Well, we'll have to see how Simon get's on with his negotiations. He is a genius in this regard, so it's not a finality, only a possibility that it will be extra. I wouldn't get too upset over it guys, it's not you that will be seriously out of pocket in this venture. Imagine how Paul feels
I definitely hope it gets resolved.
How is it that you guys are locked into this tailor regarding Eon? It's not an officially licensed product. You bought fabric, the same fabric I bought just much more of it. No one can tell me what to do with my three meters. I can give it to my Grandma to make a quilt from if I like.
Why not let someone like Magnoli, who nailed the Bahamas shirt by the way, do the tailoring on this shirt. I've spoken to him about making a shirt from my fabric and it was nowhere near $260 for labor, even with the pocket, placket and yoke lined up. It wasn't even $100.
Didn't this whole venture start as an attempt to make a fan made shirt with reproduction fabric anyway. When it started we didn't even have the manufacturer of the fabric and everyone was all for it. This way we would have the correct fabric with correct details at a reasonable cost. The tailor's word is worthless if they're not even giving us the correct shirt for the price agreed. Can we trust them that something else won't be a problem on delivery?
Sorry to be rude about the tailor but that's the way I feel right now. 8-)
We're all collectors here, and i have paid heavy for my collection as most of you have done the same, i don't mind paying an amount as long as i know what i'm getting at the end, but when the end result is the same as when first promised but with at a higher price, i would also be a upset.
lets hope the guys take care of this matter for a peaceful resolution.
This is not meant disrespectfully, and if I'm off, please tell me, but my guess is that using this tailor was part of the point of this whole project for the men who started the ball rolling and have been driving the bus. They see it as a Brioni/Magnoli issue, like getting Omega to custom make a run of screen-accurate watches, as opposed to buying an imitation.
These are guys who are proud of their collections; they have original, screen-used stuff, name-brand copies of Bond items. They saw this (rightly) as getting as close to a level of screen-used as possible. That's awesome, it's what makes them such great and fun collectors.
That said, I think that might be blinding them to the fact that when all is said and done, they might be better served by taking it to a replica manufacturer who'd be more eager to make the buyers happy, instead of increasing cost by more than 25% at the last minute (perhaps it's not as last minute as I am imagining it to be; I came in late).
Ultimately, the decision is to be made by the guys to whom it means the most (which is pretty fair in my opinion). and it's their call to deal with whatever the group commitment reaction is. I've always seen this as a handful of guys going whole hog for it, and defraying their own costs by making the same thing available to fellow collectors at a fraction of what they themselves are paying. Good for them. I'm a guest in this purchase, as far as I'm concerned; how do I criticize how they're going about it, y'know?
I absolutely agree. Lets get the shirt as acurate as possible. I know money is an issue but this is true bond memorabillia. (anyway that's my twopennyworty!)
Everyone's concerns are valid, and are being felt by even the founders of this project, I assure you....for everyone one post here there are several behind the scenes emails being generated. Simon is working hard on discussing these issues with the tailor and he is going straight to the TOP, as they say. Expectations are rightfully high on this project and no one wants anything less than a perfect experience.
I have to admit now that I'm really starting to feel uneasy about this whole project after the latest news concerning a price increase in order to give us what we want. Hopefully, those in charge of this project can work out some sort of agreement with them. By the way, does this company your dealing with guarantee it's work? Personally, for the price we are paying for this shirt, I feel they most definitely should.
China would be a good start, taiwan, or even somewhere in central america, any of these places would give a better price.
Yeah, but that's like buying material from Brioni and getting it tailored by Hwin Long Song Flong tailors, not exactly a Brioni suit when it's finished is it.
There are some tailors in the Far East who do some staggering quality work. Who cares if they aren't brand-standard?
I have to admit; a £40 increase and I'm more than likely out.
Why are we tied to this tailor? And why are we so scared of Eon? FFS, Lucasfilm isn't even that bad that they'd stamp all over a tiny run like this...
I have been watching this topic for a long while and this is my first and last comment
I agree with Eagle why not go to a different tailor / outfit maker... there are hundreds..
in regards to this I am willing to bet that within the next few months I bet there is an almost identical replica of the shirt for a cheap price. somone is going to catch on sooner or later and produce a replica through the right contractors etc ... I am also willing to bet you could more than likely buy a replica just now somewere in Turkey .. good old turky ripp off's
i do hate the country and its culture and every turkish person I have met and spoke to.. but I gotta hand it to them they do make a fine replica and a rip off. LOL....
THE ABOVE STATEMENT about turkey was meant as sarcasim .. I know the lowest form of humour... but hey...! please see page 47 of this topic for my public appology ..
I have been watching this topic for a long while and this is my first and last comment
I agree with Eagle why not go to a different tailor / outfit maker... there are hundreds..
in regards to this I am willing to bet that within the next few months I bet there is an almost identical replica of the shirt for a cheap price. somone is going to catch on sooner or later and produce a replica through the right contractors etc ... I am also willing to bet you could more than likely buy a replica just now somewere in Turkey .. good old turky ripp off's
i do hate the country and its culture and every turkish person I have met and spoke to.. but I gotta hand it to them they do make a fine replica and a rip off. LOL
SGG, if you have been watching the entire thread like you say, I am sure, that you have noticed that the particular UK tailor is part of the deal and that is the only way, that EON and the fabric maker would tolerate the shirt to be done.
Besides this, I am not sure, what you want to say with your post besides displaying national prejudices at their worst and pure speculations about forthcoming replica of this shirt without any substance.
CR came out in 2006, so, why has the shirt not have been copied in the meantime???
I suggest to think twice before posting such a thing here, good man!
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Unless my math is wrong, they are basically asking for an extra $2000+ ($80 * ~25 shirts) just to line up these elements. I won't be buying (unfortunately had to drop out after the price rose about $200), but the extra increase seems like an unreasonably high demand on those who have agreed to purchase. Hope you guys work something out with the tailor nonetheless
SGG, if you have been watching the entire thread like you say, I am sure, that you have noticed that the particular UK tailor is part of the deal and that is the only way, that EON and the fabric maker would tolerate the shirt to be done.
What I don't understand is how we're all locked into using this specific company to make the shirts, yet Kittlemeier was able to buy 3 metres of the fabric from this company and do with it whatever he pleases? He's not locked into having only them tailor it.
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in regards to this I am willing to bet that within the next few months I bet there is an almost identical replica of the shirt for a cheap price. somone is going to catch on sooner or later and produce a replica through the right contractors etc ... I am also willing to bet you could more than likely buy a replica just now somewere in Turkey .. good old turky ripp off's
i do hate the country and its culture and every turkish person I have met and spoke to.. but I gotta hand it to them they do make a fine replica and a rip off. LOL
I am a betting man so what is your wager? The people here can be witnesses.
As a replica maker and not a "prop maker" (someone who actually are in the in the film industry and actually suplying props for film), I think the effort here is best it can be for the ultimate replica - nothing will come close to this. Forget about other copies of the shirt, I seriously doubt there will even be copies of the fabric out there - No fabric, No Shirt!
SGG, if you have been watching the entire thread like you say, I am sure, that you have noticed that the particular UK tailor is part of the deal and that is the only way, that EON and the fabric maker would tolerate the shirt to be done.
What I don't understand is how we're all locked into using this specific company to make the shirts, yet Kittlemeier was able to buy 3 metres of the fabric from this company and do with it whatever he pleases? He's not locked into having only them tailor it.
From what kittlemeier said, he got the fabric somewhere but not by the original maker. So, I would suggest, that these 3 meters have been a kind of sample, which can not be compared with an entire roll of 500 meters.
But that's speculations, as we may never know.
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A couple of quick points, the material its self it copyrighted by people who made it so anyone replicating the material might want to think twice about that.
Even if you dont care about my initial point and you did replicate the material pattern I doubt you could replicate teh quality of this material.
Other than Kittlemeirs 3m we are fairly sure there is no more of this material available anywhere unless you get the manufacturer to print another 500m as we did ($$$$).
Last but by no measns least my grandfather was from Turkey so im effectivley part turkish and take great offense to SGG's social blunder (second time this has happened).
I think the best thing for all of us to do is take a step back, count to 10, take a deep breath and let the people who are heading this project do their thing.
I am sure that they have taken note of the concerns expressed here and will take everyones best interest to heart and let us know how things stand.
After that you have the opportunity to deside if you want to proceed or not.
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I think the best thing for all of us to do is take a step back, count to 10, take a deep breath and let the people who are heading this project do their thing.
I am sure that they have taken note of the concerns expressed here and will take everyones best interest to heart and let us know how things stand.
After that you have the opportunity to deside if you want to proceed or not.
So if Magnoli did a replica, it would be a cheap rip off. Unless of course it's of a tie that's absolutely no longer available or a shirt that we didn't happen to identify? 8-)
My three meters were purchased from a fabric store in England, just like thousands of meters of the same fabric were prior to this venture. Hemming herself could have bought it from there, who knows? I don't understand how Eon, who has nothing to do with the fabric other than using it for this shirt, can say what can be done with it.
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Please don't put words into my mouth. I never mentioned cheap rip offs SGG did, and in no way was Magnoli ever mentioned as producing cheap crappy rip-offs. Please stop taking things hugely out of context.
SGG, surprised at your comments regarding folks from Turkey knowing what an international group we have here AND the fact that you are trying to tsrat your own business. Always think before you type especially around statements that seem overly dramatic and potentially harmful.
And I really despise how this thread has begun to divide our group instead of galvanizing it. This project was going to bring people together not split them apart. Our 'family' is too small and special to have a project like this cause a rift so let's stay on target with our words...
My three meters were purchased from a fabric store in England, just like thousands of meters of the same fabric were prior to this venture. Hemming herself could have bought it from there, who knows? I don't understand how Eon, who has nothing to do with the fabric other than using it for this shirt, can say what can be done with it.
What he said.
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And I really despise how this thread has begun to divide our group instead of galvanizing it. This project was going to bring people together not split them apart. Our 'family' is too small and special to have a project like this cause a rift so let's stay on target with our words...
Me too, Mantis.
At the moment there seems to be a lot of speculation about what may happen. As said before, lets take a step back and a deep breath and wait for definate news.
Projects like this, especially undertaken by individuals or small groups, usually over-run and seldom run smooth. Lets not forget that the gentlemen running this project also have to earn a living as well as put in the hard work for this on our behalf. Let us back these men as best we can.
It's not that I don't support the individuals spear-heading this project, (believe me I greatly appreciate all the hard work they've done!), it's more my confidence in this anonymous company which is making the shirts that is truly making me feel quite uneasy. I just don't want to end up spending $300 US for a shirt that doesn't meet a certain level of standard. For that kind of money I expect nothing less than perfect, but it seems in order to get that, we now might have to cough up even more money, which I feel is absolutely ridiculous! I am truly hoping that you guys can convince them to reconsider their stance on this issue.
Please don't put words into my mouth. I never mentioned cheap rip offs SGG did, and in no way was Magnoli ever mentioned as producing cheap crappy rip-offs. Please stop taking things hugely out of context.
My apologies. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. I misunderstood what you meant.
It just seems that the whole project, which before the maker and fabric were found, was well on it's way to producing a great replica. Since the maker and fabric have been found, replica has become a bad word regarding this shirt.
This shirtmaker knows they have what we want, so they're charging as much as they can. Then they're tacking on extra cost for details that should be obvious. If it was a striped dress shirt they'd have it lined up. Why is this a problem?
I appreciate that you guys put out the money for the fabric, I just don't want you sitting on 90% of it because an unreasonable tailor priced everyone out.
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We think it is very unreasonable too, but we needed to inform you of the possibility just in case it becomes reality, but most of all so that you know that this project is ongoing and emails are going back and forth daily to bring this project to a happy conclusion.
Perhaps, we should get them to do our shirts for us, only bigger?
Smaller scale? You don't suppose the knuckleheads that started CraigNotBond.com think that this is the 1:1 scale and that Craig is pictured life sized in this photo do you.
If it does become reality, I hope we're still not all obligated in going through with this project? I just can't afford to invest any more money into this, as I have already wen't over my initial budgeted amount for this!
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I definitely hope it gets resolved.
How is it that you guys are locked into this tailor regarding Eon? It's not an officially licensed product. You bought fabric, the same fabric I bought just much more of it. No one can tell me what to do with my three meters. I can give it to my Grandma to make a quilt from if I like.
Why not let someone like Magnoli, who nailed the Bahamas shirt by the way, do the tailoring on this shirt. I've spoken to him about making a shirt from my fabric and it was nowhere near $260 for labor, even with the pocket, placket and yoke lined up. It wasn't even $100.
Didn't this whole venture start as an attempt to make a fan made shirt with reproduction fabric anyway. When it started we didn't even have the manufacturer of the fabric and everyone was all for it. This way we would have the correct fabric with correct details at a reasonable cost. The tailor's word is worthless if they're not even giving us the correct shirt for the price agreed. Can we trust them that something else won't be a problem on delivery?
Sorry to be rude about the tailor but that's the way I feel right now. 8-)
lets hope the guys take care of this matter for a peaceful resolution.
These are guys who are proud of their collections; they have original, screen-used stuff, name-brand copies of Bond items. They saw this (rightly) as getting as close to a level of screen-used as possible. That's awesome, it's what makes them such great and fun collectors.
That said, I think that might be blinding them to the fact that when all is said and done, they might be better served by taking it to a replica manufacturer who'd be more eager to make the buyers happy, instead of increasing cost by more than 25% at the last minute (perhaps it's not as last minute as I am imagining it to be; I came in late).
Ultimately, the decision is to be made by the guys to whom it means the most (which is pretty fair in my opinion). and it's their call to deal with whatever the group commitment reaction is. I've always seen this as a handful of guys going whole hog for it, and defraying their own costs by making the same thing available to fellow collectors at a fraction of what they themselves are paying. Good for them. I'm a guest in this purchase, as far as I'm concerned; how do I criticize how they're going about it, y'know?
Keep us posted, gentlemen.
There are some tailors in the Far East who do some staggering quality work. Who cares if they aren't brand-standard?
I have to admit; a £40 increase and I'm more than likely out.
Why are we tied to this tailor? And why are we so scared of Eon? FFS, Lucasfilm isn't even that bad that they'd stamp all over a tiny run like this...
I agree with Eagle why not go to a different tailor / outfit maker... there are hundreds..
in regards to this I am willing to bet that within the next few months I bet there is an almost identical replica of the shirt for a cheap price. somone is going to catch on sooner or later and produce a replica through the right contractors etc ... I am also willing to bet you could more than likely buy a replica just now somewere in Turkey .. good old turky ripp off's
i do hate the country and its culture and every turkish person I have met and spoke to.. but I gotta hand it to them they do make a fine replica and a rip off. LOL....
THE ABOVE STATEMENT about turkey was meant as sarcasim .. I know the lowest form of humour... but hey...! please see page 47 of this topic for my public appology ..
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SGG, if you have been watching the entire thread like you say, I am sure, that you have noticed that the particular UK tailor is part of the deal and that is the only way, that EON and the fabric maker would tolerate the shirt to be done.
Besides this, I am not sure, what you want to say with your post besides displaying national prejudices at their worst and pure speculations about forthcoming replica of this shirt without any substance.
CR came out in 2006, so, why has the shirt not have been copied in the meantime???
I suggest to think twice before posting such a thing here, good man!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
What I don't understand is how we're all locked into using this specific company to make the shirts, yet Kittlemeier was able to buy 3 metres of the fabric from this company and do with it whatever he pleases? He's not locked into having only them tailor it.
As a replica maker and not a "prop maker" (someone who actually are in the in the film industry and actually suplying props for film), I think the effort here is best it can be for the ultimate replica - nothing will come close to this. Forget about other copies of the shirt, I seriously doubt there will even be copies of the fabric out there - No fabric, No Shirt!
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Perhaps, we should get them to do our shirts for us, only bigger?
From what kittlemeier said, he got the fabric somewhere but not by the original maker. So, I would suggest, that these 3 meters have been a kind of sample, which can not be compared with an entire roll of 500 meters.
But that's speculations, as we may never know.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Even if you dont care about my initial point and you did replicate the material pattern I doubt you could replicate teh quality of this material.
Other than Kittlemeirs 3m we are fairly sure there is no more of this material available anywhere unless you get the manufacturer to print another 500m as we did ($$$$).
Last but by no measns least my grandfather was from Turkey so im effectivley part turkish and take great offense to SGG's social blunder (second time this has happened).
I am sure that they have taken note of the concerns expressed here and will take everyones best interest to heart and let us know how things stand.
After that you have the opportunity to deside if you want to proceed or not.
Ahhh, the voice of reason. Thankyou for that {[]
and people will buy it ..
and I agree it will not be as good as the ultimate replica which is trying to be produced in this topic. etc
but I bet it happens
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People are welcome to buy cheap rip off items, but they will be cheap rip off items. The majority of us here are not into crappy replicas.
My three meters were purchased from a fabric store in England, just like thousands of meters of the same fabric were prior to this venture. Hemming herself could have bought it from there, who knows? I don't understand how Eon, who has nothing to do with the fabric other than using it for this shirt, can say what can be done with it.
And I really despise how this thread has begun to divide our group instead of galvanizing it. This project was going to bring people together not split them apart. Our 'family' is too small and special to have a project like this cause a rift so let's stay on target with our words...
Me too, Mantis.
At the moment there seems to be a lot of speculation about what may happen. As said before, lets take a step back and a deep breath and wait for definate news.
Projects like this, especially undertaken by individuals or small groups, usually over-run and seldom run smooth. Lets not forget that the gentlemen running this project also have to earn a living as well as put in the hard work for this on our behalf. Let us back these men as best we can.
My apologies. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. I misunderstood what you meant.
It just seems that the whole project, which before the maker and fabric were found, was well on it's way to producing a great replica. Since the maker and fabric have been found, replica has become a bad word regarding this shirt.
This shirtmaker knows they have what we want, so they're charging as much as they can. Then they're tacking on extra cost for details that should be obvious. If it was a striped dress shirt they'd have it lined up. Why is this a problem?
I appreciate that you guys put out the money for the fabric, I just don't want you sitting on 90% of it because an unreasonable tailor priced everyone out.
Smaller scale? You don't suppose the knuckleheads that started CraigNotBond.com think that this is the 1:1 scale and that Craig is pictured life sized in this photo do you.