to have my weapon easily concealed, I'd probably carry the PPK. When easy concealment wouldn't be necessary and a more powerful weapon was needed, I'd probably go with the Beretta 92FS.

In addition, can anyone tell me if a Sig P229 would be a good choice? I ask this because I have an airsoft model and think that if I were to use the real thing it would feel better to me. again just speculation.

7289 · May 2007

I knew there was something familiar about the Kimber, and I think it is the resemblence to the ASP. As far as I have been able to discern the small sights on the Kimber are considered to be a handicap - although given its role - they should work just fine for the under 40 set.

The 229 is a fine pistol, I believe it was used by Bad Guy Carver in "Tomarrow Never Dies".

Andy A 007 · May 2007

Thanks 7289.

Apocrypha23 · May 2007

Andy A 007 wrote:

... can anyone tell me if a Sig P229 would be a good choice? I ask this because I have an airsoft model and think that if I were to use the real thing it would feel better to me. again just speculation.

I think it would be an excellent choice; very reliable and very accurate. Again, I'd go with the 9mm model based on avalability of ammunition. The only airsoft model I've ever seen of it has a longer-than-life slide though. I don't know if that's the model you have, but they are the same size as a P228, the airsoft one advertized was the size of a P226.

Asp9mm · May 2007

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Nightshooter · May 2007

That looks beautiful with a suppressor.

Asp9mm · May 2007

Nightshooter wrote:

That looks beautiful with a suppressor.

Cheers NS. Security Arms have also linked it to their site...

http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/3200/3294.htm

7289 · May 2007

A very interesting redux of the original ASP. Looks a bit rushed though .... slide is over polished and would look better bead blasted, should have the hooked guard (I know optional) and the grips would be better pure lexan like the originals.

Overall nice, but what's wrong with the 3913? Keep your original ASP!

RobertSMiller · May 2007

7289 wrote:

The FiveseveN is a rather interesting choice. A very "cutting edge" weapon, made to defeat body armor and such. While it's no compact model I think it has the right qualities for a "oo" to carry.

I think FN also makes a short carbine chambered for the same round ....that would also be worthy of consideration.

Thats right, the P90 sub as well as the full sized F2000, making it a very versatile round indeed.

Nightshooter · May 2007

7289 wrote:

A very interesting redux of the original ASP. Looks a bit rushed though .... slide is over polished and would look better bead blasted, should have the hooked guard (I know optional) and the grips would be better pure lexan like the originals.

Overall nice, but what's wrong with the 3913? Keep your original ASP!

I like the slide. I actually prefer the look of the ASP 2000 to the original ASP, by a longshot.

7289 · May 2007

Please forgive the photo quality, this is my first picture post! A Walther PPK and the previously mentioned Seecamp.

Asp9mm · May 2007

7289 wrote:

A very interesting redux of the original ASP. Looks a bit rushed though .... slide is over polished and would look better bead blasted, should have the hooked guard (I know optional) and the grips would be better pure lexan like the originals.

I take your point about the triggerguard, I like the original, and it suits my style of shooting. Unfortunately though, we are in the minority with this thinking, and many people hate the hooked triggerguard, and say it reduces concealability. I don't see this myself, but there you go.

Overall nice, but what's wrong with the 3913? Keep your original ASP!

That one pictured is just a prototype and about the fifth version made, I kept it for sentimentality and it has been shot and abused almost to the point of death (I think it is on it's third Guttersnipe sight). The fourty eight or so produced were sand blasted or NP3'd, along with other finishes. Unfortunately the lexan would not work with the figuration of the wrap around grip.

Nothing wrong with the 3913, it is one of the best out of the box semi auto's you can buy without any mods. This one was just developed to shave milliseconds off valuable acquisition time, and to increase the realiability when using different loads. Ideally creating a quick, snag free draw, from a slim ultra concealable, reliable pistol.

The original Asps were far too expensive to buy in great quantities, and far too valuable to use. The 3913 was relatively inexpensive to modify, and needed no extra parts apart from a couple of springs and the Guttersnipe. Whether they have a place in the modern world as a combat arm is speculative. But they do look cool.

7289 · May 2007

Couldn't tell from the photos that yours was a well-used gun. If it's been shot alot then the ASP changes were well done. I just have an aversion to the "melted" look that was popular a few years ago. On second look it may be the "flash" in the picture that makes it look "overpolished"

The original ASP that I handled a long while back was a very nice pistol, shortened and beveled without being "melted". I think these pistols look better with a darker finish, and without it they appear more like the "Devel" effort.

I was most surprised to see the "guttersnipe" sight. Was that an original sight or new manufacture? I would suspect the sight is the hardest part of the old ASP to acquire. What wears them out? A version of that sight might be just the ticket for a Seecamp!

Asp9mm · May 2007

I agree, the original Asp with the black teflon finish, added together with the white contrasting grips was a very distinctive and mean looking pistol.

The Guttersnipes on mine were original, and I believe that I bought the very last unopened box from the manufacturer, which was back in 94. Most of the other 2000's have custom aluminium remakes fitted, although some are fitted with low profile Trijicons, which are excellent. I have gone through so many Guttersnipes due to the number of times this has been shot in competition and bashed on door frames, walls etc. The one on it now is not original, but the alum version. It has also been pretty much tested to the point when it should have fallen apart (great testament to the 3913). Plus the slide has been hand finished by me to get rid of scratches in the surface due to the abuse it's had.

I did also try the conversion on the HK P7M8 before the S&W, that looked really superb and it had white lexan grips, but the steel was so hard and the P7 was as good as it could be anyway. Plus its a dirty little gun that needs more TLC than you should give a combat arm. Heavy too.

If you were a Double-0

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