So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
I am reminded of CR'06 Bond and Vesper sit opposite each other in the dining car of the train taking them to Montenegro. Vesper looks at Bond's wrist .... "Rolex?" Bond replies "Omega".
Thanks for the praise on my ASP and holster. One of the things I'd like to do is collect all of the guns of James Bond, both literary and cinematic. It's a tall order, but I have a lifetime.
One of the guns I've been thinking about a great deal lately is the From Russia With Love Richard Chopping cover gun. It was Geoffrey Bothroyd's custom creation and I have a couple of his books, so I know the base gun that was used. I've allways thought it was a handsome gun with ramped front sight, adjustable rear sight, nickle plated cylinder, cut-a-way trigger guard, engine turned triggers and cut down barrel. I also have the auction catalog where the original was sold.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
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I'm afraid I don't know that one, do you have any pics?
One of the guns I've been thinking about a great deal lately is the From Russia With Love Richard Chopping cover gun. It was Geoffrey Bothroyd's custom creation and I have a couple of his books, so I know the base gun that was used. DG
Working on that one myself. I have a rear sight set aside, and have a similiar ramp for the barrel. Trick is I have been holding out for a British Marked M&P, and one hasn't crossed my way.
The base revolver would have to be somewhat "used" as I wouldn't want to destory anything truly collectable.
One of the guns I've been thinking about a great deal lately is the From Russia With Love Richard Chopping cover gun. It was Geoffrey Bothroyd's custom creation and I have a couple of his books, so I know the base gun that was used. DG
Working on that one myself. I have a rear sight set aside, and have a similiar ramp for the barrel. Trick is I have been holding out for a British Marked M&P, and one hasn't crossed my way.
The base revolver would have to be somewhat "used" as I wouldn't want to destory anything truly collectable.
I've also have had trouble tracking one down that is the "first change" as the auction catalog states. No problem finding 3rd or 4th change though.
Night,
The revolver appears on the hard cover edition of the original From Russia With Love book. It depicts a modified revolver intertwined with a rose. The artist who painted many of the original covers for the Fleming original hard covers was Richard Chopping. It was the real Geoffrey Boothroyd's gun that was lent to Fleming. Fleming liked the gun so much he wanted it on the cover of what was at that time his latest book (FRWL). Chopping painted in Tromp L'oeil (pronounced Tromp Loy) style.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
[quote=Donald Grant
I've also have had trouble tracking one down that is the "first change" as the auction catalog states. No problem finding 3rd or 4th change though. DG[/quote]
Does your catalog have any pictures of the revolver looking down from above? I would like to see how the rear sight is mounted.
Also Boothroyd states in "The Handgun" the base revolver was a "K-200", "wartime Smith & Wesson" which would be much later and far more available than a "1st Change" M&P. The grip medallions on Boothroyd's .38 are pretty early though.
Could you provide the serial number from the catalog. This thread has re-stimulated my interest in this project!
[quote=Donald Grant
I've also have had trouble tracking one down that is the "first change" as the auction catalog states. No problem finding 3rd or 4th change though. DG
Does your catalog have any pictures of the revolver looking down from above? I would like to see how the rear sight is mounted.
Also Boothroyd states in "The Handgun" the base revolver was a "K-200", "wartime Smith & Wesson" which would be much later and far more available than a "1st Change" M&P. The grip medallions on Boothroyd's .38 are pretty early though.
Could you provide the serial number from the catalog. This thread has re-stimulated my interest in this project!
Thanks![/quote]
Yes, I have that Boothroyd book too. If memory serves, the Christie's catalog refers to it as the K-200 M&P Victory too along with "1st change". I'll check tonight and scan a photograph as well. This particular catalog also has the Fleming PPK and holster. However it was a 22 caliber if memory serves.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Thanks, nice photos! I'll bet they sold for more than the estimate....
I had never read that Boothroyd loaned IF a PPK!
I thought that they would sell for a song so I didn't attend that auction. In the end they went for a very low amount and I'm kicking myself for not going now X-(
I never heard the two pieces had been up for auction..... certainly the "Boothroyd Special" is the ultimate Bond gun ....
I was pretty astonished to read that Lazenby's PPK went for $7,000 at auction - that seemed like a real bargin to me, especially with pre-war examples in the $1200 range.
I never heard the two pieces had been up for auction..... certainly the "Boothroyd Special" is the ultimate Bond gun ....
I was pretty astonished to read that Lazenby's PPK went for $7,000 at auction - that seemed like a real bargin to me, especially with pre-war examples in the $1200 range.
I agree that the Boothroyd Special is one of the ultimate Bond guns to own. I've been hot for it for a long time. It's just too damn cool for school. And very old school at that.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
The nice thing is the piece would be pretty easy to replicate, the most difficult item in the mix is the rear sight, Boothroyd said it was out of a Webley airpistol.
Boothroyd's revolver itself appears to have been made in 1940, first year of production of the K200, originally chambered in the British Military .38/200 round (same as US .38 S&W). So the auction label of the revolver being a 1st Change version is incorrect.
If someone can lay hands on a couple of Webley sights ......
Thanks, nice photos! I'll bet they sold for more than the estimate....
I had never read that Boothroyd loaned IF a PPK!
I thought that they would sell for a song so I didn't attend that auction. In the end they went for a very low amount and I'm kicking myself for not going now X-(
Didn't they go to someone in the IFF?
The last I heard, they were still in this country because the (US) owner didn't want them de-activated and couldn't get the paperwork to export them in a "live" state from the UK - they're still here, somewhere - unless he did eventually get the right paperwork.
The nice thing is the piece would be pretty easy to replicate, the most difficult item in the mix is the rear sight, Boothroyd said it was out of a Webley airpistol.
Boothroyd's revolver itself appears to have been made in 1940, first year of production of the K200, originally chambered in the British Military .38/200 round (same as US .38 S&W). So the auction label of the revolver being a 1st Change version is incorrect.
If someone can lay hands on a couple of Webley sights ......
How are you determining that it's not a "first change" K-200. Did you get that information from the Supica and Nahas Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson? If so, I have to invest in a copy.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
By all means get the SCSW, its like the bible for S&W fans. And yes that's where I got the information.
The catalog writers just looked at the number on Boothroyd's revolver and stopped there, a tiny bit of research would have made their scribbles a bit more accurate.
But heck, the provenance was correct so the real details were less important, so no real foul on their part.
Recreating the Boothroyd Special could be done with any pre-WW2 M&P, thousands were turned out in the 1920's and 1930's that were essentially identical.
Question is, would you start with a K200, and ream it out to .38 special as GB did, or start with a .38 special? After all GB made his revolver up because he couldn't import a Combat Masterpiece or a Centennial Airweight from the USA.
These days the K200's are probably pretty collectable. Can't recall ever seeing alot of them, even in "the good old days".
By all means get the SCSW, its like the bible for S&W fans. And yes that's where I got the information.
The catalog writers just looked at the number on Boothroyd's revolver and stopped there, a tiny bit of research would have made their scribbles a bit more accurate.
But heck, the provenance was correct so the real details were less important, so no real foul on their part.
Recreating the Boothroyd Special could be done with any pre-WW2 M&P, thousands were turned out in the 1920's and 1930's that were essentially identical.
Question is, would you start with a K200, and ream it out to .38 special as GB did, or start with a .38 special? After all GB made his revolver up because he couldn't import a Combat Masterpiece or a Centennial Airweight from the USA.
These days the K200's are probably pretty collectable. Can't recall ever seeing alot of them, even in "the good old days".
Well, that makes sense. It goes along with what I've always maintained with respect to collecting. Which is, never take anyones word for it, do you're own research and remember that not even auction houses are above reproach. Part of that research involves constant reading and the purchasing of lots of books particularly if you have many and varied interest as I do. So, I will be purchasing the SCSW in short order.
As for re-creating the GB special, for me it would have to be done the exact same way Boothroyd did it. All that is required is a good gunsmith.
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
As for re-creating the GB special, for me it would have to be done the exact same way Boothroyd did it. All that is required is a good gunsmith.
The hardest part is finding the exact sight, which Boothroyd said was from a Webley-Pryse Airpistol. The ramp would be easy to duplicate. GB made his front sight out of brass, and as I recall he had a couple different sizes for aerial shootng and such. The rest is all handwork.
Long Time Luker....1st time poster. I thought I would step in on the PPK issue in regard to LTK. I happen to own the ONLY fully documented PPK that was used in the film.
The piece was an internally blanked (by Stembridge Gun Rentals) all German Walther, serial # 348075K in .32acp caliber. The pistol was purchased directly from Stembridge right after the doors closed. The piece came with 2 important documents inluding The Armorers Contract (dated: July 25, 1988) and the Rental Invoice.
* THIS PPK is THE ONLY one shown on the invoice and several boxes of blanks was sent along with this pistol.
There was indeed some other PPK's that were used by EON for publicity shots and a recent firearms auction featured 3 PPK's that were "identified" as being used in the film BUT serial # 348075K is the ONLY PPK that can be 100% verified and attributed to be used by Dalton in the film.
Congratulations! What a wonderful firearm to own! TD is one of the best of the Bond actors and with only two films to his name, something of a rare oo7 as well.
Please post some additional photos....I'm sure I am not alone in that.
Question, In LTK when the PPK appears to be wearing a pair of wooden stocks that used to be marketed by Walther, were you able to get those with the pistol?
Here are a couple pics. I just took...my apologies for the lack of photography skills.
Talking with one of the Armorers on the film and comparing markings (not to mention the same serial number) on a rubber stunt LTK PPK, the grips are original as used on the film. Take a closer look at the tiny holes on the right grip...this was also seen on the rubber model. I have been told it had something to do with the molding process...
I have been a Bond collector for some 20 years and have been quite lucky in finding very good props/costumes for my collection. I have also sold a few bits that I wish I had back!
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"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Vesper's response "Beautiful" ....
That applies to your ASP and holster Mr. Grant!
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Thanks for the praise on my ASP and holster. One of the things I'd like to do is collect all of the guns of James Bond, both literary and cinematic. It's a tall order, but I have a lifetime.
One of the guns I've been thinking about a great deal lately is the From Russia With Love Richard Chopping cover gun. It was Geoffrey Bothroyd's custom creation and I have a couple of his books, so I know the base gun that was used. I've allways thought it was a handsome gun with ramped front sight, adjustable rear sight, nickle plated cylinder, cut-a-way trigger guard, engine turned triggers and cut down barrel. I also have the auction catalog where the original was sold.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
http://www.freewebs.com/tmwtgg/ASP%20-%20Book%20Open.JPG
and here is my PPK setup
http://www.freewebs.com/tmwtgg/PPK%20-%20Open.JPG
Working on that one myself. I have a rear sight set aside, and have a similiar ramp for the barrel. Trick is I have been holding out for a British Marked M&P, and one hasn't crossed my way.
The base revolver would have to be somewhat "used" as I wouldn't want to destory anything truly collectable.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
I've also have had trouble tracking one down that is the "first change" as the auction catalog states. No problem finding 3rd or 4th change though.
Night,
The revolver appears on the hard cover edition of the original From Russia With Love book. It depicts a modified revolver intertwined with a rose. The artist who painted many of the original covers for the Fleming original hard covers was Richard Chopping. It was the real Geoffrey Boothroyd's gun that was lent to Fleming. Fleming liked the gun so much he wanted it on the cover of what was at that time his latest book (FRWL). Chopping painted in Tromp L'oeil (pronounced Tromp Loy) style.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Check the first edition cover on this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Russia_with_Love
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
I've also have had trouble tracking one down that is the "first change" as the auction catalog states. No problem finding 3rd or 4th change though. DG[/quote]
Does your catalog have any pictures of the revolver looking down from above? I would like to see how the rear sight is mounted.
Also Boothroyd states in "The Handgun" the base revolver was a "K-200", "wartime Smith & Wesson" which would be much later and far more available than a "1st Change" M&P. The grip medallions on Boothroyd's .38 are pretty early though.
Could you provide the serial number from the catalog. This thread has re-stimulated my interest in this project!
Thanks!
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Does your catalog have any pictures of the revolver looking down from above? I would like to see how the rear sight is mounted.
Also Boothroyd states in "The Handgun" the base revolver was a "K-200", "wartime Smith & Wesson" which would be much later and far more available than a "1st Change" M&P. The grip medallions on Boothroyd's .38 are pretty early though.
Could you provide the serial number from the catalog. This thread has re-stimulated my interest in this project!
Thanks![/quote]
Yes, I have that Boothroyd book too. If memory serves, the Christie's catalog refers to it as the K-200 M&P Victory too along with "1st change". I'll check tonight and scan a photograph as well. This particular catalog also has the Fleming PPK and holster. However it was a 22 caliber if memory serves.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
As requested, the Bond K-200 and Bond 22 Walther PPK.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee124/DonaldGrantPhotos/ChristiesK-200.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee124/DonaldGrantPhotos/Christies_Walter.jpg
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Thanks, nice photos! I'll bet they sold for more than the estimate....
I had never read that Boothroyd loaned IF a PPK!
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
I thought that they would sell for a song so I didn't attend that auction. In the end they went for a very low amount and I'm kicking myself for not going now X-(
I was pretty astonished to read that Lazenby's PPK went for $7,000 at auction - that seemed like a real bargin to me, especially with pre-war examples in the $1200 range.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
I agree that the Boothroyd Special is one of the ultimate Bond guns to own. I've been hot for it for a long time. It's just too damn cool for school. And very old school at that.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Boothroyd's revolver itself appears to have been made in 1940, first year of production of the K200, originally chambered in the British Military .38/200 round (same as US .38 S&W). So the auction label of the revolver being a 1st Change version is incorrect.
If someone can lay hands on a couple of Webley sights ......
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Didn't they go to someone in the IFF?
The last I heard, they were still in this country because the (US) owner didn't want them de-activated and couldn't get the paperwork to export them in a "live" state from the UK - they're still here, somewhere - unless he did eventually get the right paperwork.
How are you determining that it's not a "first change" K-200. Did you get that information from the Supica and Nahas Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson? If so, I have to invest in a copy.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
By all means get the SCSW, its like the bible for S&W fans. And yes that's where I got the information.
The catalog writers just looked at the number on Boothroyd's revolver and stopped there, a tiny bit of research would have made their scribbles a bit more accurate.
But heck, the provenance was correct so the real details were less important, so no real foul on their part.
Recreating the Boothroyd Special could be done with any pre-WW2 M&P, thousands were turned out in the 1920's and 1930's that were essentially identical.
Question is, would you start with a K200, and ream it out to .38 special as GB did, or start with a .38 special? After all GB made his revolver up because he couldn't import a Combat Masterpiece or a Centennial Airweight from the USA.
These days the K200's are probably pretty collectable. Can't recall ever seeing alot of them, even in "the good old days".
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Well, that makes sense. It goes along with what I've always maintained with respect to collecting. Which is, never take anyones word for it, do you're own research and remember that not even auction houses are above reproach. Part of that research involves constant reading and the purchasing of lots of books particularly if you have many and varied interest as I do. So, I will be purchasing the SCSW in short order.
As for re-creating the GB special, for me it would have to be done the exact same way Boothroyd did it. All that is required is a good gunsmith.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
The hardest part is finding the exact sight, which Boothroyd said was from a Webley-Pryse Airpistol. The ramp would be easy to duplicate. GB made his front sight out of brass, and as I recall he had a couple different sizes for aerial shootng and such. The rest is all handwork.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
The piece was an internally blanked (by Stembridge Gun Rentals) all German Walther, serial # 348075K in .32acp caliber. The pistol was purchased directly from Stembridge right after the doors closed. The piece came with 2 important documents inluding The Armorers Contract (dated: July 25, 1988) and the Rental Invoice.
* THIS PPK is THE ONLY one shown on the invoice and several boxes of blanks was sent along with this pistol.
There was indeed some other PPK's that were used by EON for publicity shots and a recent firearms auction featured 3 PPK's that were "identified" as being used in the film BUT serial # 348075K is the ONLY PPK that can be 100% verified and attributed to be used by Dalton in the film.
Here is a basic pic. of the PPK in question.
http://www.longmountain.com/movieguns/007-TimothyDalton/MVC-032S.JPG
I can certainly attach additional pics. of the prop if the Board shows and interest.
Love the Board by the way. Thank You.
Congratulations! What a wonderful firearm to own! TD is one of the best of the Bond actors and with only two films to his name, something of a rare oo7 as well.
Please post some additional photos....I'm sure I am not alone in that.
Question, In LTK when the PPK appears to be wearing a pair of wooden stocks that used to be marketed by Walther, were you able to get those with the pistol?
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Thank you for sharing. I definitely like to see more pictures - thanks!
Talking with one of the Armorers on the film and comparing markings (not to mention the same serial number) on a rubber stunt LTK PPK, the grips are original as used on the film. Take a closer look at the tiny holes on the right grip...this was also seen on the rubber model. I have been told it had something to do with the molding process...
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Markings include: walther - waffenfabrik walther, zella-mehlis (thur) Mod PPK. 7.65 m/m
magazine serial number: 305319
I have been a Bond collector for some 20 years and have been quite lucky in finding very good props/costumes for my collection. I have also sold a few bits that I wish I had back!
Cheers.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
BTW, I wonder about this one here:
http://www.bondcollectibles.de/catalogue/products.php?product=4343