Hi there everyone ... I had some trouble recently ... I bought a replica of the Browning 1910 that Bond shoots Dent with in Dr. No ... I intended to make a Mock silencer for it etc ... the gun I bought was a cigarette lighter full scale replica on a stand etc .. pulled back slide all in great shape.. a very nice piece... on the box it said 1910 lighter and a picture of it .....
WHAT HAPPENED - it has gotten lost in the post on its way to me and from what I have been told I wont be seeing it again... due to serious incompotance on the part of Royal Mail......
can anyone help me aquire another one or a replica of a briwning 1910 pistol etc ? it would be greatly appreciated ....
cheers everyone
Two things.
First: Suggest you link the image of Sean as it probably has copyright issues.
Secondly: Be careful what you ask for, I think you'll find that to sell, purchase, swap, giveaway etc of replicas is now illegal - unless they are brightly coloured (although mounting one as a cigarette lighter is a nice way around the law). The de-activated one is your best bet (although that one pictured looks a little past its best).
I know a little off topic, but I wanted to ask some of the more knowing members about this new UK replica law and to tell you a little tale of my own.
My missus has to go to her annual works managerial knees up and its Fancy Dress. So off we toddled down to the the local Fancy Dress emporium to choose a suitable outfit. She then informs me that it has to be someone of suitable factual historical importance. So the naughty teacher/nurse/policewoman..etc was out of the question!
After much perusal she decided to go as Bonnie, as in the other half of Clyde and go as a 1930's American gangster.
With the outfit all booked, we just needed to get her a toy Tommy Gun. No local toy shops were able to help, so I looked on-line and the only one I could find was coloured bright blue and not at all realistic. When I phoned the company they told me that this was due to the new regulations.
Anyway I bought it and it arrived in a huge cardboard box!
So is this correct guys, you can't even buy a toy gun anymore?
Thunderbird 2East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,817MI6 Agent
edited January 2009
I think a little clarification is urgently needed here! I found this online...
REPLICA FIREARMS
The following segment is quoted for this page of the Eastbourne Herald, dated Oct 15th, 2007:
A ban on the supply of 'realistic imitation firearms' was also introduced and due to the difficulty in defining such items, the Secretary of State made regulations specifying dimensions and colours that would be regarded as unrealistic — with an aim to provide businesses with a degree of certainty.
So, dealers should not sell any imitation gun which exceeds a height of 38mm and a length of 70mm, unless it is transparent or painted in the bright colours of orange, blue, yellow, green, pink or purple.
An imitation firearm whose principal colour is not one of those listed in the regulations is not necessarily illegal to supply, although it is more likely to be the case.
I also found this disclaimer on a site that makes models of firearms. Key relivent bit in bold.
Important Legal Information
You must be aged 18 or over to purchase any of the items on this website. If you are paying by cheque, cash or postal order, then you MUST include proof of age with the payment
The models on this website cannot chamber or fire ammunition. They are designed for display purposes only. The models are constructed from a material unsuitable for use in a firearm. Any attempt to use this model as a firearm will cause it to explode. Medieval Weaponry assumes no responsibility from either intentional or accidental misuse of the models.
Remember, NEVER CARRY ANY OF THE MODELS IN PUBLIC. Offences with replica weapons carry the same penalties as with real weapons.
This is Thunderbird 2, how can I be of assistance?
Well with all these laws, you folks in the UK must now be completely safe from "gun crime"!
I'm sure that makes all this inconvenience bearable!
I can see both sides of the coin here. If someone points a replica at you when you are a serving armed officer, do you wait for them to shoot before drawing down on your own weapon so you can confirm it's real? Or do you shoot them first and then get arrested for murder when it turns out to be some goofy kid with a capgun acting the hard man. A difficult choice. And not a pleasant situation to find yourself in. At least with this law in place, it should be known that carrying an replica is just as bad as carrying the real thing. More peace of mind for that officer faced with a difficult decision when dying is a major possibility or criminal prosecution and long term sentencing is the other.
Having been on both sides of this particular coin, I really don't see any advantage to putting SGG or any other collector in the "pokey" for owning a replica. Requiring oddball colors or orange inserts is useless too... John Dillinger broke out of jail with a wooden replica covered with boot polish!
I have found that idiots who present law officers with a mock firearm - anything from a squirt pistol to a pellet or blank firing piece truly deserve what happens to them, here its called "suicide by cop", just another human abberation that legislation cannot cure.
It's important to obey the law though, since you cannot win by being on it's wrong side.
Point taken, but with the banning of private ownership of pistols and the violent crime reduction bill, gun crime continues to climb. Also, I dont think it matters how realistic or otherwise the replica/bb gun etc, or what colour it is. We have had members of the public shot by police for carrying nothing more lethal than a chair leg in a plastic bag.Its a lot of spin from this pathetic government we're stuck with ( voted in by 22% of the UK's eligeable voters) that relies on sound-bites and feeble 'initiatives'. The real problem of stopping illegal weapons coming from mainland Europe is more challenging, so the government sidesteps it! Rant over.:s
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,535MI6 Agent
Having been on both sides of this particular coin, I really don't see any advantage to putting SGG or any other collector in the "pokey" for owning a replica. Requiring oddball colors or orange inserts is useless too... John Dillinger broke out of jail with a wooden replica covered with boot polish!
I have found that idiots who present law officers with a mock firearm - anything from a squirt pistol to a pellet or blank firing piece truly deserve what happens to them, here its called "suicide by cop", just another human abberation that legislation cannot cure.
I agree that it is a badly thought out law, but the laws for the police are different here and suicide by cop is different in the UK than in the States. Chances are the cop would be suspended from duty and then put on trial. whatever the result of that trial, his job would be under threat and long term suspensions or release would follow. That cop would very very rarley continue in the same role.
In short the law needs to be changed to protect the policeman looking down the barrel and give them more confidence that they are not also looking at redundancy and jail time. The knee jerk reaction of the Government to ban replicas is pointless as there are many thousands already in circulation. I can see the reasons for them doing it, even though it's obviously a stupid and ineffective move.
At least deactivated guns are still legal at this time (which again is dumb as they are obviously far more real, cos they are ) The law has affected businesses, collectors like us and other innocent owners and buyers. The criminals are unlikely to comply and it will be people like SGG who are innocently collecting and intend no harm whatsover who will be the ones up in court and facing fines. It annoys me beyond words as I've seen it happen already to Star Wars fans importing Han Solo blasters, and people in fancy dress. Be extra careful if buying these, the Government is going all out to make examples of anyone, be it criminal intent or innocent collecting.
I am with 7289 all the way on this issue... the laws are truly rediculous when it comes to replicas and model guns...
I can remember not so long ago .. very realistic guns were available from my local comic shop in Glasgow... and I know of numerous high street shops who still sell air guns , BB replicas and paintball guns to the general public... i remember seeing kids way below the legal age buying serious looking berettas and Colts... over the counter all be it BB toy guns but very realistic looking..
I agree with the fact that if you point a model gun , de activated , cap gun , bb gun, toy etc etc whatever the model ... at a police officer. you deserve what you get and I dont blame any officer of the law for taking action against such a person...
I myself own many of the Bond guns ... all harmless .. they sit in glass cases alongside many other Bond items.. and have never been out in public ... and never will...
I suggest that a law be brought in for collectors such as myself and many other like me on these forums and elsewere ... that you cound take part in a sort of personal test and an evaluation at / with your local police station and obtain a certificate .. so you are allowed to own .. replica guns if you can show beyond doubt that you are an honest and trustworthy collector.. and show that any weapons you have are display pieces ...
I think the reason De activated guns are still allowed is because they really do apply more to the serious collector... as most de activated guns sell for £200 and above and not many street thugs would pay that for an object .. just to brandish at the public... but still ludicrous..
another thing which drives me MAD is the fact that many shops... and again I could name at least 5 in the local area of Glasgow and some in England.. who still sell Samuri Swords.. knifes up to John Rambos requirements.. to people who come across as complete thugs , dressed in certain apparel and talking a certain way .. I THINK SOME OF YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I MEAN.. and they get sold over the counter knifes that look like they could skin a crocodile.. and its all well and good and it still goes on to this day.. again I have witness a few sales of this nature..
All I can say is if the law ever comes knocking on my door wanting my James Bond collectables.. the said items will do a vanishing trick very quickly ..... and make a dramatic re apearance ... soon after ...
I am seriously considering putting this ''Collectors law'' up for suggestion ... to the government .. that way honest and trustworthy collectors could have the enjoyment of there hobby and even work with the police and root out wrong doers and dangerous retailers and buyers..
please note everyone I have edited my first 2 posts to protect myself.. But all who have replied so far know what we are all talking about from here on in... Thanks again ...
I expected to be trashed for my "rant" above, so much thanks for the support!
It's a sticky issue, always likey to inspire a not so polite debate. So for my part, I hope that someday your UK laws get revised, that the USA does not try to go the same path and that someday we can all get together in person and hoist a brew or two to Ian Fleming, James Bond and their "acessories"!
not at all my good man .. it was not a rant.. it was a good view and opinion put accross well.. ALSO what you said about a Gun crime FREE.. UK... thats a laugh... Gun crime in the UK is more popular now that ever... and thats after all there so called ban and restrictions..
another thing that really TICKS me off...
spearguns, swords, knifes ,, hunting blades, cross bows, air rifles, air pistols
are all still legal .. and need i say it that a large number of air guns do look like real guns ...
and BB and airsoft are now banned... and imitation dummy guns ... non working solid guns are NOT ALLOWED ....
Lets forget about how something like an object looks for a second and lets talk about the power and deadly capabilities of the above...
EXAMPLE
a spear gun can go into a sharks body with compressed air... yet its still legal to own.... a powerfull gas air gun / rifle / pistol ... can kill an animal and a person if hit in the right place ... yet still very much legal to own...
YET
a harmless BB gun that would be lucky to fire a plastic BB pellet through a block of soft butter on a warm summers day ... IS A NO NO ... VERY ILLEGAL
am i the only one who sees this as absolutely Crazy
Also the star wars collectors... getting into hot water... that is rediculous also..
I cant remember the last time I saw Pincess Lea and Hans SOLO.... robbing a bank..
couldn't agree more, well put.. the authorities obviously find it easier to do things that way ... rooting out the actual individuals causing the problems is too much hard work for them... so they would rather prosocute an inocent and law abiding collector .. rather than actualy punishing the mindless ,, wastes of space employing objects of a certain brand in the streets.. and upon others.
I suggest that a law be brought in for collectors such as myself and many other like me on these forums and elsewere ... that you cound take part in a sort of personal test and an evaluation at / with your local police station and obtain a certificate .. so you are allowed to own .. replica guns if you can show beyond doubt that you are an honest and trustworthy collector.. and show that any weapons you have are display pieces ...
I think you have hit the nail on the head there Q. Its a great idea, and could be expanded to other types of weapon collecting which right now seem impossible. - I am thinking blaster rifles from Star Wars, and replica Bat'Leth swords and Dh'Tag knives from Star Trek.
But as you say, the problem is not the people who legitimately display pieces as part of a historical or media related collection, its the damned dangerous idiots who want a pistol to blow off the head of the rival gang leader, or are plotting to rob the local bank. - I would not want to be a police officer in this day and age for all the Peppermint tea in China.
I wonder how film productions (like Danjaq) and Historical houses that have wall mounted weapons (often antique) deal with this kind of thing? ?:)
This is Thunderbird 2, how can I be of assistance?
I suggest that a law be brought in for collectors such as myself and many other like me on these forums and elsewere ... that you cound take part in a sort of personal test and an evaluation at / with your local police station and obtain a certificate .. so you are allowed to own .. replica guns if you can show beyond doubt that you are an honest and trustworthy collector.. and show that any weapons you have are display pieces ...
I think you have hit the nail on the head there Q. Its a great idea, and could be expanded to other types of weapon collecting which right now seem impossible. - I am thinking blaster rifles from Star Wars, and replica Bat'Leth swords and Dh'Tag knives from Star Trek.
Not sure if I would go with a register. The reason being that they would then have all the names and addresses of all us law abiding persons and know where to come when they decide to ban those - just as they did with all the legal fire-arms owners.
As to BRIXMIS and the "chairleg" reference, I thought that it was a table leg, and from what I remember the bloke was making out that he did possess a gun in that plastic bag - more fool him.
I suggest that a law be brought in for collectors such as myself and many other like me on these forums and elsewere ... that you cound take part in a sort of personal test and an evaluation at / with your local police station and obtain a certificate .. so you are allowed to own .. replica guns if you can show beyond doubt that you are an honest and trustworthy collector.. and show that any weapons you have are display pieces ...
I think you have hit the nail on the head there Q. Its a great idea, and could be expanded to other types of weapon collecting which right now seem impossible. - I am thinking blaster rifles from Star Wars, and replica Bat'Leth swords and Dh'Tag knives from Star Trek.
Not sure if I would go with a register. The reason being that they would then have all the names and addresses of all us law abiding persons and know where to come when they decide to ban those - just as they did with all the legal fire-arms owners.
As to BRIXMIS and the "chairleg" reference, I thought that it was a table leg, and from what I remember the bloke was making out that he did possess a gun in that plastic bag - more fool him.
Mark, yep, you are right, it was a table leg, but I used the analogy to highlight that it made no difference what colour the 'weapon' was, if someone levels a flouro pink Glock at an armed Police Officer, they will be shot. Just highlighting a silly law that makes no difference to violent crime reduction. We could argue about police tactics, but its worth looking at U.S police , who are more used to seeing the routine use in firearms in crime, how they deal with these situations.
I have a lot more time and respect for the U.S. Police, I must say ... when you watch some of the crimes caught on camera and high speed chases they do a great job and you can see they risk there lives in the line of duty ....
watch a British version of crimes caught on camera and you see police in the UK.... and you can see what little authority they have ... against stupid little juvaniles and oxygen theifs and wastes of space... I supose its British Law ... I remember seeing about 40 police officers in a clip with about 20 police cars, finding it seriously difficult to stop 2 young teenagers in a stolen car going about 10 MPH around a sort of car park area and the police had the entire area blocked off.... it just looked pathetic... actualy began to remind me of a CARRY ON film or a sketch from THE BENNY HILL SHOW... you could almost hear the Benny Hill theme...
The American Police would have stoped them with One officer on foot with a Gun ... The UK Police are scared of scratching there cars.. where as the U.S. police have the ramming Bull Bars on there cruisers..
Its two completely different ball games ...
jumping back to the topic in Hand .... I have to agree it makes no difference the colour of a weapon ... I think if you point a dummy / toy / replica gun at a law officer or SWAT team member / Armed Response Unit etc ... no matter if its a bright pink or red gun ... the idea of pointing it to threaten.... you deserve shot .... the police should combat Knife crime in the same way if some one is coming at an officer with a knife combat that with a gun ... and just shoot them ... and you will see a dramatic drop in Knife crimes.. Its sad to say it but the way the world is getting the only way to combat violence is with violence.. but you have to go one step up ... and not let thugs and mind-less idiots run free and untouchable...
What you said about the register / legal ownership of Gun replicas.. I see what you mean in regards to my idea Robin of a Certificate ... of collectors ownership.... thats more than likely what they would do . they would enforce that law .. if it was to go ahead... just to get all honest owners to register there replicas safely ... so they could confiscate the replicas soon after... basicaly back stap the honest ones... and let the idiots run free. ..
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Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Two things.
First: Suggest you link the image of Sean as it probably has copyright issues.
Secondly: Be careful what you ask for, I think you'll find that to sell, purchase, swap, giveaway etc of replicas is now illegal - unless they are brightly coloured (although mounting one as a cigarette lighter is a nice way around the law). The de-activated one is your best bet (although that one pictured looks a little past its best).
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Not legal in any way. Hope the missing article does not end up at the local nick
My missus has to go to her annual works managerial knees up and its Fancy Dress. So off we toddled down to the the local Fancy Dress emporium to choose a suitable outfit. She then informs me that it has to be someone of suitable factual historical importance. So the naughty teacher/nurse/policewoman..etc was out of the question!
After much perusal she decided to go as Bonnie, as in the other half of Clyde and go as a 1930's American gangster.
With the outfit all booked, we just needed to get her a toy Tommy Gun. No local toy shops were able to help, so I looked on-line and the only one I could find was coloured bright blue and not at all realistic. When I phoned the company they told me that this was due to the new regulations.
Anyway I bought it and it arrived in a huge cardboard box!
So is this correct guys, you can't even buy a toy gun anymore?
REPLICA FIREARMS
The following segment is quoted for this page of the Eastbourne Herald, dated Oct 15th, 2007:
So, dealers should not sell any imitation gun which exceeds a height of 38mm and a length of 70mm, unless it is transparent or painted in the bright colours of orange, blue, yellow, green, pink or purple.
An imitation firearm whose principal colour is not one of those listed in the regulations is not necessarily illegal to supply, although it is more likely to be the case.
Weblink:
http://www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/news/Gun-laws-threat-to-replica.3377010.jp
I also found this disclaimer on a site that makes models of firearms. Key relivent bit in bold.
You must be aged 18 or over to purchase any of the items on this website. If you are paying by cheque, cash or postal order, then you MUST include proof of age with the payment
The models on this website cannot chamber or fire ammunition. They are designed for display purposes only. The models are constructed from a material unsuitable for use in a firearm. Any attempt to use this model as a firearm will cause it to explode. Medieval Weaponry assumes no responsibility from either intentional or accidental misuse of the models.
Remember, NEVER CARRY ANY OF THE MODELS IN PUBLIC. Offences with replica weapons carry the same penalties as with real weapons.
I'm sure that makes all this inconvenience bearable!
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
I can see both sides of the coin here. If someone points a replica at you when you are a serving armed officer, do you wait for them to shoot before drawing down on your own weapon so you can confirm it's real? Or do you shoot them first and then get arrested for murder when it turns out to be some goofy kid with a capgun acting the hard man. A difficult choice. And not a pleasant situation to find yourself in. At least with this law in place, it should be known that carrying an replica is just as bad as carrying the real thing. More peace of mind for that officer faced with a difficult decision when dying is a major possibility or criminal prosecution and long term sentencing is the other.
I have found that idiots who present law officers with a mock firearm - anything from a squirt pistol to a pellet or blank firing piece truly deserve what happens to them, here its called "suicide by cop", just another human abberation that legislation cannot cure.
It's important to obey the law though, since you cannot win by being on it's wrong side.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
I agree that it is a badly thought out law, but the laws for the police are different here and suicide by cop is different in the UK than in the States. Chances are the cop would be suspended from duty and then put on trial. whatever the result of that trial, his job would be under threat and long term suspensions or release would follow. That cop would very very rarley continue in the same role.
In short the law needs to be changed to protect the policeman looking down the barrel and give them more confidence that they are not also looking at redundancy and jail time. The knee jerk reaction of the Government to ban replicas is pointless as there are many thousands already in circulation. I can see the reasons for them doing it, even though it's obviously a stupid and ineffective move.
At least deactivated guns are still legal at this time (which again is dumb as they are obviously far more real, cos they are
I can remember not so long ago .. very realistic guns were available from my local comic shop in Glasgow... and I know of numerous high street shops who still sell air guns , BB replicas and paintball guns to the general public... i remember seeing kids way below the legal age buying serious looking berettas and Colts... over the counter all be it BB toy guns but very realistic looking..
I agree with the fact that if you point a model gun , de activated , cap gun , bb gun, toy etc etc whatever the model ... at a police officer. you deserve what you get and I dont blame any officer of the law for taking action against such a person...
I myself own many of the Bond guns ... all harmless .. they sit in glass cases alongside many other Bond items.. and have never been out in public ... and never will...
I suggest that a law be brought in for collectors such as myself and many other like me on these forums and elsewere ... that you cound take part in a sort of personal test and an evaluation at / with your local police station and obtain a certificate .. so you are allowed to own .. replica guns if you can show beyond doubt that you are an honest and trustworthy collector.. and show that any weapons you have are display pieces ...
I think the reason De activated guns are still allowed is because they really do apply more to the serious collector... as most de activated guns sell for £200 and above and not many street thugs would pay that for an object .. just to brandish at the public... but still ludicrous..
another thing which drives me MAD is the fact that many shops... and again I could name at least 5 in the local area of Glasgow and some in England.. who still sell Samuri Swords.. knifes up to John Rambos requirements.. to people who come across as complete thugs , dressed in certain apparel and talking a certain way .. I THINK SOME OF YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I MEAN.. and they get sold over the counter knifes that look like they could skin a crocodile.. and its all well and good and it still goes on to this day.. again I have witness a few sales of this nature..
All I can say is if the law ever comes knocking on my door wanting my James Bond collectables.. the said items will do a vanishing trick very quickly ..... and make a dramatic re apearance ... soon after ...
I am seriously considering putting this ''Collectors law'' up for suggestion ... to the government .. that way honest and trustworthy collectors could have the enjoyment of there hobby and even work with the police and root out wrong doers and dangerous retailers and buyers..
please note everyone I have edited my first 2 posts to protect myself.. But all who have replied so far know what we are all talking about from here on in... Thanks again ...
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It's a sticky issue, always likey to inspire a not so polite debate. So for my part, I hope that someday your UK laws get revised, that the USA does not try to go the same path and that someday we can all get together in person and hoist a brew or two to Ian Fleming, James Bond and their "acessories"!
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Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
another thing that really TICKS me off...
spearguns, swords, knifes ,, hunting blades, cross bows, air rifles, air pistols
are all still legal .. and need i say it that a large number of air guns do look like real guns ...
and BB and airsoft are now banned... and imitation dummy guns ... non working solid guns are NOT ALLOWED ....
Lets forget about how something like an object looks for a second and lets talk about the power and deadly capabilities of the above...
EXAMPLE
a spear gun can go into a sharks body with compressed air... yet its still legal to own.... a powerfull gas air gun / rifle / pistol ... can kill an animal and a person if hit in the right place ... yet still very much legal to own...
YET
a harmless BB gun that would be lucky to fire a plastic BB pellet through a block of soft butter on a warm summers day ... IS A NO NO ... VERY ILLEGAL
am i the only one who sees this as absolutely Crazy
Also the star wars collectors... getting into hot water... that is rediculous also..
I cant remember the last time I saw Pincess Lea and Hans SOLO.... robbing a bank..
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It is easier than placing the blame where it really lies, on the back of the person wielding the tool.
On the other hand,
I have an axe and some sharp knives at home and have kept a good eye on them for a couple of decades .... so far they have been behaving thmselves.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
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I think you have hit the nail on the head there Q. Its a great idea, and could be expanded to other types of weapon collecting which right now seem impossible. - I am thinking blaster rifles from Star Wars, and replica Bat'Leth swords and Dh'Tag knives from Star Trek.
But as you say, the problem is not the people who legitimately display pieces as part of a historical or media related collection, its the damned dangerous idiots who want a pistol to blow off the head of the rival gang leader, or are plotting to rob the local bank. - I would not want to be a police officer in this day and age for all the Peppermint tea in China.
I wonder how film productions (like Danjaq) and Historical houses that have wall mounted weapons (often antique) deal with this kind of thing? ?:)
Not sure if I would go with a register. The reason being that they would then have all the names and addresses of all us law abiding persons and know where to come when they decide to ban those - just as they did with all the legal fire-arms owners.
As to BRIXMIS and the "chairleg" reference, I thought that it was a table leg, and from what I remember the bloke was making out that he did possess a gun in that plastic bag - more fool him.
Mark, yep, you are right, it was a table leg, but I used the analogy to highlight that it made no difference what colour the 'weapon' was, if someone levels a flouro pink Glock at an armed Police Officer, they will be shot. Just highlighting a silly law that makes no difference to violent crime reduction. We could argue about police tactics, but its worth looking at U.S police , who are more used to seeing the routine use in firearms in crime, how they deal with these situations.
watch a British version of crimes caught on camera and you see police in the UK.... and you can see what little authority they have ... against stupid little juvaniles and oxygen theifs and wastes of space... I supose its British Law ... I remember seeing about 40 police officers in a clip with about 20 police cars, finding it seriously difficult to stop 2 young teenagers in a stolen car going about 10 MPH around a sort of car park area and the police had the entire area blocked off.... it just looked pathetic... actualy began to remind me of a CARRY ON film or a sketch from THE BENNY HILL SHOW... you could almost hear the Benny Hill theme...
The American Police would have stoped them with One officer on foot with a Gun ... The UK Police are scared of scratching there cars.. where as the U.S. police have the ramming Bull Bars on there cruisers..
Its two completely different ball games ...
jumping back to the topic in Hand .... I have to agree it makes no difference the colour of a weapon ... I think if you point a dummy / toy / replica gun at a law officer or SWAT team member / Armed Response Unit etc ... no matter if its a bright pink or red gun ... the idea of pointing it to threaten.... you deserve shot .... the police should combat Knife crime in the same way if some one is coming at an officer with a knife combat that with a gun ... and just shoot them ... and you will see a dramatic drop in Knife crimes.. Its sad to say it but the way the world is getting the only way to combat violence is with violence.. but you have to go one step up ... and not let thugs and mind-less idiots run free and untouchable...
What you said about the register / legal ownership of Gun replicas.. I see what you mean in regards to my idea Robin of a Certificate ... of collectors ownership.... thats more than likely what they would do . they would enforce that law .. if it was to go ahead... just to get all honest owners to register there replicas safely ... so they could confiscate the replicas soon after... basicaly back stap the honest ones... and let the idiots run free. ..
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