With these shirts all being individually numbered, how exactly are they going to be issued out? Can we pick what number(s) we want, or is it just going to be randomly done?
Just to be sure, the shirt is $300 US and not 300 pounds GB correct?
Is the shirt a cotton fabric? I am concerned about washing it when the time comes.
Is there any return or exchange policy?
With these shirts all being individually numbered, how exactly are they going to be issued out? Can we pick what number(s) we want, or is it just going to be randomly done?
If we can pick a number I would like #24 as that was my college baseball number and it seems like everything I own has #24 on it. If randomly assigned no problem there either.
Here's a thought that may help the developers of the project cut their losses a little...and I do mean a little. How about a premium on any shirt issued with a "00" number? Maybe make the first 9 shirts $400 or $500 instead of $300. I'm sure the extra $$$$ would help close the gap on their losses. Just a thought. How many would even be interested in having a lower numbered shirt? As with many limited edition collectibles the lower numbers are sometimes preferred by collectors and I just thought some of the guys might be willing to pay a little more to have a "Double 0" next to their name. A penny for your thoughts.
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I vote for random numbers based on that in which the order is placed, or as close as possible. If we start requesting numbers this whole thing is going to get more heated and complicated.
I think most of the new questions have been answered (or slimed Spitzer-style by ASP9mm ) so I won't bother going over them.
But on the question on washing, I'd prefer to leave it to Simon to check with the manufacturer..
Obviously we're not running a business, so guarantees against shrinkage etc just ain't possible, but I want everyone who buys to be happy, so we'll do our very best to make sure that remains - in other words, I'll listen to any issues that arise and try to help.
On the postage, it's likely I'll do the UK and rest of world, and Si will do the US/Canada and anywhere else you guys invade in the next few months...
And finally on the numbering issue....I like the idea of charging enormous amounts for the first 10 shirts....perhaps a truely enormous amount for 007.....then again I want a quiet life....
oh and on DC's measurements, i'd never say never, but it's looking unlikely...
Are the numbers going to be on the garment label?
I don't mind what number I get, but I can't go any higher than $300 plus shipping.
I am ready for payment as well. Any word on standard sizes or are they requesting measurements for all?
Thanks again to those in charge who are putting in all this hard work, time, and effort.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
Paul, if you do number them, then why don't you auction 007 on JamesBondLifestyle.com. You may recoup a bit of cash that way and avoid the argument of who gets it. It'd also create a buzz around the whole thing. Just a thought. Had one last year too.
Sorry to rain on everyones parade but I don't think we will be numbering these shirts. The company making them has agreed to put our namers on there which will help us know whos is whos for shipping purposes but I dont think they will make numbered labels without charging us more money. and I dont think anyone wants a there number written in permananet marker on teh shirt
Can this be the final word on this topic...PLEASE...
I agree entirely...jon-tre-moan had more than one point...
But he demonstrated the logic of a 5yr old and the persuasive debating methodology of Al Queda..
"if I don't like it, I blow it up..."
I've had a week of beautiful sights (Petra, Jordan, one of the new seven wonders...No Sir Miles, Raven isn't the sixth...) and I guess it's cleared my head..
The simple answer is I can't be R-said to do 100+ shirts....30-40 shirts for 20-30 guys (and girls pretending to be guys, guys pretending to be girls, and "models" pretending to be bond fans) will be enough of a logistical nightmare...
Now if anyone fancies taking this escapade over, all they have to do is pay me the £5000 (that's approx US$10,000 today...) i'm out and they can have the material and make as many shirts as they want...and sell them to whoever they want..
In case I've upset them I may reserve the right to keep 10m myself to make my own shirt(s)..
KMHPaladin - you have right of first refusal, as something tells me Jontremaine will pass...
Let me know...
Cheers Paul
As I said Paul, since you've obviously put a lot of time, money, and effort into this, it's your prerogative to do as you like. I certainly wouldn't begrudge you the right to do anything with the fabric, up to and including using it as potentially the world's most expensive toilet paper, if it struck your fancy.
That being said, as I intimated, I thought it silly to restrict construction of the shirts any further than would already have been the case based on 'exclusivity'. That's my personal thought on the matter, not an instruction. If your intention for limiting the production is logistical, I can certainly understand that, even if I still think it unnecessarily increases the price given your sunk costs.
But really, my intent really is not to be a spoil-sport. I just wanted to put my 2 cents in as an observer, since I felt there was some validity to what was being said regardless of the manner in which it was said. However, even at $200 or $250 I'd have a hard time justifying it, given my other hobbies, so the point is somewhat moot at least to me. And, I definitely do have to acknowledge again all the work that you guys have put into it. I'm really looking forward to seeing the finished product and people getting theirs. As the Irish saying goes, wear them in good health.
If I'm not mistaken, and no I don't want to read the whole thread again, the tailoring is going to run $180 per shirt. $200 ain't gonna cut it. What's not to understand?
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
you are trying to explain your point of view, and are setting the right tone etc.
But the fact is, that there are obviously commitments being done, that the fabric is only tailored by certain people.
So, however we turn it, however we discuss it, rudely or politely, as friends or enemys, it does not change the basics for this deal:
We can't discuss away the tailoring costs and believe me, I'd be happier, if there would be a way to get them made cheaper in the right quality. But it does not exist.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Again, I believe you misread my post. Perhaps you took my comment "at $200 or $250 I'd have a hard time justifying it" incorrectly. To be clear, whether the cost is $300, $250, or $200 (however impossible that may be - it was a rhetorical point), I have other things to spend the money on, so whether or not the production size was changed, it would most likely not personally affect my decision. With that in mind I am clearly not trying to 'persuade' anyone to do anything - hence my comment that I was offering my personal thoughts, not an instruction.
If you're referring to the fixed cost of the tailoring - $180 - then, if you'd like to discuss specifics, there is a per-shirt fixed cost - $180 - and the fabric cost $10,000, minus whatever the fabric buyers may eat/retain X, split among Y shirt-buyers. So, you will have a cost of $180 + ($10,000-Y)/Z. You can vary X or Y or both. That's it...
no, I am not only referring to your calculation, which is also not correct:
The price for the fabric is US$ 10.000 for 500 meters. Which makes US$ 20,-- per meter.
Taken the fact, that every shirt will use an average of 3 meters, you have fixed US$ 60,-- for the fabric. And this, no matter, how you vary the X and Ys.
So, the bottomline is US$ 240,-- for the fabric and the tailoring alone (plus other expenses like buttons, lining, PayPal fees, labels and whatever)and this is not variable.
I referred mostly on your comments about destroying the material and getting more people in the project.
I am kicking myself, why I did reply to your post as this seems to go on endless, but I wanted to show, that I am also able to calculate
But, whatever comes now, I will not reply, promised!
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I see no reason why we shouldn't reply to each other - is there something uncivil about our discussion?
As far as your calculation, I believe you have hit at the crux of what I'm saying. The per-shirt material cost varies based on how many shirts you make - it has to.
You can only have a per-meter cost of $20 if you use all 500m. If you use 150m - 50 shirts - then your per-meter cost by definition goes up to ~$67 per meter. You can only have a per-shirt cost of $60 if you make 500 meters / 3 meters per shirt = ~167 shirts.
If you do not use 350m of fabric and charge $20/m, you will make 150m * $20 = $3000 and be in the hole $7000. This goes back to variable "X" from the calculation above.
So, when I get my shirt the first thing I am going to do is put some planning around the first time I will wear it in public. Will it be an ocean side vacation? My corporations first night cocktail hour? A local Bond event....hmmm.. This will take a few martinis to decide. And I truly believe we should start a DIFFERENT thread when they are received to start a picture thread...
So, when I get my shirt the first thing I am going to do is put some planning around the first time I will wear it in public. Will it be an ocean side vacation? My corporations first night cocktail hour? A local Bond event....hmmm.. This will take a few martinis to decide. And I truly believe we should start a DIFFERENT thread when they are received to start a picture thread...
Mantis...love your idea of another thread with photos. I believe I may have mentioned Milwaukee's Safe House in previous threads. I was there with 037 last summer when he was up visiting from Florida. At the Safe House they have people take photos of themselves with a Safe House attache case when they visit exotic or historically noteworthy locations around the world...many of which are actual Bond shooting locations. Maybe we could do something similar OR have the guys take photos of themselves wearing their shirts in front of some sort of iconic piece of architecture that shows off their home towns.
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So, when I get my shirt the first thing I am going to do is put some planning around the first time I will wear it in public. Will it be an ocean side vacation? My corporations first night cocktail hour? A local Bond event....hmmm.. This will take a few martinis to decide. And I truly believe we should start a DIFFERENT thread when they are received to start a picture thread...
I think you should come to the UK in high Summer and we can all look right sad gits going into Turnbull & Asser asking for Bond ties. After that we can all get ****ed at the Connaught and regale each other in Bondian tales {[]
So, when I get my shirt the first thing I am going to do is put some planning around the first time I will wear it in public. Will it be an ocean side vacation? My corporations first night cocktail hour? A local Bond event....hmmm.. This will take a few martinis to decide. And I truly believe we should start a DIFFERENT thread when they are received to start a picture thread...
I will be working on my arms at the gym between now and then!
I think you should come to the UK in high Summer and we can all look right sad gits going into Turnbull & Asser asking for Bond ties. After that we can all get ****ed at the Connaught and regale each other in Bondian tales {[]
Count me in as a sad git! Just need to renew my passport! {[]
Any updates on measurements and payment?
Paul or Simon, have they said whether they will do standard sizes?
Simon, do you know if the fabric is cotton and washable?
Thanks guys. This is very exciting and I can't wait for my shirt. You have done some exceptional work handling all of this. I hope everthing is finalized soon.
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I may have comprehension problems, or is it the language?
Is that the final no-go for DCs measurements or is there still a small amout of hope?
Now guys, hit me...
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Is the shirt a cotton fabric? I am concerned about washing it when the time comes.
Is there any return or exchange policy?
Thanks guys, keep up the great work.
If we can pick a number I would like #24 as that was my college baseball number and it seems like everything I own has #24 on it. If randomly assigned no problem there either.
Here's a thought that may help the developers of the project cut their losses a little...and I do mean a little. How about a premium on any shirt issued with a "00" number? Maybe make the first 9 shirts $400 or $500 instead of $300. I'm sure the extra $$$$ would help close the gap on their losses. Just a thought. How many would even be interested in having a lower numbered shirt? As with many limited edition collectibles the lower numbers are sometimes preferred by collectors and I just thought some of the guys might be willing to pay a little more to have a "Double 0" next to their name. A penny for your thoughts.
There's always one 8-)
I vote for random numbers based on that in which the order is placed, or as close as possible. If we start requesting numbers this whole thing is going to get more heated and complicated.
Yeah, that's what I meant
I think most of the new questions have been answered (or slimed Spitzer-style by ASP9mm
But on the question on washing, I'd prefer to leave it to Simon to check with the manufacturer..
Obviously we're not running a business, so guarantees against shrinkage etc just ain't possible, but I want everyone who buys to be happy, so we'll do our very best to make sure that remains - in other words, I'll listen to any issues that arise and try to help.
On the postage, it's likely I'll do the UK and rest of world, and Si will do the US/Canada and anywhere else you guys invade in the next few months...
And finally on the numbering issue....I like the idea of charging enormous amounts for the first 10 shirts....perhaps a truely enormous amount for 007.....then again I want a quiet life....
oh and on DC's measurements, i'd never say never, but it's looking unlikely...
cheers
Thanks again -{
Are the numbers going to be on the garment label?
I don't mind what number I get, but I can't go any higher than $300 plus shipping.
I am ready for payment as well. Any word on standard sizes or are they requesting measurements for all?
Thanks again to those in charge who are putting in all this hard work, time, and effort.
{[] Cheers! B-)
As I said Paul, since you've obviously put a lot of time, money, and effort into this, it's your prerogative to do as you like. I certainly wouldn't begrudge you the right to do anything with the fabric, up to and including using it as potentially the world's most expensive toilet paper, if it struck your fancy.
That being said, as I intimated, I thought it silly to restrict construction of the shirts any further than would already have been the case based on 'exclusivity'. That's my personal thought on the matter, not an instruction. If your intention for limiting the production is logistical, I can certainly understand that, even if I still think it unnecessarily increases the price given your sunk costs.
But really, my intent really is not to be a spoil-sport. I just wanted to put my 2 cents in as an observer, since I felt there was some validity to what was being said regardless of the manner in which it was said. However, even at $200 or $250 I'd have a hard time justifying it, given my other hobbies, so the point is somewhat moot at least to me. And, I definitely do have to acknowledge again all the work that you guys have put into it. I'm really looking forward to seeing the finished product and people getting theirs. As the Irish saying goes, wear them in good health.
read this, all there said:
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I believe you have misread my post.
you are trying to explain your point of view, and are setting the right tone etc.
But the fact is, that there are obviously commitments being done, that the fabric is only tailored by certain people.
So, however we turn it, however we discuss it, rudely or politely, as friends or enemys, it does not change the basics for this deal:
We can't discuss away the tailoring costs and believe me, I'd be happier, if there would be a way to get them made cheaper in the right quality. But it does not exist.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
If you're referring to the fixed cost of the tailoring - $180 - then, if you'd like to discuss specifics, there is a per-shirt fixed cost - $180 - and the fabric cost $10,000, minus whatever the fabric buyers may eat/retain X, split among Y shirt-buyers. So, you will have a cost of $180 + ($10,000-Y)/Z. You can vary X or Y or both. That's it...
The price for the fabric is US$ 10.000 for 500 meters. Which makes US$ 20,-- per meter.
Taken the fact, that every shirt will use an average of 3 meters, you have fixed US$ 60,-- for the fabric. And this, no matter, how you vary the X and Ys.
So, the bottomline is US$ 240,-- for the fabric and the tailoring alone (plus other expenses like buttons, lining, PayPal fees, labels and whatever)and this is not variable.
I referred mostly on your comments about destroying the material and getting more people in the project.
I am kicking myself, why I did reply to your post as this seems to go on endless, but I wanted to show, that I am also able to calculate
But, whatever comes now, I will not reply, promised!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
As far as your calculation, I believe you have hit at the crux of what I'm saying. The per-shirt material cost varies based on how many shirts you make - it has to.
You can only have a per-meter cost of $20 if you use all 500m. If you use 150m - 50 shirts - then your per-meter cost by definition goes up to ~$67 per meter. You can only have a per-shirt cost of $60 if you make 500 meters / 3 meters per shirt = ~167 shirts.
If you do not use 350m of fabric and charge $20/m, you will make 150m * $20 = $3000 and be in the hole $7000. This goes back to variable "X" from the calculation above.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Mantis...love your idea of another thread with photos. I believe I may have mentioned Milwaukee's Safe House in previous threads. I was there with 037 last summer when he was up visiting from Florida. At the Safe House they have people take photos of themselves with a Safe House attache case when they visit exotic or historically noteworthy locations around the world...many of which are actual Bond shooting locations. Maybe we could do something similar OR have the guys take photos of themselves wearing their shirts in front of some sort of iconic piece of architecture that shows off their home towns.
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I think you should come to the UK in high Summer and we can all look right sad gits going into Turnbull & Asser asking for Bond ties. After that we can all get ****ed at the Connaught and regale each other in Bondian tales {[]
Count me in as a sad git! Just need to renew my passport! {[]
Paul or Simon, have they said whether they will do standard sizes?
Simon, do you know if the fabric is cotton and washable?
Thanks guys. This is very exciting and I can't wait for my shirt. You have done some exceptional work handling all of this. I hope everthing is finalized soon.