My new PPK & DAF Piton Gun
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Hi everyone just to let you see the latest edition to my collection,
I FINALY have a real walther PPK in my collection.
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The Walther PPK featured in the above pictures, is from what I know, a real deactivated pistol. It features all the functions of the real weapon however a solid barrel had been fitted, it has a bullet ejector, when the slide has been armed and the trigger is pulled the fake brass rounds fly out of the bullet chamber. The gun has a spring loaded magazine, spring loaded slide and some brass imitation bullets. The pistol is heavy and made from real gun metal. The prop gun is showing signs of wear and age, which adds to its history, The silencer featured was made and fitted by myself, I threaded the solid gun barrel and manufactured a silencer attachment accordingly, allowing the silencer to be screwed in and out.
The pistol is the original Bond PPK model, but the silencer was made to replicate it's use in THUNDERBALL. I was given this gun by my good friend and fellow Bond collector, Mr. Colin Anderson from The Bo'ness Motor museum in Scotland as a Christmas gift, as I manufactured a screen accurate replica of Honey Riders Bikini on a display for show within the museum's James Bond themed collection and displays.
I will get some photos of the new bikini replica on my website soon...
From what I know the pistol was obtained many years ago in the late 60's / early 70's from an antique collection, which also had some screen used film props and military memorabilia. Amongst these items were bits of screen used articles from 'The Guns Of Navarone' & 'Where Eagles Dare' and some other items. I am not claiming this gun was screen used in any films, but it would be nice to think that it was used in some way on a film production. I know that film prop companies from the 50's to the present day hire uniforms, costumes and weapons out to numerous Film and TV productions and through some research I know that some weapons from the early Bond films were used in other film productions of the time. It would be outstanding if it turned out to be a real film used Bond prop. But for now it is a magnificent display piece in my collection.
Let me know your thoughts on the item ... and if anyone knows anything more about the prop gun please let me know..
hope everyone is having a fun time in the run up to Christmas ... thanks...
Michael...
EDIT: I hate to do this...but they are copyrighted images...sorry, links only - Sir Miles
I FINALY have a real walther PPK in my collection.
http://www.freewebs.com/scaramangasgoldengun/con31.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/scaramangasgoldengun/con32.jpg
The Walther PPK featured in the above pictures, is from what I know, a real deactivated pistol. It features all the functions of the real weapon however a solid barrel had been fitted, it has a bullet ejector, when the slide has been armed and the trigger is pulled the fake brass rounds fly out of the bullet chamber. The gun has a spring loaded magazine, spring loaded slide and some brass imitation bullets. The pistol is heavy and made from real gun metal. The prop gun is showing signs of wear and age, which adds to its history, The silencer featured was made and fitted by myself, I threaded the solid gun barrel and manufactured a silencer attachment accordingly, allowing the silencer to be screwed in and out.
The pistol is the original Bond PPK model, but the silencer was made to replicate it's use in THUNDERBALL. I was given this gun by my good friend and fellow Bond collector, Mr. Colin Anderson from The Bo'ness Motor museum in Scotland as a Christmas gift, as I manufactured a screen accurate replica of Honey Riders Bikini on a display for show within the museum's James Bond themed collection and displays.
I will get some photos of the new bikini replica on my website soon...
From what I know the pistol was obtained many years ago in the late 60's / early 70's from an antique collection, which also had some screen used film props and military memorabilia. Amongst these items were bits of screen used articles from 'The Guns Of Navarone' & 'Where Eagles Dare' and some other items. I am not claiming this gun was screen used in any films, but it would be nice to think that it was used in some way on a film production. I know that film prop companies from the 50's to the present day hire uniforms, costumes and weapons out to numerous Film and TV productions and through some research I know that some weapons from the early Bond films were used in other film productions of the time. It would be outstanding if it turned out to be a real film used Bond prop. But for now it is a magnificent display piece in my collection.
Let me know your thoughts on the item ... and if anyone knows anything more about the prop gun please let me know..
hope everyone is having a fun time in the run up to Christmas ... thanks...
Michael...
EDIT: I hate to do this...but they are copyrighted images...sorry, links only - Sir Miles
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Will look great with the rest :007)
Walther PPK is a German gun
The grip is not seen in the film either
Again, nice work:)
They were very well made at a time when realistic props were impossible to come by. I suspect that somewhere under the black paint you will find the Japenese RMI markings, but heck someone could have sanded them off.
I would field strip that piece, brush on some paint remover and after that clean it up with mineral spirits. Then give it a nice flat black finish.
As for that swastika and eagle, you could clean the grips and fill in that awful nazi insignia with epoxy then file it down. Finally, paint the grips brown to match the Thunderball PPK ....
Still a nice gift!
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Bought myself last week also a Walther PPK. 100% REAL from a respectable gun dealer who got it from an old German army/police stock. It looks like it has never been used. Nicely blued, brown grips. About the swastika on Michaels gun. Desmond Llewelyn used to carry a similar gun with swastika in his FRWL attaché case. (Ask ED to confirm.)
thanks to PPK OWNER and everyone else for pointing out to me the guns true History.. I will fix the information on my website according to what you have told me... I still love this replica PPK.. it just looks the part on display and is great when having a play around with it..
I did intend to restore the pistol to its former glory ... but I am going to leave it in its current condition.. as a tribute to the late great Desmond.... if I can pin point the gun reffered to which he carried in the FRWL attache case on publicity tours..
anyway I hope I can be forgiven for being a little over excited / happy about this replica ... which lead me to over sell it's provinence.. a bit ..
P.S. welcome, PPK OWNER very glad that you have decided to become a poster... great stuff... on behalf of all the members welcome and we will look forward to hearing your opinions and information on all matters Bond.. thanks again
also Kleynen, very nice PPK there .. great addition to your collection.. can it take a real silencer ? or would a different barrel have to be fitted like the air and blow back guns ? thanks
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I like your swastika gun. Ed met Desmond, so he can confirm if I am correct.
Care to share the information on these weapons?
The PPK's and other guns for the Bond films were also used in many productions including Indy's Last Crusade, Ultimate Force, Batman and Returns, Alien, Aliens and the list is endless for the early guns. The Sterlings used in OHMSS were converted into Stormtrooper blasters for the original Star Wars trilogy and the converted back.
External thread is the best for the PPK, the barrel does not need that much extra length, and a tight small thread is sufficient, but you will need a protector machined too if you go small.
...and that is the exact model PPK used in QOS {[]
in regards to PPK models whats the deal with the base of the magazines.... ? they change does this show the gun is an earlier model or later ... or does it not make a difference...
this PPK used by Dalton in 'LIcence to kill' has the same magazine butt / base sticking out of the handle of teh pistol like my replica mentioned at the start of the post .... nice and flat to the handle base
*****
where as this gun - screen used in Goldeneye by Brosnan.
has a chunky base to the magazine like 'Kleynen's' PPK and the model used in QoS which was pointed out
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Fleming mentions that the magazine extension should suit Bond's grip.In the film Dr. No the
Walther PP that stands in for the PPK has a flat floorplate,as does Roger Moore's PPK in FYEO.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Tecolote
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Not to get off topic here, but was the piton gun used in DAF something pre-existing or was it made from scratch by the props department? I've been trying to find that gun for years and haven't been successful.
I've also been searching for it for YEARS!!!!
I've contacted several "experts" in the field as well as collectors that solely collect nothing but flare guns....they all claim it's made by a prop department.
HOWEVER...I saw it...held it in my hands...cocked and dry-fired it. There is NO way this was a prop made by the prop guys. There is TOO much detail in the way it was made and its functionality.
In fact, there are markings on the barrel that identifies the maker. In fact, because of that information I was, luckily, able to obtain the exact same barrel. Unfortunetly, it was ONLY the barrel. I found the part offered by a war surplus company. They were not able to ID the gun it came from.
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If indeed you have ended up with the Desmond PPK, you might want to forget all that removing, painting and expoying I originally suggested! ;%
Congrats again!
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The screen prop wears a reproduction of the Party Leader grips. These PPK's (and nore often only the grip panels) were awarded by the Party for exceptional or outstanding service to the Party.
Many times, the PPK wearing the grips was presented by Adolph Hitler himself during an awards ceremony. Other times only the grips were awarded by a high ranking officer to be installed on the recipient's PPK.
It was a very high honor to receive one of these PPK's, whether from AH or anyone else.
Reproductions flooded the market about 20 years ago and are still available today. The collector has to be cautious when considering a purchase of a Party Leader PPK, as many times the grip panels are not original to the PPK or not even original at all.
While I did not advocate altering an original PPK of any vintage, I dislike seeing a swastika directly or indirectly associated with oo7.
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I purchased both back in the late 60's and my PPK looks EXACTLY like the one carried by Desmond.
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When Desmond let us examine it, I noticed that someone had placed one of the retaining pins in such a way as to render the gun unable to be cocked. I pointed it out to Steve and mentioned that if the particular pin was removed and re-inserted into its proper location that the "gun" would be properly operational. Steve promptly pulled out his Leatherman tool and pried out the pin. Desmond suddenly saw what he was doing and became a bit alarmed. I calmed him down and assured him that we were actually fixing the problem and showed him how the prop now functioned as it should. Desmond was quite pleased and surprised that we were able to do that and said "You should both be working at Q-Branch"
Now THAT was a compliment!!!!!!
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and shown at various exhibitions. The props are: The brass ammo tubes from the attache' case and the Bleeper both used in "From Russia with Love", the Piton gun and piton from "Diamonds Are Forever" and a replica PPK used by Roger Moore in "For Your Eyes Only"
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