Lost Season 5

Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent
Finally, Lost returns. Seems like it's been forever. Season 5 is scheduled to return on January 21st with a three hour season premiere. The first hour will be a clip show then the next two hours will be new, back to back episodes. The show will air on Wednesdays at 9pm.

Anyone remember how season 4 ended?
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited January 2009
    SpectreIsland and I became Lost fans over the fall as we were finally able to catch the show from the beginning thanks to reruns on G4TV. Of course, once they moved it to 1:00am in the morning we had to switch over to watching it via streaming video from ABC.com, but still enjoyed it a lot. Really looking forward to seeing where the story goes and how it all finally gets resolved.

    As to how Season 4 ended...
    If I'm not mistaken, Ben convinced Jack that he had to get everyone back onto the island, including the body of Jeremy Bentham, who turned out to be John Locke.
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent
    Now that you mention it Tony, that does seem right.

    I do remember seeing
    Locke in a casket
    amongst many other things from a past, flash forward.
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  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,901Chief of Staff
    Ahhh, Lost is back. How I missed its blatant mindf___ery! ABC ran the first two episodes of the season back to back this evening, and I have to admit I found them disturbing. The constant jumps in time on the island have actually brought back a lot of the danger and uncertainty that marked the first season; the fact so many familiar faces are gone from the island (though not from the show) added to the sense of things being no longer comfortable and familiar.

    But there were the familiar touches: Sawyer is back in fine form, calling the doomed Neil "Frogurt" (only God knows why), and spouting out memorable lines like, "Shut it, Ginger, or you're next!" A dead castaway makes a surprise appearance, and there's a wonderful bit where Hurley is pretty well explaining everything that happened to the castaways since the plane crash--and it's obvious the producers had fun with how crazy it all sounds. And it is crazy. Ain't it grand?
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    SpectreIsland and I caught the episodes last night as well. The writers are really weaving a lot of subplots and characters that we thought we knew are starting to behave very strangely.

    Very entertaining, but I can't help but wonder if mainstream America will understand, much less embrace, the show's...
    increasing use of sci-fi staples such as time travel.

    Given my tastes I've always liked that aspect of the show but I wonder how it will fare ratings-wise if it gets pushed more to the forefront.
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent
    What a weird two shows. So now we have only the people on the island jumping through time. Where in time they jump nobody knows, not even them. But it looks like Fairaday can determine where they are in time. I also wonder why "Red" (can't remember her name) nose is bleeding? Could she be the only one going backwards in time, keeping her present adult form, but aging backwards, maybe the "Benjamin Button Phenomenon"?

    One last thing, how cool was the flaming arrow attack?
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited January 2009
    I think the character you're referring to is Charlotte Lewis.

    As to why her nose was bleeding, I'm pretty sure Desmond and one of the crewmembers of the freighter Kahana had some of the same symptoms in The Constant. In their case, I think it had something to do with their consciousness traveling thru time. The crewmember eventually died but Desmond was able to survive with Faraday's help by finding someone that existed in both time periods to use as an anchor (in his case, Penny).

    Its also interesting to note that Charlotte seemed to be suffering from memory loss (she told Faraday she couldn't remember her mother's name at one point) and if I recall correctly, Faraday had some of the same symptoms when we first met him, suggesting he's been tripping thru time as well.
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    I think the character you're referring to is Charlotte Lewis.


    Its also interesting to note that Charlotte seemed to be suffering from memory loss (she told Faraday she couldn't remember her mother's name at one point) and if I recall correctly, Faraday had some of the same symptoms when we first met him, suggesting he's been tripping thru time as well.


    Yup, that's her. I also remember her saying something about she hasn't had nosebleeds since she was a child. That's why I jokingly mentioned the Benjamin Button thing. But I also forgot about the past episodes of people with nosebleeds. It'll be interesting to see how things play out. One other thing I just remembered. I wonder how they'll kill Locke, and when it will happen. That is of course if Locke is really dead. When Ben was asked if Locke was dead, Ben avoided the question.
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  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    edited January 2009
    Loved it! Two brilliant episodes. And there were some chilling moments. Nice to see sinister Irish shop woman back in the game. And a cool cameo from Michelle Rodriguez. But nothing better happen to the redhead. For lovers of the flame American TV is doing us some real favours at the moment. You've got leading roles for red beauties in Lost, Mad Men and now 24. :)
  • ZeenaZeena Posts: 3MI6 Agent
    lucky u ppl

    in my country we still waiting 4 season 4 to begin
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent
    Well. Wednesdays show was interesting. We find out what year the remaining people are in. They're in 1954. We also get to meet a young Widmore (or is it Whitmore?) Anyway, Wednesdays show followed Desmond and his journey to find Faradays mother. He doesn't find Faradays mother, but we find out Mr. Widmore (Whitmore?) funded some of Faradays experiments at Oxford related to time travel. Desmond does find Widmore ( Whitmore? ) and Widmore ( ;) ) gives Desmond an address to find Faradays mother. She resides in Los Angeles. Any idea who Faradays mother might be?
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  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent
    Zeena wrote:
    lucky u ppl

    in my country we still waiting 4 season 4 to begin

    Welcome to AJB Zeena. We have a thread devoted to Season 4 of Lost. Feel free to scan through it. Beware though, there are spoilers in the thread. Here's the link the the thread:

    http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=30074

    Happy Reading!!
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited January 2009
    Mr Martini wrote:
    Any idea who Faradays mother might be?

    MINOR SPOILERS BELOW IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE EPISODE

    My money is on Mrs. Hawking, the woman who was seen at the end of last week's episode telling Ben they only had 70 hours to round everyone up. She also appeared in an earlier episode where Desmond travels back in time - she was the one who refused to sell him a wedding ring and told him that the history was set and could not be changed.

    Very entertaining episode that continued to use time travel as a way of possibly explaining certain events we've already seen such as why Richard Alpert goes to see Locke after he's born (the adult Locke told him to) and maybe even what was buried under the hatch that was causing all the electromagnetic interference (the hydrogen bomb which Faraday told Ellie to bury in concrete).

    Of course, little events like that, if they turn out to be true, would suggest that you can change the past...unless, the little changes were part of the normal flow of time and always meant to happen. I hate these time paradoxes. :s
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,901Chief of Staff
    Gord damn and blast my local cable company--once again, for no explicable reason, ABC wasn't on last Wednesday, forcing me yesterday to watch the episode on ABC's website. If you don't have a computer that has a billion gigs of memory you're in for some deep hurting--ABC has one of the worst streams imaginable! I suffered through the episode until about the last five minutes, when I had to be somewhere and when I just could no longer take the characters moving in slo mo, the lack of lip-synchronization, and the interruptions of the Fergie commercial--which took forever to download. What I had the patience to watch, though, was good--even if it didn't make sense that the Others would mistake a motley band of bearded, sweaty castaways for U.S. Army. Oh, well.
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  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Superb episode. A couple of chilling moments, but I demand they save the Redhead! I wonder if that girl who took Farraday into the jungle could be his mother? They seem to have a connection.
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    Another good episode last night, with the requisite twists and turns to the plot. Season 5 seems to have a much quicker pace to it, with crucial events coming to a head far more quickly than in past episodes - a far cry from Season 3 where it seemed everything took forever to play out. As to some highlights:
    - Sawyer's hilarious "THANK YOU GOD!!!", followed almost instantly by "I TAKE IT BACK!!!!!"

    - Hurley calling Jack from the lock up, surrounded by inmates, assuring him that everything's OK.

    - Ben being Ben. I suspected he was behind's Kate's dilemma all along.

    - Jin washing up on shore, and he runinng into a young Danielle and her cohorts. :o :o

    - And everybody is starting to get those worrisome nosebleeds.
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,901Chief of Staff
    I dunno--I was slightly underwhelmed by last night's episode. I think I just wasn't that interested in the Aaron storyline--how many soap operas have dealt with someone trying to take away somebody's baby?--and there was perhaps a bit too much of it. As for who was behind it all--BIIIIG surprise! 8-)

    (That said, there's a good cliffhanger after the person's identity is revealed.)

    Otherwise, I thought the episode was OK, if a bit too jungle-bound. I agree with Tony that Sawyer's exclamation was hilarious; and I think by far the best scene in the show was when Sawyer saw Kate delivering Claire's baby--the expressions on his face were emotional and very real.

    Ah, well, I can't complain too much--at least my cable company wasn't on the fritz last night!
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  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent
    Last nights show kept my interest. I had no idea who was behind the whole "let's take Kates baby away", until I saw the same lawyer approach a certain someone. As for the rest of the show, it seemed to just sit there. Nothing major happening, just the regular time travel. I also suspected the young lady was a young
    Rosseau (sp?)
    So with that revealation, that would put the island bound people around the year 1986(?) right now. Does anyone thing a young
    Ben
    was on the raft also?
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  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    I thought last night's ep was a bit dull. Apart from the surprise ending that is. But that usually means the next episode is a humdinger.
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,901Chief of Staff
    Now this is more like it--an absolute mind#%&* of an episode! I enjoyed the re-introduction of Jin and his adventures with a young and preggers Rousseau, coupled with the flash-forward to Sun's attempts to get revenge on Ben. What more could a guy want? A major(ish) character dies, the identity of Farrady's mum is revealed (I sorta knew that was coming), and once again Locke gets his skin pierced in a nasty way. Really, he's escaped death so many times it will be interesting to find out how he actually dies (if he really does die). More fun next week. . .!
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    That was a good episode, with Ben up to his usual old tricks of bending the truth to further his own agenda. I am still unconvinced that he has the same goals as everyone else and Christian's ominous statement to Locke about Ben sort of confirmed that for me.

    I found it interesting that the wheel turned for Locke with so little effort, while Ben had to struggle mightily back in Season 4.

    Oh, and I don't think
    John Drake will be a happy camper when he gets to the end of this one.
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent
    Not to bad of an episode. Sorry to see "Red" go, but that's the way it goes sometimes. This show has me so confused right now. How did Ben go back to the island to get Jins ring (maybe a future episode will tell us)? Locke swore he would tell everyone that Jin died. Once again the show brings up more questions. i have a feeling though in the 2 to 3 weeks a lot of questions will be answered.

    Oh, one more thing. If the time traveling continues and someone on the island runs into themselves, will that mess up the SpaceTime continuum?
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  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    Oh, and I don't think
    John Drake will be a happy camper when he gets to the end of this one.

    WWAAAAAAHHHHH!!! :'(

    Good ep though. I don't think the identity of Farraday's mother was much of a surprise. I'm sure she's the girl on the island who went with Farraday to defuse the bomb. But there was some seriously creepy stuff last night.
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,901Chief of Staff
    Another fun episode, doing what Lost does best--answering some questions and then raising a whole heck of a lot more! Basically, it tells the story of how the "Oceanic Six" (well, five really) managed to get back on a plane headed to the island, which was fine; unanswered is:

    *What happened to Aaron, and why has Kate made Jack swear to never ask her about it?

    *Who is the beautiful woman with Sayid, and what happened to his beard?

    *How did Ben's face get turned into hamburger?

    *What got all those who said they wouldn't go back to the island on to the flight?

    *Who's the Mid-East dude on the flight? (The actor played the terrorist cell leader in Traitor.)

    All in all, a good show. I also enjoyed the return of Frank Lupitas--clean-shaven and perhaps sober--and as always there are good lines in the episode. I particularly enjoyed Farraday's mum saying that it was time Jack stop thinking about how ridiculous everything is and just believe. Good advice for us all.

    And next week--we get to learn about Locke's death! Ooh, can't wait!
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    Hardyboy wrote:
    *How did Ben's face get turned into hamburger?

    You'll recall that in the Season 4 finale, Ben promised Widmore that he would kill Penny as retribution for the death of Alex. I have a feeling Ben's injuries are the result of his trying to carry out that promise. Desmond is one of my favorite characters in the show so I'll be curious to see how that whole subplot plays out.

    Also enjoyed seeing Jeff Fahey as Lapidus again - he's got a dry sense of humor and seems able to go with the flow no matter how crazy things get. He was one of my favorite new characters last year and I hope he sticks around.
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    Hardyboy wrote:
    *How did Ben's face get turned into hamburger?

    You'll recall that in the Season 4 finale, Ben promised Widmore that he would kill Penny as retribution for the death of Alex. I have a feeling Ben's injuries are the result of his trying to carry out that promise. Desmond is one of my favorite characters in the show so I'll be curious to see how that whole subplot plays out.

    Also enjoyed seeing Jeff Fahey as Lapidus again - he's got a dry sense of humor and seems able to go with the flow no matter how crazy things get. He was one of my favorite new characters last year and I hope he sticks around.

    "I guess where're not going to Guam." :)) :))

    As for Bens face, I think Tony is right. On another board I frequent someone came up with the same theory as Tony mentioned. I guess we'll see. I'm also curious as to who the person was that was sorry for Jacks loss. I wonder what happened to the plane the 5 were on? I know Ben doesn't care what happened to them, but this can't leave that question unanswered.
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  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,901Chief of Staff
    A rather low-key episode, mostly documenting Locke's failed attempts to get the "Oceanic 6" to return to the island. The real highlight in his odyssey was Locke's visit to Walt, who now looks old enough to have kids of his own! There were also other tantalizing bits, such as learning the name of the Middle-Eastern-looking guy--of all things, Caesar--and the revelation that Locke is in the employ of the not-so-evil Whitmore. For the most part, though, none of the big questions raised last week were answered--especially how Locke was raised from the dead! With that in mind. . .
    I just couldn't buy that (a) Locke would see himself as such a failure that he really would want to kill himself--c'mon, he's been through worse; why would he want to off himself just because he couldn't get the old gang together; and (b) Ben would be able to talk Locke out of suicide, especially mouthing the trite old "you're special, John" lines. That said, it's intriguing to wonder why hearing about the old bat would be enough to make Ben turn around and murder Locke.

    Complaints aside, it was an enjoyable enough episode. As always, I'm looking forward to next week!
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,303MI6 Agent
    edited February 2009
    Well HB, as far as Ben goes, personally I think...
    that Ben, as always, had his own agenda. Clearly he wanted to get back to the island and as soon as he found the missing piece - Mrs. Hawking - he offed Locke who was always a rival to him.

    I could very well be wrong but I never really bought into Ben being a misunderstood good guy and that little bit at the end just cemented that. Given last night's events, and his continued scheming with Arron, I'm also convinced it was Ben who killed Sayid's wife Nadia.

    The thing that bugged me the most about last night's episode - probably the weakest of Season 5 so far - was Locke's continued gullibility when it came to believing Ben. After all Ben had put him through, and after Christian himself had basically warned Locke that listening to Ben would get him nowhere, you'd think Locke would have had better sense than to spill his guts out like that.

    The little twist with Widmore was also interesting. While I wouldn't go so far as to call him one of the good guys just yet, he is shaping up more and more to be at worst the lesser of two evils.

    As always, I can't wait to see where all this goes.
  • SpectreIslandSpectreIsland spectreislandPosts: 274MI6 Agent
    I for one was happy to take a breather from all the time travel stuff which takes so much concentration to follow, especially after a long, tiring day at work which saps all your mental strength.
    I think it was good timing to have a character story to break up all the action and time events that have been coming at us at warp speed.
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Good episode. I guess Ben is the bad guy after all.
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,703MI6 Agent
    John Drake wrote:
    Good episode. I guess Ben is the bad guy after all.


    I don't know. He's trying to save the people on the island to. Ben knew John had to die to get the people back to the island. Ben killed John, but John came back to life on the island, so is John really dead? I guess we'll find out in time.
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