Bond Girl Elimination Game

JennyFlexFanJennyFlexFan Posts: 1,497MI6 Agent
in The James Bond Films
Finally, I get to host my own elimination game!

Per the request of some users, it's been no secret that the rules don't appeal to everyone. So... for Bond girls would we rather do this method:

Jenny Flex 11 (+)
Pan Ho 9 (-)

OR

Saved:
Jenny Flex

Still Left:
Pan Ho
Mayday

Also, some people (ie. EVERYONE, sometimes cheats their votes by going by their timezone), users have petitioned to just use the default time on the site for all votes.

What other rules would you like to see implemented? Before I start this game, I would love to hear input, please.

Thanks!

~JFF
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Comments

  • LazenbyLazenby The upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
    I prefer the +/- method because it yields a more accurate representation of the collective opinions of the board. Sure, sometimes people's votes get canceled out, and it takes a little more time and effort to get results, however 1) the method does ultimately work 2) we live in a world where no 2 snowflakes are alike and very few Bond fans have identical opinions-- sometimes your vote is going to get over-ruled (especially if it's a fringe opinion)-- deal with it, 3) people voting early have minimal advantage over those voting later in the day and 4) the rules are much more straight forward-- there was no ambiguity or "shady business" at all during the first game we played by this method.
  • GeorgiboyGeorgiboy Posts: 632MI6 Agent
    edited September 2007
    Lazenby wrote:
    I prefer the +/- method because it yields a more accurate representation of the collective opinions of the board. Sure, sometimes people's votes get canceled out, and it takes a little more time and effort to get results, however 1) the method does ultimately work 2) we live in a world where no 2 snowflakes are alike and very few Bond fans have identical opinions-- sometimes your vote is going to get over-ruled (especially if it's a fringe opinion)-- deal with it, 3) people voting early have minimal advantage over those voting later in the day and 4) the rules are much more straight forward-- there was no ambiguity or "shady business" at all during the first game we played by this method.

    I agree.{[]
  • actonsteveactonsteve Posts: 299MI6 Agent
    I prefer the saved method as it is so simple.

    You do realise there are going to be an awful lot of Bond girls the first round. This could take months.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited September 2007
    I must confess, I've lost touch with the whole 'elimination game' thing...

    The one about Bond films was fine (with the basic + vs - rankings), but I never understood (and therefore, never got into) the Bond villain one, where some were 'saved' and others weren't ?:)

    Since I'm apparently too thick for the 'saved' vs 'not saved' thing (congrats actonsteve! {[] ), put my vote in for the more basic + vs - method...
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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    edited September 2007
    I prefer the saved and still left method as it is quicker, however I honestly don't mind which way we do it and will still play the game whatever the rules may be
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited September 2007
    actonsteve wrote:
    I prefer the saved method as it is so simple.

    You do realise there are going to be an awful lot of Bond girls the first round. This could take months.
    I agree. I dislike the +/- method as it takes forever. However I think that anybody should be allowed to start a new round and that people should go ONLY by the site clock. There shouldn't be any 'it's morning here..'
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    Agree 100% Dan
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited September 2007
    Jarvio wrote:
    Agree 100% Dan
    Thanks. -{

    I have one more request: could we limit the number of Bond girls to a reasonable number? For example if we had 30 Bond girls, we could have one from each film and 9 special ones. I think that having 40 (or more) Bond girls would be too excessive and would cause the game to go on for far too long.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • JennyFlexFanJennyFlexFan Posts: 1,497MI6 Agent
    How tough! All these conflicting things! :(

    I agree with Dan's idea about the number of Bond girls. I'll put together the master list after I write this post.

    I'll ask you all, as opinion, did you have more fun during the Bond Film Elimination Game or the Bond Villain Elimination Game?

    I enjoyed both, albeit in different ways. Sometimes Bond Film got a little tedious but I liked the asides we had in there, however, there weren't as many asides in Bond Villain.

    I wish we had the poll feature here... so does the majority like how BF was structured or how BV was structured?
  • Honey RiderHoney Rider Posts: 211MI6 Agent
    I've just had a look at both games, and I think that both methods are good. I think it comes down to how much time people are willing to spend on this as the save method appears to be much quicker. My vote would probably be for that however both methods look great. :D
  • LazenbyLazenby The upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
    I think the cost of the game taking longer is that you wind up at the end with a much more well rounded list. The films (or whatever) had to really earn their respective positions and for that it was (to me) a lot more satisfying (if a bit tedious at times). I also don't think it really matters (in that game) which clock people go by as it's quite easy to see if people are copping extra votes and (unlike the 'save' games) people voting earlier have no distinct advantage over those voting later.
  • LazenbyLazenby The upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
    Also if you start with a list of 40 girls make sure they only get like 3 points each at the beginning-- otherwise it will really take forever.
  • LazenbyLazenby The upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
    One last thing-- I know there isn't a force in nature that can keep you from including Jenny Flex in the game...fair enough...however as a general rule I would suggest confining it to the women Bond actually slept with (in that regard I hope you include Miss Taro from Dr. No-- I've developed quite a fascination for her recently :D).
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited September 2007
    Lazenby wrote:
    I also don't think it really matters (in that game) which clock people go by as it's quite easy to see if people are copping extra votes and (unlike the 'save' games) people voting earlier have no distinct advantage over those voting later.
    To me this is especially important, regardless of which method is utilised. It really annoys me seeing someone vote only a short period of time after they last voted as, according to them, it was a different day where they live. I think that no matter what method we utilise, it should be made clear that people must go only by the site clock, because to be honest, it makes it less fun (at least for me), plus in both games, voting multiple times does provide an advantage.
    Lazenby wrote:
    One last thing-- I know there isn't a force in nature that can keep you from including Jenny Flex in the game...fair enough...however as a general rule I would suggest confining it to the women Bond actually slept with (in that regard I hope you include Miss Taro from Dr. No-- I've developed quite a fascination for her recently :D).
    The problem with defining the criteria as women that Bond slept with is that we can come up with some pretty irrelevant characters, such as the doctor in TWINE. What I suggest is that if we put the number at 30 (I think that 40 is too many) is that we can have the main one from each film; and then we can have 9 other major ones. Perhaps (and this is up to JFF of course) we can vote on some of the extra girls. No matter what, I think that 30 (or less) would be an appropiate number, for if we do 40, some of the girls would be utterly insignificant characters.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • LazenbyLazenby The upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
    edited September 2007
    Dan Same wrote:
    To me this is especially important, regardless of which method is utilised. It really annoys me seeing someone vote only a short period of time after they last voted as, according to them, it was a different day where they live. I think that no matter what method we utilise, it should be made clear that people must go only by the site clock, because to be honest, it makes it less fun (at least for me), plus in both games, voting multiple times does provide an advantage.

    Going by the site clock doesn't take away someone's ability to vote multiple times. If I save my day's vote until 11:59 (by the site clock) I am entitled to another vote 1 minute later. The thing is that it's easy to see if someone's cheating here as if anyone votes like this then it must be that they're last vote (before the 11:59 one) was at least 24hrs before and their next one must come at least 24 hours after. As someone who spent 2 months invigilating one of these games I can attest that this isn't very difficult to keep track of. In fact, during the whole two months we played that game there were no complaints voiced at all that couldn't be remedied.

    40 women isn't too much (I rather like the idea, actually :007) ) provided you limit them to 3 points each to start. Any more than that I admit would be pushing it-- it's just that this way we get more-or-less 2 women from each film.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Well, if you guys decide to go with the 'saved' vs 'not saved' thing...have fun. I don't get it, so I can't participate :#

    I'm not much good at cards, either ;% :))
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  • JennyFlexFanJennyFlexFan Posts: 1,497MI6 Agent
    I see where you're going with this Laz, though your post kind of confused me, I think I got the gist of it. ;)

    Yeah, I think everyone going by their own clocks is easier. Even though some could view it as "working the system" it's their loss that they voted so early and missed all the action that happened during the day and night.

    Also, perhaps we could start with 35 girls (or 30) and vote on 5 extra girls. People are right, Jenny Flex will be included in the game, but probably as one of the extra girls.

    What I gather from here though, is that people really don't care about whether it's +/- or saved/still left (except Loeff, who has yet to master the extremely complicated saved/still left method ;) ). I shall comprise my master list and the games will begin soon!
  • youknowmynameyouknowmyname Gainesville, FL, USAPosts: 703MI6 Agent
    Great JennyFlexFan, let the games begin!
    "We have all the time in the world..."
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited September 2007
    JennyFlexFan wrote:
    (except Loeff, who has yet to master the extremely complicated saved/still left method ;) ).

    Hardee har har :v Nothing more humbling than having your intelligence questioned by someone who worships AVTAK :s

    Perhaps it was just a lack of interest on my part at the time...but I've gone back and looked over the Bond Villain Elimination thread, and I see what was going on. I'll give it a try {[]

    But I'd vote for going by the site clock---even if it means someone votes at 11:59 pm, and then again at 12:01 am...they won't be able to vote again until 12:00 am the next day, so it all evens out.
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  • James F EJames F E Posts: 140MI6 Agent
    I vote for the "saved" - "eliminated" - Game. I thought it was faster paced than the Bond Film game (+/-) way too long. -{
  • LazenbyLazenby The upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
    If you do decided to use the saving method I suggest making it a rule that people can only vote once per day (and not simply once per round). And yes, if you use the saving method it is best that you stick with the site clock. Also I would suggest making it so that the girls need two votes to make it to the next round right from the beginning.
  • JennyFlexFanJennyFlexFan Posts: 1,497MI6 Agent
    edited September 2007
    THE BOND GIRL ELIMINATION GAME

    And here's your host... JennyFlexFan!

    Good afternoon (well for us midwesterners, like Tee Hee and Loeff) AJB-ers! Today is the official start of the Bond Girl Elimination Game! After much deliberation, I have decided to stick with Jarvio's method with a dash of Lazenby's in there.

    For the first two rounds, girls will need two votes each in order to be carried on to the next round. Of course, the last girl with two votes, is OUT! The rest of the game will proceed normally until we get to the final 7 Bond girls, in which I will institute some new rules.

    A twist in these first two rounds is you can indeed vote twice! You may take away a vote from a girl and you can spread two votes across two girls, however, you cannot give a girl two votes all at once.

    Now onto the master list of our Bond Babes!!! Fiona Volpe will not be included (at first) due to how she they went in the Villain elimination game. The list (so far) is as follows.

    Honey Rider
    Tatiana Romanova
    Pussy Galore
    Dominique Derval
    Kissy Suzuki
    Aki
    Helga Brandt
    Teresa "Tracy" di Vincenzo
    Tiffany Case
    Solitaire
    Mary Goodnight
    Anya Amasova
    Dr. Holly Goodhead
    Melina Havelock
    Octopussy
    Miss Magda
    Domino Petachi
    Fatima Blush
    Stacey Sutton
    Mayday
    Kara Milovy
    Pam Bouvier
    Lupe Lamora
    Natalya Simonova
    Xenia Onatopp
    Wai Lin
    Paris Carver
    Elektra King
    Dr. Christmas Jones
    Miranda Frost
    Jinx Johnson
    Vesper Lynd

    This list consists of 30 people, and it includes the NSNA girls. Extra girls will be voted on later at other points in time.

    We will be voting by the site clock.

    Any questions may be asked of me JennyFlexFan. So... without further ado. Let the games BEGIN! :D
  • JennyFlexFanJennyFlexFan Posts: 1,497MI6 Agent
    Saved:

    Still Left:
    Honey Rider
    Tatiana Romanova
    Pussy Galore
    Dominique Derval
    Kissy Suzuki
    Aki
    Helga Brandt
    Teresa "Tracy" di Vincenzo
    Tiffany Case
    Solitaire
    Mary Goodnight
    Anya Amasova
    Dr. Holly Goodhead
    Melina Havelock
    Octopussy
    Miss Magda
    Domino Petachi
    Fatima Blush
    Stacey Sutton (+1)
    Mayday
    Kara Milovy
    Pam Bouvier
    Lupe Lamora
    Natalya Simonova (+1)
    Xenia Onatopp
    Wai Lin
    Paris Carver
    Elektra King
    Dr. Christmas Jones
    Miranda Frost
    Jinx Johnson
    Vesper Lynd

    Eliminated:
  • s96024s96024 Posts: 1,519MI6 Agent
    edited September 2007
    Thought we were going to end up discussing the rules forever on this game.

    Saved:

    Still Left:
    Honey Rider (+1)
    Tatiana Romanova (+1)
    Pussy Galore
    Dominique Derval
    Kissy Suzuki
    Aki
    Helga Brandt
    Teresa "Tracy" di Vincenzo
    Tiffany Case
    Solitaire
    Mary Goodnight
    Anya Amasova
    Dr. Holly Goodhead
    Melina Havelock
    Octopussy
    Miss Magda
    Domino Petachi
    Fatima Blush
    Stacey Sutton (+1)
    Mayday
    Kara Milovy
    Pam Bouvier
    Lupe Lamora
    Natalya Simonova (+1)
    Xenia Onatopp
    Wai Lin
    Paris Carver
    Elektra King
    Dr. Christmas Jones
    Miranda Frost
    Jinx Johnson
    Vesper Lynd

    Eliminated:
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    I've saved Honey Rider by giving her a vote, which is her 2nd.
    And Solitaire gets a vote.
    Is this right?

    Saved:
    Honey Rider

    Still Left:
    Honey Rider (+2)
    Tatiana Romanova (+1)
    Pussy Galore
    Dominique Derval
    Kissy Suzuki
    Aki
    Helga Brandt
    Teresa "Tracy" di Vincenzo
    Tiffany Case
    Solitaire (+1)
    Mary Goodnight
    Anya Amasova
    Dr. Holly Goodhead
    Melina Havelock
    Octopussy
    Miss Magda
    Domino Petachi
    Fatima Blush
    Stacey Sutton (+1)
    Mayday
    Kara Milovy
    Pam Bouvier
    Lupe Lamora
    Natalya Simonova (+1)
    Xenia Onatopp
    Wai Lin
    Paris Carver
    Elektra King
    Dr. Christmas Jones
    Miranda Frost
    Jinx Johnson
    Vesper Lynd

    Eliminated:
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • LazenbyLazenby The upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
    Forgive me for being a pest but I'm curious as to why, say, Jill Masterson was left out and all 3 women from YOLT made it in? Also, you seemed to suggest that more women will be added later...what's up with that?
  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    Lazenby wrote:
    Also, you seemed to suggest that more women will be added later...what's up with that?

    Well, JFF has conspicuously left out his namesake. I have no doubt Jenny will be introduced when only two girls are left, guaranteeing her no worse than third place. ;)
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • GeorgiboyGeorgiboy Posts: 632MI6 Agent
    Just saved Solitaire.

    Saved:
    Honey Rider
    Solitaire

    Still Left:
    Honey Rider (+2)
    Tatiana Romanova (+1)
    Pussy Galore
    Dominique Derval
    Kissy Suzuki
    Aki
    Helga Brandt
    Teresa "Tracy" di Vincenzo
    Tiffany Case
    Solitaire (+2)
    Mary Goodnight
    Anya Amasova (+1)
    Dr. Holly Goodhead
    Melina Havelock
    Octopussy
    Miss Magda
    Domino Petachi
    Fatima Blush
    Stacey Sutton (+1)
    Mayday
    Kara Milovy
    Pam Bouvier
    Lupe Lamora
    Natalya Simonova (+1)
    Xenia Onatopp
    Wai Lin
    Paris Carver
    Elektra King
    Dr. Christmas Jones
    Miranda Frost
    Jinx Johnson
    Vesper Lynd

    Eliminated:
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Saved:
    Honey Rider
    Solitaire

    Still Left:
    Honey Rider (+2)
    Tatiana Romanova (+1)
    Pussy Galore
    Dominique Derval
    Kissy Suzuki
    Aki
    Helga Brandt
    Teresa "Tracy" di Vincenzo (+1)
    Tiffany Case
    Solitaire (+2)
    Mary Goodnight
    Anya Amasova (+1)
    Dr. Holly Goodhead
    Melina Havelock
    Octopussy
    Miss Magda
    Domino Petachi
    Fatima Blush
    Stacey Sutton (+1)
    Mayday
    Kara Milovy
    Pam Bouvier
    Lupe Lamora
    Natalya Simonova (+1)
    Xenia Onatopp
    Wai Lin
    Paris Carver
    Elektra King
    Dr. Christmas Jones
    Miranda Frost
    Jinx Johnson
    Vesper Lynd

    Eliminated
  • youknowmynameyouknowmyname Gainesville, FL, USAPosts: 703MI6 Agent
    Saved:
    Honey Rider
    Solitaire
    Teresa "Tracy" di Vincenzo

    Still Left:
    Honey Rider (+2)
    Tatiana Romanova (+1)
    Pussy Galore
    Dominique Derval
    Kissy Suzuki
    Aki
    Helga Brandt
    Teresa "Tracy" di Vincenzo (+2)
    Tiffany Case (+1)
    Solitaire (+2)
    Mary Goodnight
    Anya Amasova (+1)
    Dr. Holly Goodhead
    Melina Havelock
    Octopussy
    Miss Magda
    Domino Petachi
    Fatima Blush
    Stacey Sutton (+1)
    Mayday
    Kara Milovy
    Pam Bouvier
    Lupe Lamora
    Natalya Simonova (+1)
    Xenia Onatopp
    Wai Lin
    Paris Carver
    Elektra King
    Dr. Christmas Jones
    Miranda Frost
    Jinx Johnson
    Vesper Lynd

    Eliminated
    "We have all the time in the world..."
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