I am very definitely a Flemingist. While I do enjoy the films, Bond will always be Ian Fleming's creation. All those things which make Bond truly Bond, the clothes, cars, guns, etc. all derive from Fleming. Bond carries a Walther because Fleming gave him a Walther. He drives an Aston Martin because Fleming put him behind the wheel of one in Goldfinger. If Fleming had given Bond a Jaguar, that is what he'd be driving. If he had chosen a Steyr pistol, that's what Bond would carry.
Anyone who really wants to know Bond, understand him, appreciate this truly wonderful character,
would do well to read Fleming's novels. Only there will you find the three inch scar, the blue eye's flecked with grey, the disgust he often feels with the brutality of his job and the cold precision with which he performs it when he's truly at the top of his game.
The films are fun. When a film captures the spirit of Fleming, (FRWL,OHMSS,CR) you have real Bond. When a film lampoons and degrades the character (Monnraker, AVTAK,DAD)you have GETSMART.
I enjoy the films, for the most part. But when I want Bond, James Bond for real, I head for the bookshelf.-{
I am very definitely a Flemingist. While I do enjoy the films, Bond will always be Ian Fleming's creation. All those things which make Bond truly Bond, the clothes, cars, guns, etc. all derive from Fleming. Bond carries a Walther because Fleming gave him a Walther. He drives an Aston Martin because Fleming put him behind the wheel of one in Goldfinger. If Fleming had given Bond a Jaguar, that is what he'd be driving. If he had chosen a Steyr pistol, that's what Bond would carry.
Anyone who really wants to know Bond, understand him, appreciate this truly wonderful character,
would do well to read Fleming's novels. Only there will you find the three inch scar, the blue eye's flecked with grey, the disgust he often feels with the brutality of his job and the cold precision with which he performs it when he's truly at the top of his game.
The films are fun. When a film captures the spirit of Fleming, (FRWL,OHMSS,CR) you have real Bond. When a film lampoons and degrades the character (Monnraker, AVTAK,DAD)you have GETSMART.
I enjoy the films, for the most part. But when I want Bond, James Bond for real, I head for the bookshelf.-{
Extremely well put JADE66, on all accounts. As a fellow Flemingist, you have said everything I wanted to get across on my post!
I am very definitely a Flemingist. While I do enjoy the films, Bond will always be Ian Fleming's creation. All those things which make Bond truly Bond, the clothes, cars, guns, etc. all derive from Fleming. Bond carries a Walther because Fleming gave him a Walther. He drives an Aston Martin because Fleming put him behind the wheel of one in Goldfinger. If Fleming had given Bond a Jaguar, that is what he'd be driving. If he had chosen a Steyr pistol, that's what Bond would carry.
Anyone who really wants to know Bond, understand him, appreciate this truly wonderful character,
would do well to read Fleming's novels. Only there will you find the three inch scar, the blue eye's flecked with grey, the disgust he often feels with the brutality of his job and the cold precision with which he performs it when he's truly at the top of his game.
The films are fun. When a film captures the spirit of Fleming, (FRWL,OHMSS,CR) you have real Bond. When a film lampoons and degrades the character (Monnraker, AVTAK,DAD)you have GETSMART.
I enjoy the films, for the most part. But when I want Bond, James Bond for real, I head for the bookshelf.-{
With the above, I completely concur. Well put and cheers! {[] Oddly enough those are the same films I would put in the categories you put them, I think I even mentioned in my post on the previous page. Here here, for Jade66's comment becoming a party platform!
I think I'm a Flemingist with Centrist tendencies. I like all Bond Films and don't find any of them awful, however I love the darker, more down to earth Bond Films more and especially appreciate the refrences to Fleming in the Bond Films.
Thank you for the kind words Andy A 007 and youknowmyname. It's nice to have some validation. One of the reasons I enjoy this site so much is the free exchange of ideas.
Bond is so much a part of the every day world in which we all live, movies and telvision, books, video games, that even those who are not James Bond fans are influenced by 007. I remember a television ad from the late sixties or early seventies for Ray Ban sunglasses showing a cool Bond-like spy, a beautiful brunette and a shark with a spear in it in obvious reference to Thunderball. When Ford brought out their new Thunderbird in 2003 and Jaguar came out with the XK-8 they made certain that their Bond connection with Die Another Day was clear. References to 007 appear everywhere from comedians' stand up routines to parodies in television shows and more studies, movie books, fan magazines and websites than one can count.
And all of this is due to the genius of one man,
a writer who dreamed up "just a bit of nonsense"
to entertain himself and his warm blooded readers.
Had Fleming lived to see what he had wrought, I have to wonder what he would think of it all. The real validation belongs to Ian Lancaster Fleming. Cheers.
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
The real validation belongs to Ian Lancaster Fleming. Cheers.
I'll drink to that -{
Thanks to all who've weighed in! It's good to know there are a few more Flemingists out there than I'd come to think; we have to stick together, gentlemen!
We've heard from a handful of Centrists...but we seem to be suffering a dearth of Cinematic Bond Traditionalists...hopefully we'll see a bit more parity as time moves on.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Tee Hee and I just stumbled upon this in the #22 thread, and I thought it might bear broader examination.
To my mind, there are two basic groups of Bond thought---sometimes crossing actor, style and film preferences...and, at other times, shaping them: Flemingists and Cinematic Bond Traditionalists.
Flemingist - Those whose Bond frame of reference descends primarily from Fleming's novels. These Bond fans generally prefer the less comedy-driven, less outlandish (or, at least, more understated and/or 'realistic') plot lines...and, of course, Fleming-adapted (or inspired) material. I would include myself in this group.
Cinematic Bond Traditionalist - More guided by the traditions and norms established by the films themselves, as they've unfolded over the past 45 years. Might not have ever read Fleming; if so, considers the books well separate from the films, and feels they should remain so. The CBT will generally prefer the bigger-scale, 'spectacle'-style Bonds, and won't mind a lighter tone. I believe Tee Hee falls into this category.
So which are you, and why?
Neither. I'm simply a Bond fan.
Patsy. )
"We have all the time in the world..."
Tee HeeCBT Headquarters: Chicago, ILPosts: 917MI6 Agent
Thanks to all who've weighed in! It's good to know there are a few more Flemingists out there than I'd come to think; we have to stick together, gentlemen!
We've heard from a handful of Centrists...but we seem to be suffering a dearth of Cinematic Bond Traditionalists...hopefully we'll see a bit more parity as time moves on.
Quite a few of my CBT brethren were so disgusted by the prospect of a reboot with Daniel Craig as Bond that they have left the site. As far as they're concerned, the James Bond they've known and loved is dead. I happen to be one of the few survivors of that CBT genocide that was "The Craig Wars."
It is actually the Cinematic Bond Traditionalists that need to stick together. The Flemingists are clearly out in full force and in control at the present time. The Flemingists even have their own personal execution squad, which as a group, pounces on any and every dissenting CBT.
My guess is that the CBT's will remain in hiding until the end of Craig's tenure, which hopefully isn't too far into the future.
In the meantime, I will remain an active member and spokesman for the CBT's. Although I'll undoubtedly have to seek counseling and therapy in the Bond off-time, I expect to make a full and speedy recovery once the Craig Era comes to a close and the balance is once again restored.
"My acting range? Left eyebrow raised, right eyebrow raised..."
I had to suffer through YOLT through DAD, that was a long time (I started to count the years up but ran out of fingers) with only a very ocassional nod the Flemingist's with OHMSS, TLD and LTK!
I'm sure the quality that was CR'06 cannot be sustained for long. Although from the CBT Bond 22 is shaping up to be another BIG loser!!
Welcome to the thread, my Bond-Centrist friend :v {[]
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Thanks to all who've weighed in! It's good to know there are a few more Flemingists out there than I'd come to think; we have to stick together, gentlemen!
We've heard from a handful of Centrists...but we seem to be suffering a dearth of Cinematic Bond Traditionalists...hopefully we'll see a bit more parity as time moves on.
Quite a few of my CBT brethren were so disgusted by the prospect of a reboot with Daniel Craig as Bond that they have left the site. As far as they're concerned, the James Bond they've known and loved is dead. I happen to be one of the few survivors of that CBT genocide that was "The Craig Wars."
It is actually the Cinematic Bond Traditionalists that need to stick together. The Flemingists are clearly out in full force and in control at the present time. The Flemingists even have their own personal execution squad, which as a group, pounces on any and every dissenting CBT.
My guess is that the CBT's will remain in hiding until the end of Craig's tenure, which hopefully isn't too far into the future.
In the meantime, I will remain an active member and spokesman for the CBT's. Although I'll undoubtedly have to seek counseling and therapy in the Bond off-time, I expect to make a full and speedy recovery once the Craig Era comes to a close and the balance is once again restored.
Amen Tee Hee! We fought in the Craig Wars... on the front lines! And they would throw their literary hoo-hah (tm) at us and spew their love for the trainwreck known as Licence To Kill at us until they finally did us in with the secret weapon of Casino Royale. Now all of the closeted Flemingists have decided to come out from hiding and flatten the cinematic Bond we know and love!
Well... it's time we started fighting back! In the name of Roger Moore, Cinematic Bond Traditionalists, we must UNITE!!!!!
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
Quite a few of my CBT brethren were so disgusted by the prospect of a reboot with Daniel Craig as Bond that they have left the site. As far as they're concerned, the James Bond they've known and loved is dead. I happen to be one of the few survivors of that CBT genocide that was "The Craig Wars."[
A right shame that many do seem to have gone away. That is not a good thing. An artistic use of hyperbole, BTW )
It is actually the Cinematic Bond Traditionalists that need to stick together. The Flemingists are clearly out in full force and in control at the present time. The Flemingists even have their own personal execution squad, which as a group, pounces on any and every dissenting CBT.
Unfortunately, we've had to outsource ;% You know, there simply are some jobs the locals just won't do.
In the meantime, I will remain an active member and spokesman for the CBT's. Although I'll undoubtedly have to seek counseling and therapy in the Bond off-time, I expect to make a full and speedy recovery once the Craig Era comes to a close and the balance is once again restored.
You'll be happy to learn that I've appropriated sufficient funds from petty cash to provide round-the-clock Secret Service protection. The chap in charge is a first-rate fellow by the name of Brutus.
Check out my Amazon author page!Mark Loeffelholz
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
Well... it's time we started fighting back! In the name of Roger Moore, Cinematic Bond Traditionalists, we must UNITE!!!!!
Cheers, my steadfast and earnest young friend {[]
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
superadoRegent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,654MI6 Agent
Hence my term Isolationist in that the two mediums should really be enjoyed separately, but not compared. Flemingist would be driven to see anything outside of Fleming's novels as a pale endeavor to mimic. A Flemingist who enjoys even the most faithful cinematic interpretation of Bond, and find that worthy, would IMO fall into the camp of Centrist and feels that the merging of the two mediums is achievable and that middle ground is possible. An Isolationist would never conceive this as possible.
I guess our definition of Flemingist is quite different. To me it's merely someone who appreciates seeing elements of Fleming's books make the crossover leap. I'm not really talking about 'comparing' anything. A Flemingist (as I define it) doesn't have the sort of fanatical fervour you seem intent upon projecting onto him. I would have thought it was obvious that direct, word-for-word transcription from novel to celluloid has never been seriously on the table---and frankly, I don't know anyone rational who would expect such a thing.
Example: Let's say, for instance, that in Bond #22, or #23, the bad guys capture Bond and decide to teach him a lesson about meddling in their affairs. They tie him to a chair, bind his wrist to the arm of the chair, take his pinky finger...and bend it back until it snaps!
Bond fans will react differently to this, according to their frame of reference. A Traditionalist might well object, because he's come to appreciate a Bond who is unflappable, rarely musses his hair, and this is far too serious stuff.
A Centrist will have his own reactions, based upon whatever combination of factors he chooses (of course), his own tastes in Bond, and whether the scene works in the context and tone of the film...ad infinitum...
A Flemingist will watch it, and go: "Wow! That's cool, that was in the LALD novel!"
And I don't see how that's wrong ?:)
In my opinion, the term Isolationist is unnecessary...but you're more than entitled to start a sect of your own {[]
I'm a Flemingist of the most fundamentalist kind (note use of term to evoke deep seated preconceptions ) and because I liken you sir to a famous governor who cavorts in the proverbial sheep's political affilliation despite the obvious inclination to an opposing ideology, for your attempts to brand a certain actor's contrarian interpretation of the character as fundamentally Fleming, I vote that you be ousted from the Flemingist party effective immediately! I believe that the Centrists have a vacant seat waiting for you. )
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
I'm a Flemingist of the most fundamentalist kind (note use of term to evoke deep seated preconceptions ) and because I liken you sir to a famous governor who cavorts in the proverbial sheep's political affilliation despite the obvious inclination to an opposing ideology, for your attempts to brand a certain actor's contrarian interpretation of the character as fundamentally Fleming, I vote that you be ousted from the Flemingist party effective immediately! I believe that the Centrists have a vacant seat waiting for you. )
No thanks I have a lot of friends there, as I do in the CBT wing, but I'm right where I belong. One of the guidelines of my own personal pursuit of happiness is that I don't allow fundamentalists---of any stripe---to chart my course :v
I actually think that mostFlemingists have an appreciation for what (Formerly) Poor DannyTM has brought to the character---the usual (exhaustively explored) anomalies notwithstanding :007)
I do, however, acknowledge and respect that you represent your end of the spectrum with great style {[] The very fact that you and I can share an affiliation(!) is prima facie evidence of just how big this particular tent is B-)
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
superadoRegent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,654MI6 Agent
I do, however, acknowledge and respect that you represent your end of the spectrum with great style {[] The very fact that you and I can share an affiliation(!) is prima facie evidence of just how big this particular tent is B-)
Why, thank you very much! True, true, all in good fun, cheers to our mutual respect for the man and for this thread {[]
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
Amen Tee Hee! We fought in the Craig Wars... on the front lines! And they would throw their literary hoo-hah (tm) at us and spew their love for the trainwreck known as Licence To Kill at us until they finally did us in with the secret weapon of Casino Royale. Now all of the closeted Flemingists have decided to come out from hiding and flatten the cinematic Bond we know and love!
Well... it's time we started fighting back! In the name of Roger Moore, Cinematic Bond Traditionalists, we must UNITE!!!!!
JFF is right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these #$%&@#$s. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part...
As for me, I guess I fall into the CBT camp with Centrist leanings. I'm equally capable of enjoying lighter fare like DAF and DAD along with more faithful outings such as FRWL and OHMSS. Only when Bond plots extended visits to those darker places as he did in CR (and to a lesser extent LTK) do I start to have trouble with my enjoyment of the movie.
JFF is right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these #$%&@#$s. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part...
Thank you Tony, I'll take that as a compliment. You are right, we don't exactly want to harm our enemies (the dirty Flemingists ) but teach them that the cinematic Bond is just as good, if not better, than their beloved literary counterpart! They truly underestimate him. We'll just have to devise a master plan... and I'm pretty good with master plans.
If anybody can come up with a devious plan worthy of Dr. Evil himself, it's you JFF. But, ahem, I think you missed my subtle quote from a famous American comedy in my previous post. I thought it was quite appropriate given the discussion around here. Perhaps one of our other regulars caught it...
JFF is right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these #$%&@#$s. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part...
Thank you Tony, I'll take that as a compliment. You are right, we don't exactly want to harm our enemies (the dirty Flemingists ) but teach them that the cinematic Bond is just as good, if not better, than their beloved literary counterpart! They truly underestimate him. We'll just have to devise a master plan... and I'm pretty good with master plans.
Seeing as you are a cinematic Bond enthusiast your master plan will probably involve an over the top plot in which the Flemingist will have no problem figuring out your weakness before its too late. haha! )
"We have all the time in the world..."
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If anybody can come up with a devious plan worthy of Dr. Evil himself, it's you JFF. But, ahem, I think you missed my subtle quote from a famous American comedy in my previous post. I thought it was quite appropriate given the discussion around here. Perhaps one of our other regulars caught it...
Animal House is one of the greatest comedies ever committed to celluloid B-)
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LazenbyThe upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
Admittedly (and ashamedly) I've never read the books, however it seems to me that the films I prefer head and shoulders above the others (OHMSS, FRWL, CR) are those that are known to have been faithful to the spirit of the books, so I suppose that would make me something of a Flemingist.
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You really ought to give them a try, Laz. I think you'd really enjoy them...the key is in appreciating them for what they are, and the times in which they were written. It's a dangerous, riveting, and ultimately very entertaining world.
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You really ought to give them a try, Laz. I think you'd really enjoy them...the key is in appreciating them for what they are, and the times in which they were written. It's a dangerous, riveting, and ultimately very entertaining world.
The thing is that I don't generally read fiction (at all) otherwise I would have gotten around to it by now.
Well... it's time we started fighting back! In the name of Roger Moore, Cinematic Bond Traditionalists, we must UNITE!!!!! [/quote]
JFF is right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these #$%&@#$s. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part...[/quote]
You're best revenge would be a mandatory screening of Roger Moore's last outing as oo7......"SPICE WORLD"!
In the name of Roger Moore, Cinematic Bond Traditionalists, we must UNITE!!!!!
The beautiful thing (for us) is that Sean Connery (a la GF, YOLT and to some degree TB) still trumps Moore and Brosnan by a looong shot in the CBT department as well. :007)
TB? I'd find the disease more enjoyable than watching that movie. Also they'd never see through my master plan, it would be like Octopussy, so convoluted that 24 years later people still can't figure all of it out! MUAHAHAHA!!!! :v
And I have TB and GF (the novels) but have not started reading them yet, but I read Moonraker and found it very enjoyable. Thinking this would bridge the gap between me and the Flemingists, they quickly said that MR (the novel) was the most movie-like of them all! Come on! I'm trying to appease the people and they just shoot me down! Maybe I should keep my mouth shut...
Tee Hee and I just stumbled upon this in the #22 thread, and I thought it might bear broader examination.
To my mind, there are two basic groups of Bond thought---sometimes crossing actor, style and film preferences...and, at other times, shaping them: Flemingists and Cinematic Bond Traditionalists.
Flemingist - Those whose Bond frame of reference descends primarily from Fleming's novels. These Bond fans generally prefer the less comedy-driven, less outlandish (or, at least, more understated and/or 'realistic') plot lines...and, of course, Fleming-adapted (or inspired) material. I would include myself in this group.
Cinematic Bond Traditionalist - More guided by the traditions and norms established by the films themselves, as they've unfolded over the past 45 years. Might not have ever read Fleming; if so, considers the books well separate from the films, and feels they should remain so. The CBT will generally prefer the bigger-scale, 'spectacle'-style Bonds, and won't mind a lighter tone. I believe Tee Hee falls into this category.
So which are you, and why?
I am neither. One is not being a good judge of film by thinking a Bond picture must be serious and less comedy-driven to be good or that it is bad if a Bond movie is light and big scale. It does not matter if the Bond film is a dark or serious story about revenge like Licence To Kill or if it is light and centers on a madman who wants to create a city under the sea like in The Spy Who Loved Me. What is important about a film, not just Bond movies, is whether it achieves what it wants to and how it goes about doing it. I don't like to see Moonraker as a bad film just because Bond goes into space. It is better to think it is a weak film since what Bond does in space is not as interesting as what other film characters like Han Solo have done in space; and Moonraker's special effects are no where near as good as Star Wars. Moonraker's space scenes could have been far more interesting and amazing than what they turned out to be.
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Anyone who really wants to know Bond, understand him, appreciate this truly wonderful character,
would do well to read Fleming's novels. Only there will you find the three inch scar, the blue eye's flecked with grey, the disgust he often feels with the brutality of his job and the cold precision with which he performs it when he's truly at the top of his game.
The films are fun. When a film captures the spirit of Fleming, (FRWL,OHMSS,CR) you have real Bond. When a film lampoons and degrades the character (Monnraker, AVTAK,DAD)you have GETSMART.
I enjoy the films, for the most part. But when I want Bond, James Bond for real, I head for the bookshelf.-{
Extremely well put JADE66, on all accounts. As a fellow Flemingist, you have said everything I wanted to get across on my post!
Long live the Fleminginst party!
With the above, I completely concur. Well put and cheers! {[] Oddly enough those are the same films I would put in the categories you put them, I think I even mentioned in my post on the previous page. Here here, for Jade66's comment becoming a party platform!
That doesn't mean a guy can't enjoy all the Bond movies...
Bond is so much a part of the every day world in which we all live, movies and telvision, books, video games, that even those who are not James Bond fans are influenced by 007. I remember a television ad from the late sixties or early seventies for Ray Ban sunglasses showing a cool Bond-like spy, a beautiful brunette and a shark with a spear in it in obvious reference to Thunderball. When Ford brought out their new Thunderbird in 2003 and Jaguar came out with the XK-8 they made certain that their Bond connection with Die Another Day was clear. References to 007 appear everywhere from comedians' stand up routines to parodies in television shows and more studies, movie books, fan magazines and websites than one can count.
And all of this is due to the genius of one man,
a writer who dreamed up "just a bit of nonsense"
to entertain himself and his warm blooded readers.
Had Fleming lived to see what he had wrought, I have to wonder what he would think of it all. The real validation belongs to Ian Lancaster Fleming. Cheers.
I'll drink to that -{
Thanks to all who've weighed in! It's good to know there are a few more Flemingists out there than I'd come to think; we have to stick together, gentlemen!
We've heard from a handful of Centrists...but we seem to be suffering a dearth of Cinematic Bond Traditionalists...hopefully we'll see a bit more parity as time moves on.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Patsy.
Quite a few of my CBT brethren were so disgusted by the prospect of a reboot with Daniel Craig as Bond that they have left the site. As far as they're concerned, the James Bond they've known and loved is dead. I happen to be one of the few survivors of that CBT genocide that was "The Craig Wars."
It is actually the Cinematic Bond Traditionalists that need to stick together. The Flemingists are clearly out in full force and in control at the present time. The Flemingists even have their own personal execution squad, which as a group, pounces on any and every dissenting CBT.
My guess is that the CBT's will remain in hiding until the end of Craig's tenure, which hopefully isn't too far into the future.
In the meantime, I will remain an active member and spokesman for the CBT's. Although I'll undoubtedly have to seek counseling and therapy in the Bond off-time, I expect to make a full and speedy recovery once the Craig Era comes to a close and the balance is once again restored.
-Roger Moore
I feel your pain!
I had to suffer through YOLT through DAD, that was a long time (I started to count the years up but ran out of fingers) with only a very ocassional nod the Flemingist's with OHMSS, TLD and LTK!
I'm sure the quality that was CR'06 cannot be sustained for long. Although from the CBT Bond 22 is shaping up to be another BIG loser!!
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Welcome to the thread, my Bond-Centrist friend :v {[]
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Amen Tee Hee! We fought in the Craig Wars... on the front lines! And they would throw their literary hoo-hah (tm)
Well... it's time we started fighting back! In the name of Roger Moore, Cinematic Bond Traditionalists, we must UNITE!!!!!
A right shame that many do seem to have gone away. That is not a good thing. An artistic use of hyperbole, BTW
Unfortunately, we've had to outsource ;% You know, there simply are some jobs the locals just won't do.
Profiles in Courage {:)
You'll be happy to learn that I've appropriated sufficient funds from petty cash to provide round-the-clock Secret Service protection. The chap in charge is a first-rate fellow by the name of Brutus.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Cheers, my steadfast and earnest young friend {[]
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I'm a Flemingist of the most fundamentalist kind (note use of term to evoke deep seated preconceptions
No thanks
I actually think that most Flemingists have an appreciation for what (Formerly) Poor DannyTM has brought to the character---the usual (exhaustively explored) anomalies notwithstanding :007)
I do, however, acknowledge and respect that you represent your end of the spectrum with great style {[] The very fact that you and I can share an affiliation(!) is prima facie evidence of just how big this particular tent is B-)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Why, thank you very much! True, true, all in good fun, cheers to our mutual respect for the man and for this thread {[]
JFF is right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these #$%&@#$s. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part...
As for me, I guess I fall into the CBT camp with Centrist leanings. I'm equally capable of enjoying lighter fare like DAF and DAD along with more faithful outings such as FRWL and OHMSS. Only when Bond plots extended visits to those darker places as he did in CR (and to a lesser extent LTK) do I start to have trouble with my enjoyment of the movie.
Thank you Tony, I'll take that as a compliment.
Seeing as you are a cinematic Bond enthusiast your master plan will probably involve an over the top plot in which the Flemingist will have no problem figuring out your weakness before its too late. haha!
Animal House is one of the greatest comedies ever committed to celluloid B-)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
The thing is that I don't generally read fiction (at all) otherwise I would have gotten around to it by now.
JFF is right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these #$%&@#$s. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part...[/quote]
You're best revenge would be a mandatory screening of Roger Moore's last outing as oo7......"SPICE WORLD"!
That'll get 'em!!
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
The beautiful thing (for us) is that Sean Connery (a la GF, YOLT and to some degree TB) still trumps Moore and Brosnan by a looong shot in the CBT department as well. :007)
And I have TB and GF (the novels) but have not started reading them yet, but I read Moonraker and found it very enjoyable. Thinking this would bridge the gap between me and the Flemingists, they quickly said that MR (the novel) was the most movie-like of them all! Come on! I'm trying to appease the people and they just shoot me down! Maybe I should keep my mouth shut...
Nah.... where's the fun in that?
I am neither. One is not being a good judge of film by thinking a Bond picture must be serious and less comedy-driven to be good or that it is bad if a Bond movie is light and big scale. It does not matter if the Bond film is a dark or serious story about revenge like Licence To Kill or if it is light and centers on a madman who wants to create a city under the sea like in The Spy Who Loved Me. What is important about a film, not just Bond movies, is whether it achieves what it wants to and how it goes about doing it. I don't like to see Moonraker as a bad film just because Bond goes into space. It is better to think it is a weak film since what Bond does in space is not as interesting as what other film characters like Han Solo have done in space; and Moonraker's special effects are no where near as good as Star Wars. Moonraker's space scenes could have been far more interesting and amazing than what they turned out to be.