Do Bond and Vesper sleep together?

Napoleon Plural · December 2007

Yet more NP tomfoolery, yet there be method in it..

Yes, yes, I know they get it on in the health clinic and it rains and so on.

But don't they stay in the same room at the casino hotel? It's all discussed in the car. There's the 'funny' Doris Day Rock Hudson stuff about his tux. But at no point do we see them bedding down for the night or anything. Were they in separate rooms? You'd think there might be some acknowledgement of it at some point.

CR - the gift that keeps on giving

emtiem · December 2007

I think they have separate rooms with a connecting door, as I remember. And I don't think there's any suggestion of them getting it on while in the hotel- I think they still hate each other while there!

Unless Bond got really creepy after the shower scene...

Tee Hee · December 2007

Bond: "It appears we've very much in love, hence the shared suite."

Vesper: "But my family's strict Roman Catholic. So for appearance sake it'll be a two bedroom suite."

Vesper arranged for a two bedroom suite at the Hotel Splendide. I have no reason to believe that they slept together at any point in Montenegro.

They didn't first become intimate until after Bond was hospitalized. Remember, it isn't until Bond is in recuperation that Vesper tells him "he can have her here, there, anywhere he likes."

Loeffelholz · December 2007

Tee Hee wrote:

Bond: "It appears we've very much in love, hence the shared suite."

Vesper: "But my family's strict Roman Catholic. So for appearance sake it'll be a two bedroom suite."

Vesper arranged for a two bedroom suite at the Hotel Splendide. I have no reason to believe that they slept together at any point in Montenegro.

They didn't first become intimate until after Bond was hospitalized. Remember, it isn't until Bond is in recuperation that Vesper tells him "he can have her here, there, anywhere he likes."

I agree...

I don't think Bond and Vesper become intimate until the clinic, where 007---not unlike his need to try out the latest in Q implements!---seems anxious to see if little James and his two escorts are 'up for' the latest assignment :v

Fleming discussed this in the novel; it was a genuine concern for Our Hero...

RogueAgent · December 2007

Loeffelholz wrote:

Tee Hee wrote:

Bond: "It appears we've very much in love, hence the shared suite."

Vesper: "But my family's strict Roman Catholic. So for appearance sake it'll be a two bedroom suite."

Vesper arranged for a two bedroom suite at the Hotel Splendide. I have no reason to believe that they slept together at any point in Montenegro.

They didn't first become intimate until after Bond was hospitalized. Remember, it isn't until Bond is in recuperation that Vesper tells him "he can have her here, there, anywhere he likes."

I agree...

I don't think Bond and Vesper become intimate until the clinic, where 007---not unlike his need to try out the latest in Q implements!---seems anxious to see if little James and his two escorts are 'up for' the latest assignment :v

Fleming discussed this in the novel; it was a genuine concern for Our Hero...

I agree as well. However I remember thinking at the time of seeing this that he was pumped with some very fast-acting antibiotics to heal those buddies after the punishment that they took. He couldn't have jumped back in the saddle that fast I don't care who you are.

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Had to be Q- Branch pills.

Tee Hee · December 2007

RogueAgent wrote:

He couldn't have jumped back in the saddle that fast I don't care who you are. )

Yea, Bond's definitely got some

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Barbel · December 2007

Tee Hee wrote:

Smelting accident perhaps?

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SB_Diamond · December 2007

Thats a good one!!!

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I will also agree on the fact that they had two seperate rooms with a connecting door so they never slept together while in the hotel. Vesper was ****ed at James most of the time they were there any ways, so I don't think that she was ever really in the mood for that sort of thing to begin with.

Napoleon Plural · December 2007

Ah, well, to clarify, I never thought Bond and Vesper got it on in their hotel suite, but it does seem odd that they're bedding down in the same premises but there's no suggestive banter or anything, bearing in mind Bond is a hound... I put it down to Campbell being keen to rush through the casino scenes and get off to another action sequence.

Monique · December 2007

I don't think they slept together before the clinic.

What I found even more confusing was Solange and Bond. Their whole banter on the floor made it sound like they had just done it, but why would she put her dress back on right after and then head into the bedroom to take it off? She was still fully dressed, so how could they have already done it? That scene always baffles me. It's either poorly edited, or they never did finish the deed since Bond had to take off to the airport!

Napoleon Plural · December 2007

My understanding is that they (Solange and Bond) didn't do it, but got caught short by Bond's information on the phone. Maybe to save Bond from sleeping with a married woman, like in the Brosnan handbook (the producers don't like it much)...

highhopes · December 2007

Napoleon Plural wrote:

My understanding is that they (Solange and Bond) didn't do it, but got caught short by Bond's information on the phone. Maybe to save Bond from sleeping with a married woman, like in the Brosnan handbook (the producers don't like it much)...

{[] How ironic that my faith in humanity has been restored by one of the Unholy Three. I was beginning to fear that foreplay is so infrequent in the modern age age that it isn't instantly recognized as such.

Monique · December 2007

I'm all for foreplay...foreplay is great. I was just confused by their seemingly "post coital" conversation, when it didn't seem that way to me.

Tee Hee · December 2007

Monique wrote:

I'm all for foreplay...foreplay is great.

Monique, as the unofficial AJB pin-up girl, you know better than to say such things around us men!

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Willie Garvin · December 2007

Maybe the recently promised extended cut of Casino Royale(check out blueman's "Casino Royale:the Big Bad Edition" thread for more details) will answer this question once and for all.If nothing else, that frequently printed but never shown swimming sequence Vesper and Bond enjoyed might be among the restored scenes.

Still as has already been noted,in Fleming's novel, Bond didn't sleep with Vesper until after he'd recovered from the torture applied to him by Le Chiffre's people.Although the CR movie departs significantly from the book in some ways, the screenwriters did say that they were trying to retain certain elements of the book-and that,I suspect,includes 007's period of abstinence.

Monique · January 2008

Tee Hee wrote:

Monique, as the unofficial AJB pin-up girl, you know better than to say such things around us men! )

) Aww Tee Hee you flatter me. ;%

WG or anyone, where is that mentioned thread of blueman's about the Big Bad Edition of CR? I looked in the CR forum and couldn't find it!

Loeffelholz · January 2008

Here it is, Mo:

http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=29229

Loeffelholz · January 2008

CTrent49 wrote:

I don't think Bond and Vesper become intimate until the clinic, where 007---not unlike his need to try out the latest in Q implements!---seems anxious to see if little James and his two escorts are 'up for' the latest assignment.

I don't recall Bond being concerned over whether "little James" could get "it up" for the latest assignment - namely one Vesper Lynd. Now, Ian Fleming may have been concerned over such matters, but I don't think that Purvis, Wade or Haggis were.

In the CR novel it's plainly stated...and IMO in the film it's obviously implied in the abandon with which they get at it; admittedly, it helps to have read the book,

but even without the benefit of knowing the source material, it's staggeringly difficult to consider the possibility that there weren't concerns

Some things don't need to be spoon-fed to the audience. My congratulations to the writers for not being 'on the nose' about it 8-)

Monique · January 2008

Loeffelholz wrote:

Here it is, Mo:

http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=29229

Thanks Loeff! I was wondering when the release date was...apreciate it! I must have missed this thread the first time around!

7289 · January 2008

Prehaps they cut out a scene in which Bond worries about his "little itch ...down there", but I am not sure how the film could tastefully handle that and retain a PG rating.

Loeffelholz · January 2008

CTrent49 wrote:

In the CR novel it's plainly stated...and IMO in the film it's obviously implied in the abandon with which they get at it; admittedly, it helps to have read the book, but even without the benefit of knowing the source material, it's staggeringly difficult to consider the possibility that there weren't concerns . . .

I think that you're projecting your own views on the scene. Yes, Bond was concerned about his virility following his recovery in the novel. But I do not recall any "obvious" hint of this in the movie. Bond's enthusiasm seemed to be focused around his feelings for Vesper.

"Obvious" being the operative phrase, of course, most probably for male members of the audience---virtually all of whom probably 'projected' this view onto the scene---who were able to vividly imagine the pain of Bond's mistreatment. Therefore, it was completely unnecessary for the writers to shoe-horn an awkward, on-the-nose line of dialogue into the piece, to wit: "Vesper, I really need to prove to myself---and to you---that I'm still a man, because you know Le Chiffre beat my testicles up quite badly."

In fact, I would assert that the line, "Whatever's left of me...whatever I am...is yours" alludes to that very thing, coming as it does just before the hospital-room trashing scene

"Obvious"? Perhaps not, and thank God...but it does the job for me. Who says there's no room for subtlety in a Bond flick?

As I said previously, it's very difficult for me not to see it. Bond never tore up the room as a part of foreplay before---not even with Tracy, his wife-to-be. I think it's because he was anxious to confirm that something was going to follow the foreplay. Bond is a man who meets challenges head-on, and I think this works very well within that context.

7289 · January 2008

Loeffelholz,

Well put!

With all that passion, crashed medical equiptment and Vesper's "commando" wardrobe, just think of the consequences if Bond didn't rise the the ocassion!!!!

Who says CR'06 is not a TRADITIONAL Bond flick!!!!

i expect u2 die · January 2008

Monique wrote:

I don't think they slept together before the clinic.

What I found even more confusing was Solange and Bond. Their whole banter on the floor made it sound like they had just done it, but why would she put her dress back on right after and then head into the bedroom to take it off? She was still fully dressed, so how could they have already done it? That scene always baffles me. It's either poorly edited, or they never did finish the deed since Bond had to take off to the airport!

Oh I disagree - this is a superbly Bondian scene in my opinion.

It takes a cool man to seduce a woman like Solange. It takes an even cooler one to be able to turn down whats on a plate for him

Just my opinion - but I've always seen Bond's leaving Solange as both cool and professional. The mission comes before the girl.

Out of pure curiosity, I've always wondered how the shower scene would have ended. I can imagine Bond sitting there in silence, and then saying (Alan Partridge accent optional) "Erm... shall I turn this off? Yeah... better pop off to bed, busy day tomorrow! Yes?"

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Monique · January 2008

I didn't say it wasn't a good scene! And I wasn't talking about why he did or didn't, or if it was a Bondian type thing! I said it was unclear IF they did, because their dialogue said one thing but their actions suggested another. It was merely a confusing bit of editing in that scene. I'm talking in the technical sense, not plot sense.

Barry Nelson · January 2008

I agree with MO, the scene is confusing, in my mind they did not sleep together.

Napoleon Plural · January 2008

Monique wrote:

I didn't say it wasn't a good scene! And I wasn't talking about why he did or didn't, or if it was a Bondian type thing! I said it was unclear IF they did, because their dialogue said one thing but their actions suggested another. It was merely a confusing bit of editing in that scene. I'm talking in the technical sense, not plot sense.

It did seem a very lazy, post-coital bit of love-making.

Loeffelholz · January 2008

I personally don't believe Bond slept with Solange. They were just getting to it when Dimitrios called---and, as already said, the mission took precedent.

emtiem · January 2008

i expect u2 die wrote:

Out of pure curiosity, I've always wondered how the shower scene would have ended. I can imagine Bond sitting there in silence, and then saying (Alan Partridge accent optional) "Erm... shall I turn this off? Yeah... better pop off to bed, busy day tomorrow! Yes?"
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Good point! Probably just a swift chop to the neck and pop back next door- gets Bond out of most awkward social situations!

7289 · January 2008

Monique wrote:

I don't think they slept together before the clinic.

What I found even more confusing was Solange and Bond. Their whole banter on the floor made it sound like they had just done it, but why would she put her dress back on right after and then head into the bedroom to take it off? She was still fully dressed, so how could they have already done it? That scene always baffles me. It's either poorly edited, or they never did finish the deed since Bond had to take off to the airport!

In an interview with Martin Campbell and DC, Campbell said that this scene was supposed to be post-coital. Although it makes sense to note that both charecters appear to be fully dressed.

I don't want to speculate to much, but prehaps Solange was "going commando" ala Vesper and James had used his famous (but unseen) "little finger" technique.

SB_Diamond · January 2008

Loeffelholz wrote:

I personally don't believe Bond slept with Solange. They were just getting to it when Dimitrios called---and, as already said, the mission took precedent.

I agree, it seemed fairly obvious to me that they got back to the room after the car scene, Bond probably said something sly and they got to rolling about on the floor, about to get into it when the phone rings and duty calls. Remember Bond isn't all jaded by women just yet so he's not going to pull a Connery (sex first, info later) just yet. I think that bahavior starts after Vesper where he compensates for being used by her by using every woman after her and not allowing himself to fall in love again.

There is also the line after Bond asks Solange about the nature of her husband's work and she responds:

"A mystery I'm afraid...I'm also afraid you wil sleep with me to get to my husband."
(Bond) "How afraid?"
"Not enough to stop."

So they hadn't gotten around to it yet.

Do Bond and Vesper sleep together?

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