Amy Winehouse down to 70% lung capacity

Shatterhand67Shatterhand67 Safe HousePosts: 424MI6 Agent
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Here's an article that I just found on MSN.com:

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx/?news=319899&GT1=BUZZ1

According to Amy's father, she is down to 70% lung capacity due to smoking crack cocaine and cigarettes. Her doctors have told her that if she doesn't stop it will not just ruin her voice but it will kill her.

Sad story. Hopefully she can get things turned around. I can't help but recall what Cobain's mother said after his suicide, saying, "Now he's a member of that stupid club." No doubt referring to the talented stars that left the world too soon i.e. Jim Morrison, Janice Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, et al...

This is serious stuff.
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  • s96024s96024 Posts: 1,519MI6 Agent
    There is plenty of people more deserving of our pity. She doesn't deserve any in my opinion.
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    Bullcrap. Every one deserves symphathy, every one.
  • cmdr_bongcmdr_bong AustraliaPosts: 205MI6 Agent
    Bin Laden? Saddam? Hitler?

    Amy Winehouse will need more than anyone's sympathies. She need a good slap in the face, wake up, and leave that concrete-shoes of a husband.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    edited June 2008
    Comparing a drug addicted singer to some of the worst mass murderers in the newer history it a bit tacky to my taste.

    I don't like her music, but she's seriously sick and noone else gets harmed from her addiction.

    Therefore she deserves our best whishes and I am afraid, to get her healed will need much more than the mentioned slap. You can't get someone that ill "slapped-recovered".
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  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    Comparing a drug addicted singer to some of the worst mass murderers in the newer history it a bit tacky to my taste.

    I don't like her music, but she's seriously sick and noone else gets harmed from her addiction.

    Therefore she deserves our best whishes and I am afraid, to get her healed will need much more than the mentioned slap. You can't get someone that ill "slapped-recovered".
    Mega dittoes. Crack addiction is a terrible and very powerful affliction. She deserves something other then malice.
  • cmdr_bongcmdr_bong AustraliaPosts: 205MI6 Agent
    It was not my intention to offend with that statement. If I did I apologise. But there is only so far society can extend their sympathies. Beside what good is sympathy when it will do nothing to help her in her course? Whilst all the well-wishes and messages that she no doubt received on a daily basis is well-intentioned, it is highly unlikely they will persuade her from her present course. There comes a time (and in my opinion she has certainly reached that time) when a person has to take responsibility for her action and her life. There is only so much other people can do when the person themselves will not take the necessary next step. It is harsh, but it is life.
  • VirgilVirgil Posts: 99MI6 Agent
    Recently I read Kurt Cobain´s biography, so I imagine what she must be going through...She has my symphaty and best wishes for a promt and full recovery from her illness. She´s great, a very talented singer-songwriter, and I hope she can write/perform all the great music she has in her in years to come. If not this one, it´ll be the next Bond song, and she will nail it.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    I strongly disagree, that she's presently in the position to take responsibility for her life and her actions.

    That's the curese of any kind of addiction, even I agree, that she has to support a future therapie by herself in a later stage. But for the moment, she's so out of her shoes, that I sincerely hope, that someone will take control over her life and get her to somewhere, where she can recover in peace.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited June 2008
    I very much hope that she recovers. To have emphysema at such a young age is horrifying. :#

    BTW, for those of you who are sayiong that you have no sympathy for her, then why bother posting on this thread? :s You can think whatever you want, but if you indeed have no sympathy for her, don't you think the decent thing would be to NOT respond on this particular thread?! :s
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Shatterhand67Shatterhand67 Safe HousePosts: 424MI6 Agent
    Megadittos to Alex. I see you must listen to the E-I-B Network!

    I for one am not a fan of Amy's either but it is apparent that she does have a large following. Any time you see someone throw away their talent and more importantly; life, like she is doing it is a sad story to see unfold.

    :o
    "I musht be dreaming."
  • s96024s96024 Posts: 1,519MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:

    I don't like her music, but she's seriously sick and noone else gets harmed from her addiction.

    Drug addicts do affect lots of people. Not only do they affect family and friends, in a case like this they affect fans, People look upto her and I would guess young fans have tried drugs just because they see her doing it. Then there is society who not only have to put up with these people, in many cases involved in crime.If not directly, the money they spend on the drugs is used to fund other criminal activity. Then there is the costs involved in trying to treat these people and support them whether its benefits or care. So don't tell me it doesn't affect others. Difference is these people make the decision to take or not to take drugs, the rest of us don't have the choice whether we have to put up with them or not.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited June 2008
    s96024 wrote:
    Drug addicts do affect lots of people. Not only do they affect family and friends, in a case like this they affect fans, People look upto her and I would guess young fans have tried drugs just because they see her doing it. Then there is society who not only have to put up with these people, in many cases involved in crime.If not directly, the money they spend on the drugs is used to fund other criminal activity. Then there is the costs involved in trying to treat these people and support them whether its benefits or care. So don't tell me it doesn't affect others. Difference is these people make the decision to take or not to take drugs, the rest of us don't have the choice whether we have to put up with them or not.
    Oh, get off your high horse. If you don't like what she's doing (and in no way can you convince me young people take drugs because they see her doing it) then ignore her. Don't buy her music and don't respond to threads like this. :s

    You know, s96024, the fact that you would respond to a thread like this with nothing but malice, says much more about you than it does about Amy Whinehouse. 8-)
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,948MI6 Agent
    s96024 wrote:
    Difference is these people make the decision to take or not to take drugs, the rest of us don't have the choice whether we have to put up with them or not.

    That easy is it? You were there when she decided to get addicted, ruin her health and seriously jeopardise her career? 'Ooh yes please', she said: 'self-destruction- that's the one for me'.

    Might as well hate Freddie Mercury because he 'decided' to have unprotected sex.
  • TylerTyler Posts: 184MI6 Agent
    Who cares? we aren't gonna lose the cure for cancer here, just another white trash piece of crap! as for the comments about her addiction harms no-one? you guys obviously no nothing about the subject!
    Never fear the event
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    May I assume we all have the same view of that white trash Elvis Presley? :D
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    edited June 2008
    Tyler wrote:
    Who cares? we aren't gonna lose the cure for cancer here, just another white trash piece of crap! as for the comments about her addiction harms no-one? you guys obviously no nothing about the subject!

    My comment was meant in the way, that she does not commit crimes to finance her addiction and I am sure, that you "no" this, Tyler like the last time. :D
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    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited June 2008
    Tyler wrote:
    Who cares? we aren't gonna lose the cure for cancer here, just another white trash piece of crap! as for the comments about her addiction harms no-one? you guys obviously no nothing about the subject!
    Well, at least this 'white trash piece of crap' is enormously talented. :s Do you even have a talent? Oh, and it's know not no. 8-)

    You really come across as such a lovely person. 8-)
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Terrible news; it's a sad paradox that many talented people still have a void within them---and what they use as 'filler' often shortens their time on this planet.

    I hope she can pull out of this dreadful nose dive.
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  • TylerTyler Posts: 184MI6 Agent
    Yeah I do "know", it's called a typo. OK?

    She's at 70% lung capacity eh, but still good enough to lug those cigarettes/joints, snort that coke and down that cheap alcohol. You go girl! you're a role model for so many girls!
    Never fear the event
  • cmdr_bongcmdr_bong AustraliaPosts: 205MI6 Agent
    I understand that we live in a society and that help and assistance should always be provided. But our current climate is such that no one is willing to take responsibility for their action. I am not telling people to condemn her or forsake her. What I was trying to say is that the road to recovery starts with Amy Winehouse herself, and no one else. Have to quote Morpheus here in that we can only show her the door, she's the one who have to walk through it. I mean look at all these young celebrity addicts. They all get FORCED into rehabs by their management groups, publicists, and friends and families. They come out"clean" for a few weeks, then BOOM! They go right back to where they started. You can't tell me that they did not receive adequate supports and sympathies. If the person themselves does not want to recover, then there is no recoveries to be made. Plain and simple.

    Let's hope that this latest medical news she received will knock some sense into that hazy mind of her.
  • s96024s96024 Posts: 1,519MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    Tyler wrote:
    Who cares? we aren't gonna lose the cure for cancer here, just another white trash piece of crap! as for the comments about her addiction harms no-one? you guys obviously no nothing about the subject!

    My comment was meant in the way, that she does not commit crimes to finance her addiction and I am sure, that you "no" this, Tyler like the last time. :D

    She might not go out and mug people to feed her habit, like a poor druggie. But where do you think the money she spends on the drugs go. She is probably indirectly funding much worse crimes like people smuggling, murder e.t.c.

    As for your comments Dan Same. In the same way I don't have any sympathy or respect for people like this, you seem to have way too much sympathy. If Robert Mugabe stubbed his toe, you would probably feel sorry for him. This attitude is becoming the downfall of the UK and is why the country is such a mess. Some people just live in a fairyland.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Loeffelholz wrote:

    I hope she can pull out of this dreadful nose dive.

    Typed with a straight face, Loeffs! I'm impressed! :))
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited June 2008
    s96024 wrote:
    As for your comments Dan Same. In the same way I don't have any sympathy or respect for people like this, you seem to have way too much sympathy.
    I didn't realise that I had to check with you how much sympathy I should have. I do have alot of sympathy for Amy. I make no apologies for that. But again, if you don't have any sympathies or any respect for her, then stay away from this thread! :s
    s96024 wrote:
    If Robert Mugabe stubbed his toe, you would probably feel sorry for him.
    :)) Oh, I'm sorry. you were serious? Are you honestly comparing Amy Whinehouse to Robert Mugabe? And for that matter are you comparing drug addiction to stabbing one's toe? I would have more respect for your point of view if you didn't come up with ludicrous analogies like this. 8-)

    s96024 wrote:
    This attitude is becoming the downfall of the UK and is why the country is such a mess.
    So, according to you, the reason the UK is in such a mess (assuming it is even in a mess which is debatable) is because people have, wait for it, sympathy for musicians with drug addictions. :)) I suggest you do some research into the UK's 'problems' before you come out with statements like that. 8-)
    s96024 wrote:
    Some people just live in a fairyland.
    Well, considering that you're comparing her to Mugabe and that you seem to not understand that she's just a musician, not the devil, I would suggest it is you who is living in a fairyland. 8-)
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited June 2008
    Tyler wrote:
    Yeah I do "know", it's called a typo. OK?
    And she's no white trash piece of crap. OK?

    I find it interesting that you abused Amy Whinehouse, yet you are no civilised Shakespeare yourself. 8-)
    Tyler wrote:
    She's at 70% lung capacity eh, but still good enough to lug those cigarettes/joints, snort that coke and down that cheap alcohol.
    Well, obviously she's got a problem. That's why drug addiction is so horrifying; it is enormously difficult to stop even when your body is in a terrrribly unhealthy state.
    Tyler wrote:
    You go girl! you're a role model for so many girls!
    Give me a break. DO you really think that anybody, looking at her and knowing what she's been through, would take drugs? I personally doubt it.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • cmdr_bongcmdr_bong AustraliaPosts: 205MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    DO you really think that anybody, looking at her and knowing what she's been through, would take drugs? I personally doubt it.

    hmmm....then I suppose the rest of the drug-users out there has been living under a rock? Seeing that ANYONE who sees the effect of drugs on the body and on society will NEVER do drugs. Because they will be shocked and horrified. Hmmm somehow I doubt it would have the desired effect there. At least to those who are foolish enough to go down that path to begin with. Granted there are addicts out there that were forced down that path by social and economical problems, but you can't tell me that celebrities, sports-people, and those who have more money than they know what to do with, deserves the same sympathies as the less-privileged, especially when repeated attempts at support and assistance has been wasted, disregarded and even dare I say, spat at, by their repeated relapses and indifference?
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Tyler wrote:
    You go girl! you're a role model for so many girls!

    I'd imagine there are very few girls out there looking at Amy Winehouse and thinking, yep, that's how to live your life. If there is a bigger warning against taking drugs right now than Winehouse I'd like to see it. Her looks have gone, her health is deterioting and she's damaged her career. I just hope she pulls herself together before we end up with a Amy Winehouse biopic starring Keira Knightley.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited June 2008
    cmdr_bong wrote:
    hmmm....then I suppose the rest of the drug-users out there has been living under a rock? Seeing that ANYONE who sees the effect of drugs on the body and on society will NEVER do drugs. Because they will be shocked and horrified. Hmmm somehow I doubt it would have the desired effect there. At least to those who are foolish enough to go down that path to begin with.
    I'm not going to respond to your sarcasm except that to say that I stand by what I said. As JD said, I think that Amy Whinehouse is a massive warning against taking drugs. People take drugs forr all kinds of reasons, however I doubt that she is one of them.

    There are musicians who do, in a sense, glamourise drugs. But in no way do I believe that Amy Whinehouse is one of them. She's probably more effective than the warnings that are put on cigarette packets.
    cmdr_bong wrote:
    Granted there are addicts out there that were forced down that path by social and economical problems, but you can't tell me that celebrities, sports-people, and those who have more money than they know what to do with, deserves the same sympathies as the less-privileged, especially when repeated attempts at support and assistance has been wasted, disregarded and even dare I say, spat at, by their repeated relapses and indifference?
    I can. I have sympathy for any drug addict, regardless of thir income bracket or fame. Just because someone is wealthy or famous doesn't mean they don't have huge problems and I don't believe I have the right to judge them.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited June 2008
    John Drake wrote:
    I just hope she pulls herself together before we end up with a Amy Winehouse biopic starring Keira Knightley.
    I like Keira Knightley. :# :))
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Barry NelsonBarry Nelson ChicagoPosts: 1,508MI6 Agent
    I like Keira too and I agree with Alex everyone is deserving of sympathy. However, I do have a question, why is this thread under the QOS topic?
  • s96024s96024 Posts: 1,519MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    s96024 wrote:
    As for your comments Dan Same. In the same way I don't have any sympathy or respect for people like this, you seem to have way too much sympathy.
    I didn't realise that I had to check with you how much sympathy I should have. I do have alot of sympathy for Amy. I make no apologies for that. But again, if you don't have any sympathies or any respect for her, then stay away from this thread! :s
    s96024 wrote:
    If Robert Mugabe stubbed his toe, you would probably feel sorry for him.
    :)) Oh, I'm sorry. you were serious? Are you honestly comparing Amy Whinehouse to Robert Mugabe? And for that matter are you comparing drug addiction to stabbing one's toe? I would have more respect for your point of view if you didn't come up with ludicrous analogies like this. 8-)

    s96024 wrote:
    This attitude is becoming the downfall of the UK and is why the country is such a mess.
    So, according to you, the reason the UK is in such a mess (assuming it is even in a mess which is debatable) is because people have, wait for it, sympathy for musicians with drug addictions. :)) I suggest you do some research into the UK's 'problems' before you come out with statements like that. 8-)
    s96024 wrote:
    Some people just live in a fairyland.
    Well, considering that you're comparing her to Mugabe and that you seem to not understand that she's just a musician, not the devil, I would suggest it is you who is living in a fairyland. 8-)

    I didn't say you had to check with me. Just in the same way you have the freedom to express your sympathy for her, I have the right to give my opinion on how I feel she deserves none. Seems to me nobodys opinion is acceptable unless it is the same as yours.

    Again I didn't compare Mugabe and Winehouse, I compared your views on Amy's situation with the views I would guess you would have on Mugabe stubbing his toe.

    Again I didn't say drug addicts were the downfall of the country, I was referring to your nicey nicey attitude to everyone and everything.

    Finally I have never said she was the devil or anything of the sort. I just think she is a terrible role model.
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