ru happy with the acting of blofeld?

blofeld#1blofeld#1 Posts: 118MI6 Agent
State your case who u think acted blofeld better. and ru happy with ones performance and not with others. Post your top 3.

1 . Telly Savalas
2 . Donald Pleasence
3 . Charles Gray

Comments

  • thenoisydrumthenoisydrum Posts: 84MI6 Agent
    I've always thought that Pleasence was dreadful. The only good piece of acting he did was the legendary introduction that everyone knows. After that he is awful in my view. He neither looks or sounds terrifying. Take for example is darlik impersonation of "GOODBYE MR BOND!". Then there is the way that he get's driven off in that monorail, he looks like a freaking dummy after he drops his gun. Just awful in my opinion. A real let down compared to it's predecessors in my view (the whole film that is)
    I thought Telly gave it a lot more depth and did a very good job and above all I have always like him in OHMSS.
    I always loved Gray although I can now look back and see it was a change of direction compared to his predecessors and see that he was a very controversial choice to many fans. He did however suit the film and I think he did a brilliant job so yes I still rate him.
    I can't put them in order in isolation because they are relevant to the film and so many other factors but however I did rate them all, Pleasence would be at the bottom every time!
  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    Blofeld of the film incarnation was rubbish. Savalas did the best job of it - Donald Pleasance was the worst, and Charles Gray didn't make the switch as an actor from good to bad as well as Joe Don Baker did from bad to good.
    Blofeld of literature incarnation was brilliant.
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  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    I've never been really happy with any incarnation of Blofeld "with a head". I honestly only enjoyed Eric Pohlmann.
  • fortitudefortitude Posts: 3MI6 Agent
    All the blofelds were so different, they should have made him the same dude. I believe gray was the best actor but pleasence had the best style, he seemed more diabolical and intimidating :007)
  • Golrush007Golrush007 South AfricaPosts: 3,421Quartermasters
    1. Anthony Dawson/Eric Pohlmann - Blofeld had more menace when his face was never seen. Pohlmann's voice was very menacing and gave the character a harder edge than the campier incarnations.

    2. Telly Savalas - the best of the Blofelds who are seen, Savalas has an oily sort of charm, charisma and genuine menace.

    3. Donald Pleasence - makes the list by default, because Charles Grey's Blofeld is horrible. Pleasence looks great as Blofeld, but the way he played the character was a bit off. As mentioned before, his intro is good though.
  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Golrush007 wrote:
    1. Anthony Dawson/Eric Pohlmann - Blofeld had more menace when his face was never seen. Pohlmann's voice was very menacing and gave the character a harder edge than the campier incarnations.

    During those breif moments in From Russia With Love and Thunderball, what I admired about Dawson/Pohlmann Blofeld was his great intellect. Listen to his conversation in From Russia With Love, he is forever questioning and skeptical of the plan to get the Lektor. Then in Thunderball, one his own underlings try to outsmart him by embezzling money from a recent criminal enterprise . As I recall, I think it was drug dealing and the henchman said that prices were down. Blofeld anticipated that factor and he knew which one was guilty of embezzlement, the henchman had a partner. Blofeld killed his partner because he knew him, he is aware of the people he employed. These illustrations show that Blofeld is the leader of SPECTRE because he is smart and can't be out-smarted.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    That's a good point, Rick.

    The only one I'm uneasy with is Savalas, because he is Kojak to most of us and sounds a bit like Phil Silvers as Sgt Bilko. Pleasance worked for me - a 'scarred asexual monster' as one critic put it, but of course Savalas is charming and a skirt chaser... in a way I suppose having him played by different types helped keep the movies fresh and made Blofeld into an even more diabolical, unpredictable nemesis, a sort of Keyser Soze.
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  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Savalas certaintly was not a great Blofeld however he was a pretty solid villian. He was socially refined but rough around the edges in the vein of Largo.
  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    During those breif moments in From Russia With Love and Thunderball, what I admired about Dawson/Pohlmann Blofeld was his great intellect. Listen to his conversation in From Russia With Love, he is forever questioning and skeptical of the plan to get the Lektor. Then in Thunderball, one his own underlings try to outsmart him by embezzling money from a recent criminal enterprise . As I recall, I think it was drug dealing and the henchman said that prices were down. Blofeld anticipated that factor and he knew which one was guilty of embezzlement, the henchman had a partner. Blofeld killed his partner because he knew him, he is aware of the people he employed. These illustrations show that Blofeld is the leader of SPECTRE because he is smart and can't be out-smarted.
    Excellent point. Not really anything to to with the acting, but you're right that the writing for the unseen Blofeld was very good and established him as someone who commanded his organization because of his brains and his ruthlessness. (BTW, it was Joseph Wiseman, not Eric Pohlmann, who voiced Blofeld in TB.)

    In YOLT, all that was gone, and we were left with a spoiled child who made everyone kowtow because he yelled really loudly. I liked the OHMSS portrayal because I felt we were back to the diabolical genius -- after all, that was pretty sophisticated stuff he was cooking up in that lab. Gray's DAF portrayal is perfect for the film but can't really be compared to anything else because, like the film itself, it's a complete one-off.
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  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    During those breif moments in From Russia With Love and Thunderball, what I admired about Dawson/Pohlmann Blofeld was his great intellect. Listen to his conversation in From Russia With Love, he is forever questioning and skeptical of the plan to get the Lektor. Then in Thunderball, one his own underlings try to outsmart him by embezzling money from a recent criminal enterprise . As I recall, I think it was drug dealing and the henchman said that prices were down. Blofeld anticipated that factor and he knew which one was guilty of embezzlement, the henchman had a partner. Blofeld killed his partner because he knew him, he is aware of the people he employed. These illustrations show that Blofeld is the leader of SPECTRE because he is smart and can't be out-smarted.
    Excellent point. Not really anything to to with the acting, but you're right that the writing for the unseen Blofeld was very good and established him as someone who commanded his organization because of his brains and his ruthlessness. (BTW, it was Joseph Wiseman, not Eric Pohlmann, who voiced Blofeld in TB.)

    In YOLT, all that was gone, and we were left with a spoiled child who made everyone kowtow because he yelled really loudly. I liked the OHMSS portrayal because I felt we were back to the diabolical genius -- after all, that was pretty sophisticated stuff he was cooking up in that lab. Gray's DAF portrayal is perfect for the film but can't really be compared to anything else because, like the film itself, it's a complete one-off.

    Actually Pohlmann is credited as Blofeld in both films on IMDB. I know it's a dubious source but they do sound simular in both films.
  • dr. evan-gelistdr. evan-gelist SheffieldPosts: 399MI6 Agent
    blofeld is now out of sinc with the other bond villains. id welcome him back if he was played by better bald actors such as ben kingsley, orpatrick stewart. mind u scrap stewart..... i couldnt do with listening to his shakespearian screams.....
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  • blofeld#1blofeld#1 Posts: 118MI6 Agent
    I was intending the actors who we got to see there faces , but otherwise of course Dawson/ pahlmann were definetly #1. Then otherwise I don't like any of the other actors portraying Blofeld .
  • PPK 7.65mmPPK 7.65mm Saratoga Springs NY USAPosts: 1,253MI6 Agent
    I agree with the secret agent that after FRWL and TB Bolfeld got away too much from how Fleming had written him.

    I liked Savalas as Blofeld all right, thought at times I feel like OHMSS would have worked better if a European actor was cast in the part rather than an American. Also I were in Cubby's shoes back in the day I would have had the writers of YOLT develop Blofled more and I would have DAF get rid of the campy humor, like putting him drag.
  • HoneyRyder'sGirlfriendHoneyRyder'sGirlfriend Dolphin Country, USAPosts: 17MI6 Agent
    1) Donald Pleasance

    2) Telly Savalas

    3) Max Von Sydow

    That's my top three, though, to me Pleasance IS Blofeld and should've been brought back in the part.
  • down2000down2000 Santa Monica, CAPosts: 75MI6 Agent
    I think John Hollis from FYEO was better than Charles Gray!

    1. Savalas
    2. Pleasance
  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 3,599MI6 Agent
    The problem with Pleasance is his voice is too high. I know we should take each film on its merits, but when you have a recurring figure, there should be something the audience can latch onto.
    The "unseen" Blofeld's had quite low, urband tones (slightly distorted in TB if I ecall) which gave them an air of menace.

    In YOLT although at times Pleasance is effective, when he's required to do more than speak (i.e shout, order, scream) he sounds like an annoying schoolgirl / boy who isn't getting his way; the script isn't at fault because the lines are ok, it's just Pleasance can't deliver them.

    Telly Savalas, with his deep voice, comes across much better in this respect. He is also a very active Blofeld. One can't imagine Connery and Pleasance engaging in fisticuffs like Lazenby and Savalas. As for the Kojak thing, well, that was after OHMSS, Savalas had made a good name for himslef playing villains (Birdman of Alcatraz, The Dirty Dozen, The Greatest Story Ever Told, McKennas Gold) so this was great casting in 1969. If OHMSS had been made post-Kojak I think I might feel differently. I've seen a few repeats on UK Gold and Kojak's a pretty good cop show. Savalas is excellent in it, didn't he win an Emmy?

    As for Charles Gray... hmmmhmmm he's tooooo urbane, rather like the cat he strokes in almost every scene. He's got the best lines of any Blofeld but they are all sophisticated jokes and the doubles & voice thingumajiggy is just silly.

    Max Von Sydow (who was also in The Greatest Story Ever Told) is a good Blofeld, sadly not really given enough to do in NSNA, I alwasy wished he'd committed suicide at the end, just to kill off SPECTRE at the end of that movie.

    Incidently, given that TSWLM was originally supposed to feature SPECTRE (they are mentioned in the book) Curt Jurgens makes a pretty good fist of it as Stromberg, and would have done no worse as Blofeld in place of Pleasance or Gray.

    For me it's Telly Savalas all the way.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I think Telly Savalas made an excellent Blofeld. Just the right combination of intelligence, charm and menance. I think he would have provided a great counterpart to Connery's Bond, who had the same winning mix of personality traits. Pleasance and Gray were both busts as far as I'm concerned, although I think Gray could have pulled it off if DAF had a better script and a less cartoonish air about it.
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  • TobiasTobias Chelmsford UKPosts: 115MI6 Agent
    I liked Telly Savalas the best he did a lot more like chasing after bond but l think OHMSS is more of a European james bond film.Charles Gray was ok the start of DAF was good but went down hill after that.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Well here's a thought, maybe when dubbed into continental languages both Pleasance and Savalas sounded better? After all, the main flaw with Savalas to me is that he sounds American, stripping the villain of his mystery. But if he was dubbed into Eastern European, he could sound great. He always looked the part, to me.
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  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    Well here's a thought, maybe when dubbed into continental languages both Pleasance and Savalas sounded better? After all, the main flaw with Savalas to me is that he sounds American, stripping the villain of his mystery. But if he was dubbed into Eastern European, he could sound great. He always looked the part, to me.
    Ugh, no thanks. Dubbing Telly would be like stripping superman's powers.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    But surely you agree Alex that OHMSS should be re-edited so that Blofeld is seen in this guise...

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  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    :)) With all due honestly Nap, there are certain actors you should never dub. The Christopher Lees, Sean Connerys, and especially the who loves you babies. His voice is so identifiable and characteristic, I'd hate to see it changed in any way.

    Oh, and to answer the original question, combining the talents of Pohlman and Dawson like a Prowse and Earl Jones, make for more shadows and lights then a venetian blind. Telly would be second.

    ru hapee? :)
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Okay okay! All I'm saying is that Telly would have been dubbed for continental audiences. So in my view, bearing in mind his voice is the only sticking point as Blofeld, I'd be interested in the alternative. Then again, it's odd, because most actors have the same guy doing them from the start. So maybe Pleasance's Blofeld got stuck with a snivelling loser type voice abroad, because the actor who have had the same guy dubbing him.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
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    "Sir Hilary Bray! So kind of you to drop in at this hour!"

    - OHMSS, the uncut version.
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