Henry Cavill in 'The Tudors'

wordswords Buckinghamshire, EnglandPosts: 249MI6 Agent
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Hello everyone!

I wondered whether any of you have seen Henry Cavill in the BBC2 series 'The Tudors'. I can see how he would have made a good 'young Bond' but am glad they've held him back. He would be an excellent successor to DC IMO. Anyone who's been watching it got an opinion?

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  • taitytaity Posts: 702MI6 Agent
    Young Bond? As in the like 15 year old?
  • wordswords Buckinghamshire, EnglandPosts: 249MI6 Agent
    You haven't seen him recently have you? He seems to have (ahem) matured! ;)
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    I've seen him in this and I thought he's awful. But they say his Bond audition was very good, so I can't really say.
  • wordswords Buckinghamshire, EnglandPosts: 249MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    I've seen him in this and I thought he's awful. But they say his Bond audition was very good, so I can't really say.

    Some much for my judge of acting ability then! :D

    I just thought he was quite charismatic.
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    I saw him in Stardust, playing a rich bully. He came across as rather bland. But then I didn't think much of the film either, despite the presence of some other very good actors, Mark Strong and Rupert Everett amongst them.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    Oh yes- he was the bully, wasn't he? I didn't recognise him. He didn't get the chance to do much so I can't really say he was great, but he did nothing badly.

    I loved the film, by the way. :)
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    'The Tudors' is something which doesn't appear to be readily available on our side of the pond...I'd like to check it out, just to see if I agree with what I've heard...perhaps the 'BBC America' cable channel carries it ?:)
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  • wordswords Buckinghamshire, EnglandPosts: 249MI6 Agent
    Loeffelholz wrote:
    'The Tudors' is something which doesn't appear to be readily available on our side of the pond...I'd like to check it out, just to see if I agree with what I've heard...perhaps the 'BBC America' cable channel carries it ?:)

    I'm not really knowledgeable about such things, but it is an 11 week serial which is only half way through so maybe that will effect how long it takes to turn up on cable.. ?:)
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    Loeffelholz wrote:
    'The Tudors' is something which doesn't appear to be readily available on our side of the pond...I'd like to check it out, just to see if I agree with what I've heard...perhaps the 'BBC America' cable channel carries it ?:)

    That's odd- it's an American show I thought. Perhaps HBO?
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    emtiem wrote:
    Loeffelholz wrote:
    'The Tudors' is something which doesn't appear to be readily available on our side of the pond...I'd like to check it out, just to see if I agree with what I've heard...perhaps the 'BBC America' cable channel carries it ?:)

    That's odd- it's an American show I thought. Perhaps HBO?

    No idea...I'd never heard of it before seeing it discussed on AJB. I guess I'll have to look around a bit...

    If it's on HBO, I'll have to wait to 'Netflix' the DVDs; with Rome and the Sopranos gone, I cancelled my subscription...
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  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    Showtime produces The Tudors.The first season of The Tudors will be available on DVD on January 8,2008.The second season of The Tudors will air on Showtime later that year.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Willie Garvin wrote:
    Showtime carries The Tudors.The first season of The Tudors will be available on DVD on January 8,2008.The second season of The Tudors will air on Showtime later that year.

    Thanks for the tip, Mr. Garvin! {[] I don't get Showtime either, but I'll put it in my Netflix queue when available.
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  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    You're welcome,Loeffs.You might like this series-it's not entirely historically accurate(what a surprise), but the actors are all good and the stories are interesting.Cavill plays Charles Brandon--the warrior/playboy who was one of Henry VIII's closest friends.I think Cavill's convincing in his role and cuts a dashing figure, and it's not too difficult to see why Eon considered him to play a younger version of James Bond.

    Cavill's in his early 20s now--he'll be in his 30s by the time Craig is finished with 007.Who knows?Perhaps he'll have another opportunity to play Bond then.
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    The Tudors is fabulous, and Cavill is easy to see as a great Craig successor - but more tongue in cheek.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited November 2007
    Cavill was my 'dark horse' longshot for the role once guys like Jackman, Owen and Purefoy were said to have been 'out of it.' The lad's stage training and background are impressive, but I can now see that he was far too young in '05---it would've been like casting Tim Dalton in the early seventies...The recent news that Craig might wear the tux for another ten years or so would certainly work in Cavill's favour, I think.

    I agree with you, 'shooter, that he'd possibly bring a somewhat lighter tone, but who knows? If Eon can somehow manage to string five Craig Bonds together without sticking tongue-in-cheek (or foot-in-mouth, or head-in-arse) for the first time in their history, the world might be well be ready---even eager---for a lighter-style Bond once again.

    If---as I've always felt---Bond ebbs and flows across the years like an extended tidal cycle, a tall, 'very good-looking,' dark-haired young chap might be just the ticket by then.
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    Have you seen him act, though? I haven't been blown away by his abilities in the few bits of The Tudors I've seen, although I should watch a bit more. The Bond fans who saw his audition did say he was very good, but I'd have to be impressed by him myself before I'd be happy about him playing Bond. He looks great, but so did Brandon Routh, and fine though he was, he's hardly been setting the world alight since Superman.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    He's chatting away on youtube if you type his name in. Yeah, he looks the part alright but you're right about the Superman Returns analogy.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    emtiem wrote:
    Have you seen him act, though? I haven't been blown away by his abilities in the few bits of The Tudors I've seen, although I should watch a bit more. The Bond fans who saw his audition did say he was very good, but I'd have to be impressed by him myself before I'd be happy about him playing Bond.

    I'm reminded of those who talked about how unspectacular Daniel Craig was for all those years he did television in the UK, how he was overestimated as an actor, etc. As a result, I've learned to reserve judgment and see for myself.

    The admittedly few things I've seen Cavill do haven't put me off him, just as what little I'd personally seen of Craig in '05 (consisting solely of Road to Perdition prior to his being cast as Bond!) didn't put me off. I could well be wrong with Cavill, but I do tend to trust my instinct in such things, however illogical or unscientific my 'gut feelings' might be.

    Right now, my illogical, unscientific 'gut feeling' tells me that Henry Cavill will be James Bond someday. Don't ask me why...
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    Loeffelholz wrote:
    I'm reminded of those who talked about how unspectacular Daniel Craig was for all those years he did television in the UK, how he was overestimated as an actor, etc. As a result, I've learned to reserve judgment and see for myself.

    I don't really know what you mean- he did a few jobbing roles just like any actor (even Ben Kingsley did some soap acting!) but he got his big break in '96 in Our Friends in the North and I knew him from then on as one of those respected 'serious' actor types who makes worthy quality dramas etc. And the whole cast of that got known as very good actors. I remember being very surprised to see him in Tomb Raider! :) I don't understand what you mean by 'overestimated'...? He is a good actor.
    Loeffelholz wrote:
    The admittedly few things I've seen Cavill do haven't put me off him.....

    Right now, my illogical, unscientific 'gut feeling' tells me that Henry Cavill will be James Bond someday. Don't ask me why...

    Well, admittedly few things I have seen Cavill do have put me off slightly, but I think you could still well be right- he's on their radar and we've seen that work before.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    emtiem wrote:
    I don't really know what you mean- he did a few jobbing roles just like any actor (even Ben Kingsley did some soap acting!) but he got his big break in '96 in Our Friends in the North and I knew him from then on as one of those respected 'serious' actor types who makes worthy quality dramas etc. And the whole cast of that got known as very good actors. I remember being very surprised to see him in Tomb Raider! :) I don't understand what you mean by 'overestimated'...? He is a good actor.

    I agree; don't get me wrong. I think he's The Best Bond Since ConneryTM :007)

    Not to dredge up any unpleasantness, but I don't think you'd have to search too deeply through threads running in mid-late '05 through early '06 to find posts that aren't particularly kind to Craig's early-TV career---I think I even recall posters who disregarded his work in Our Friends In The North (a show about which I personally know nothing)---which at the time seemed to be just another avenue of voicing dissatisfaction with Craig's casting as Bond...and that's fine. Most everyone has favourites, and less-favourites.

    It's that sort of thing, though, which convinced me that other people's opinions about potential Bond actors are worth exactly what I pay to read them ;)
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    Loeffelholz wrote:
    Not to dredge up any unpleasantness, but I don't think you'd have to search too deeply through threads running in mid-late '05 through early '06 to find posts that aren't particularly kind to Craig's early-TV career---I think I even recall posters who disregarded his work in Our Friends In The North (a show about which I personally know nothing)---which at the time seemed to be just another avenue of voicing dissatisfaction with Craig's casting as Bond...and that's fine. Most everyone has favourites, and less-favourites.

    Were there? That's really flying in the face of recieved opinion; to the same extent as someone saying 'Connery was bad at playing Bond'! :D Smacks of bad grapes for someone to accuse him of being bad in that. They were regarded as the future of British acting talent, more or less, and all were doing pretty weightly stuff of the social conscience variety for a while.
    Oddly since then they've all mostly moved into big budget light entertainment fantasy stuff: Chris Eccleston became Dr Who and is the bad guy in the new big family fantasy flick; Mark Strong was the baddie in Stardust recently; and Craig became Bond and the star of His Dark Materials! All we need now is Gina McKee to become Miss Marple and the circle's complete! :)

    Seriously though; it's worth watching Our Friends in the North- one of the best UK TV dramas of the 90's, that one.
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    Seriously though; it's worth watching Our Friends in the North- one of the best UK TV dramas of the 90's, that one.

    {[] OFITN is well worth a look. And Craig gives one of his finest performances. I don't recall Craig ever getting bad reviews until he was cast as Bond. He was quite highly regarded until the Craig Wars began.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    ?:) What's your sig quote wittering on about, Drake? :))
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,877MI6 Agent
    That would be a quote from Danger Man. :)
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,427MI6 Agent
    ?:) You mean that's not his real name?
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  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Napoleon Plural wrote:
    ?:) You mean that's not his real name?

    Afraid not, no. It's an assumed identity. Sadly I am not the first person NATO calls when they need an international superspy to solve a problem. :D
  • AlessandraAlessandra Lake Garda, ItalyPosts: 633MI6 Agent
    I have just finished watching both Season 1 and Season 2 of the Tudors. And I think Henry Cavill would be fan-tas-tic as Bond. I also think he manages to look Bond-like even in the Tudors, what with the "bad boy" attitude, yet the growing and getting his own style? I started watching it with absolutely no expectations, and I hadn't seen Cavill in anything before this, so I wasn't biased in any way. I think he would be terrific. Terrific. He's got the looks, the range, the attitude, the smile, and the impertinent yet serious and enquiring way of looking at other people that James Bond must have.

    I also think his acting is real good, and he has been classically trained too. And since as you know I really do not like Craig as Bond, the perspective of Cavill consoles me. At least someone who actually LOOKS like Bond for the future. As far as I'm concerned, I hope it's as soon as possible. unfortunately for me, doesn't seem likely.. :))

    And while they're at it, they can have Cavill as Bond and Rhys-Meyers as the villain for that new one. Borrow from The Tudors all the way :))

    I think the series is very well done from an acting/TV standpoint. Historically speaking, well... let's just forget about it :))
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