ICE Walther DAD prop / Displays HELP ?

scaramangasgoldengun · July 2009

Hi there everyone ..

i recently aquired .... 2 items... which i would like some advise on .. as to who made them or where they came from etc ... and any info on them would be great ....

WALTHER P99 Ice DISPLAY

This item consists of an walther p99 cast in clear resin .. and features lightly frosted effect .. to make it look like an ice sculpture.. exact to the one seen in the trailers for Die Another Day.its a fairly nice item .. its mounted on a clear perspex backing with a clear perspex display box all around.. the oval engraved plaque reads.. ''ice walther p99 to celebrate 40 years of james bond'' and features the official OO7 logo. the back of the display is wood with a sparkling ice glitter effect.. looks nice on display .. very DIE ANOTEHR DAY .

the Second item is ..

ICE PALACE Segmant from DIE ANOTEHR DAY ..

the same style of display as the walther. it features.. a chiny chrome effect plate engraved / etched in black .. '' original segmant of ice from the ice palace in Die Another DAY'' and holds a segmant of teh ice palace on a little perspex L shelving .. and features the official OO7 logo above.. the silver chrome display plate it mounted to a black wooden backing with little chrome tubing spacers between. again a very nice item.. and I was asured that the segment of the ice palace was genuine...

i paid next to nothing for both of these items... so i am not fussed about there value.. they look fantastic on display ..

but any info regarding them would be cool .. if anyone knows anaything about them .. where they came from who made them .. etc

Cheers ...... Michael .........The QUARTERMASTER

danjaq_0ff · July 2009

scaramangasgoldengun wrote:

Hi there everyone ..

i recently aquired .... 2 items... which i would like some advise on .. as to who made them or where they came from etc ... and any info on them would be great ....

WALTHER P99 Ice DISPLAY

This item consists of an walther p99 cast in clear resin .. and features lightly frosted effect .. to make it look like an ice sculpture.. exact to the one seen in the trailers for Die Another Day.its a fairly nice item .. its mounted on a clear perspex backing with a clear perspex display box all around.. the oval engraved plaque reads.. ''ice walther p99 to celebrate 40 years of james bond'' and features the official OO7 logo. the back of the display is wood with a sparkling ice glitter effect.. looks nice on display .. very DIE ANOTEHR DAY .

the Second item is ..

ICE PALACE Segmant from DIE ANOTEHR DAY ..

the same style of display as the walther. it features.. a chiny chrome effect plate engraved / etched in black .. '' original segmant of ice from the ice palace in Die Another DAY'' and holds a segmant of teh ice palace on a little perspex L shelving .. and features the official OO7 logo above.. the silver chrome display plate it mounted to a black wooden backing with little chrome tubing spacers between. again a very nice item.. and I was asured that the segment of the ice palace was genuine...

i paid next to nothing for both of these items... so i am not fussed about there value.. they look fantastic on display ..

but any info regarding them would be cool .. if anyone knows anaything about them .. where they came from who made them .. etc

Cheers ...... Michael .........The QUARTERMASTER

I would say both are fake, as if they were original props that EON had they would have the hologram marking on them, if not, they are either stolen or fake. with out looking id say it was made after the films release , the ice palace could be genuine as it was distroyed after filming so someone could have stolen some bits out of the skip, if they have 007 markings on them like you say, this would be a licencing infringement, post pics at your own risk lol.

The Bond Experience · July 2009

The first item, I believe, was a production gift given out afyer the filming but I don't knowmjcuh more than that. A few hit Ebay around the same time and fetched a nice bit of coin. Not sure about the ice palace set but I don't see why this would be out of the question that its legit.

Did they come from the original source?

danjaq_0ff · July 2009

if the P99 is original then it would have been cast by Baptys as they had the contract back then, so it must have a serial number on it. and EON never produced any of these, might have been what the sellers story was but un true.

As too the Ice Palace see above, it was destroyed and skipped, any parts taken are classed as stolen.

minigeff · July 2009

think danjaq's right on this one. having worked on DAD, i've never known of any pieces of ice palace being sold or given as gifts. the ice palace itself was made from many different materials, depending on what area the piece came from it could be a lump of plaster or a clear piece of plastic.

the trouble with this kind of thing is that the processes and materials involved are available for anyone to buy. for instance, i have an original champagne flute from DAD in the ice effect, and right next to it is one i made for my wife, and its nearly identical.

the same kinda thing can be applied to parts of the ice palace.

in short, this kind of item can be very easily faked, and if you haven't seen the original up front, you're very unlikely to know if its original or reproduction. my guess is that mick's items are fake, with the p99 being cast off a good airsoft copy.

oh and binned, skipped, thrown out, whichever way you lable it, items taken without prior permission from EoN is theft, so if mick's items are real original set pieces and casts, they'd be classed as stolen goods.

Asp9mm · July 2009

These were made by a fan in large numbers when DAD was released. They were molded on the cap gun P99 and cast in buish resin. He made quite a few and at one time they were selling for £200. He originally sold them for £75 on Ebay. A few different cases were made during the run, one with glitter backing, one with gunbarrel backing and a few others I can't remember.

Nice items, but fan made. Sounds like you have one of the first batches made with the glitter backing.

minigeff · July 2009

be interesting to know who the guy was, any clues asp9mm?

scaramangasgoldengun · July 2009

well .. at least i can rest easy .. not stolen items then ....

thanks Asp9mm ... Dodged an Ice bullet there

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they look pretty good on display ..

but i have to admit while giving them a bit of a clean up etc ..
i could tell they are fan made item's .. but very good ones..
they do look very official.. and cool..

i am happy with them ... I paid £21 for the ice walther .. and i was given the Ice palace segment... for nothing from Colin at the Bo'ness museum as part of a wee prop swap deal... so nice pieces aquired for next to nothing...

i am fairly confident that the chunks of the ice palace are genuine.. colin has a few other of these displayed around the musum .. in the same style of display boxes and case.. if you go to my Bond'ness section on my website i am sure there are photos of them ..

he also has in the same style of display .. the spikes from the Aston MARTIN vanquish's tyres from DAD.. with a model of the car in the case.. made by the same fan no doubt... another nice item... i dont realy care if there fake items or not.. look cool on my wall ..

i will show some photos of these items on my website .. once i have finished re vamping it ..

thanks everyone..

from what i know .. these items were made by a guy who worked on the DAD set.. however i also know there was a serious amount of behind the scenes fan extras.. who worked voluntary on the film .. so segmants of the ice palace could have been taken.. by any number of fans who were there after filming.. but for legal reasns .. i will declate the ice palace segment as a fake item.. if thats ok with everyone .. as i am only guess as to its provinance

minigeff · July 2009

"however i also know there was a serious amount of behind the scenes fan extras.. who worked voluntary on the film .. "

wish i'd have known about this scheme, woulda made it easier for me....

danjaq_0ff · July 2009

from what i know .. these items were made by a guy who worked on the DAD set.. however i also know there was a serious amount of behind the scenes fan extras.. who worked voluntary on the film .. so segmants of the ice palace could have been taken.. by any number of fans who were there after filming..

I dont know af any fans working voluntary on the film ? this would NOT be aloud as to the insurance, everyone is on the payroll, and security was tight, thats why they came out with the hologram, I know stuff still went walkies but quite a bit was tracked and the person prosecuted

minigeff · July 2009

i know of a certain induvidual who was caught up in the glitz and glamour.

he thought it'd be a good idea to 'borrow' some items from a skip. bad idea.

from what i understand, ever since that little episode, the guy's name is mud within the industry. although i'm not directly involved with films, i still have a few fingers in pies, and know this to be true. its a close-knit community, and word travels quickly along the corridors of pinewood and other studios.

scaramangasgoldengun · July 2009

ok before this gets a bit out of hand.. as topics seem to be getting on all the bond chat forums... in terms of hounding and prosocuting our fellow collectors and enthusists... i dont know the guy never met him .. and not involved with him.... who ever it was who made the said items...

also when i mention about the people working on the film set etc .. I dint mean it in a way like .. an AD was taken out in a newspaper .. '' any Bond fans out there want to work on the 'DIE ANOTEHR DAY' set... ?

i know of a few fans who worked on the film who were able to as they were at certain Universities and Colleges etc that some applied for placement and summer work .. and opportunities to work on film sets etc relating to there Courses.. in model making or film studies etc .. it wasnt spacificaly Bond .. but who ever the agent was contucting the scheme... some of them found there way onto the DAD set... when i say .. a large number i am talking below the 50 mark .. which is very low number considering the amount of people who are involved in a single film production ..

I feel like i am in the firing line here in regards to these items... and the whole Takeing thigs from Skips venture....

danjaq_0ff · July 2009

scaramangasgoldengun wrote:

ok before this gets a bit out of hand.. as topics seem to be getting on all the bond chat forums... in terms of hounding and prosocuting our fellow collectors and enthusists... i dont know the guy never met him .. and not involved with him.... who ever it was who made the said items...

also when i mention about the people working on the film set etc .. I dint mean it in a way like .. an AD was taken out in a newspaper .. '' any Bond fans out there want to work on the 'DIE ANOTEHR DAY' set... ?

i know of a few fans who worked on the film who were able to as they were at certain Universities and Colleges etc that some applied for placement and summer work .. and opportunities to work on film sets etc relating to there Courses.. in model making or film studies etc .. it wasnt spacificaly Bond .. but who ever the agent was contucting the scheme... some of them found there way onto the DAD set... when i say .. a large number i am talking below the 50 mark .. which is very low number considering the amount of people who are involved in a single film production ..

I feel like i am in the firing line here in regards to these items... and the whole Takeing thigs from Skips venture....

If the guy in question was making £300 each for these he should get prosecuted lol i was just making a point not to post pics of stolen props, as EON do look at these forums and if your props were real you to could have been in the poop, but as they are fan made you havent got a problem only the original guy if he was still selling would be breaking the law.

Here Mick you aint been in them bins have you :v

minigeff · July 2009

chill out mick, i was just curious, the way you put it made it sound like there was some kinda quick route into working on a bond film, which is what interested me as i know from first hand that it is very very hard. as for how many work experience students worked on DAD, i'd say about 20 or so managed to get on it.

the main reason i was a bit concerned about a quick route to working on a bond film was that i wouldn't wanna give off any impression it was as simple as making a phone call. it takes a bit of good luck, a few contacts and usually a good uni behind you to make it work.

just didn't want you giving the impression anyone could just get work by ringing up, cos im afraid along with all the scripts, presents and letters, any requests would go straight in the bin.

ya know how it is, as soon as you mention people getting to work on a bond film, the chinese whispers start up and pinewood's switchboard goes into meltdown.

as far as the bond related stuff goes, everyone knows that a few naughty things get sold, its part n parcel of the collecting world. what people should consider though is that if they get themselves in a big deal, they could land themselves in massive trouble. to me personally, the idea of taking stuff from skips could be potentially damaging. its theft, and could lead to script/plot leaks, and a whole load of other bad stuff. my advise to anyone is unless you know where its coming from, be a little wary of who and what you're dealing with.

this isnt an attack on anyone, but there are a load of people selling really bad stuff as genuine items. i've seen signs with spelling mistakes, logos with the middle of letters missing, and props and other stuff so generic its highly questionable as to its authenticity, for instance, how many DAD korean gloves were sold? other stuff includes items blatently fake, with massive errors, and other stuff sold in misleading ways to make it sound like something its not.

put basically, be careful what you spend your money on people.

scaramangasgoldengun · July 2009

Good point all round guys .. and sorry if i seemed a bit
anoyed in any way there.

I aint been in them bins at the back on Pinewood.. 2
meters from the gate and 5 meters from the CCTV camera
on the north face building .. Not at all .. :v

o yea, i have still to upload onto youtube.. the CCTV footage
of me stealing the original Golden Gun from ELSTREE Studios
aswell... it was deffinetly not an original ... but an SD Gun ..
i did give them the chance to get it .. back if they admited it
was an SD Gun and not the original they were trying to claim
£60,000 for.. so i punted it on ebay for there cheek

)

Asp9mm · July 2009

The guy that made these items did not work on the films, he was just a modeller that had a good idea on how to make money... and did. They were very nicely done, but he had no connection with the film or Bond in any way, in fact he was told to stop using the fortieth anniversary logo and gunbarrel as it was not an official product or endorsed by Eon in any way. He made a Zao bust too.

Asp9mm · July 2009

minigeff wrote:

be interesting to know who the guy was, any clues asp9mm?

He used to be a member here but did not post much. A couple were sold on this site in 2002/3. He used to make quite a few items like this and not just Bond. The Ice Palace card was cast off an original bought from Propstore. The P99 was definately cast off the toy Wicke P99, which was a let down for me and my Bond firearms collecting obsession. I eventually sold mine for a huuuge profit before the VERA thing kicked off in a big way on Ebay. The later ones were really nice and the display boxes were big with a silver etched gunbarrel set behind the P99 and an ice display behind that, they really did look very well done.

Mick, if you light up the P99 through the butt, it looks superb.

danjaq_0ff · July 2009

Yeah Mick bend over lmao

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danjaq_0ff · July 2009

Asp9mm wrote:

The guy that made these items did not work on the films, he was just a modeller that had a good idea on how to make money... and did. They were very nicely done, but he had no connection with the film or Bond in any way, in fact he was told to stop using the fortieth anniversary logo and gunbarrel as it was not an official product or endorsed by Eon in any way. He made a Zao bust too.

The Zao Bust was very nice :007)

minigeff · July 2009

i prefer eva green's

scaramangasgoldengun · July 2009

sorry danjaq_0ff. I am too much of a ladies man .. but thanks for the offer .. i take it you are that way enclined danjaq_0ff

yea it does look cool lit up ... i may instal some little neon lights in the base.. customize it a little bit .. thanks for the tip Asp9mm .. good idea.

i agree also... real shame its cast off a P99 cap gun .. maybe someone could re do these from a real or deactivated P99 .. at some point.. a small limited run.. in a different style of case etc

danjaq_0ff · July 2009

) oh yes big boy,

) lmao @ ladies man, yeah i can think of 5 lovely daughtes you enjoy :v

scaramangasgoldengun · July 2009

ok.. i think we need to pull back here and cool down a bit..

i think this conversation .. may be taking a sort of Josef Fritzl
turn .. so lets take it back to bin trawling for EON property
which is probibly more dodgy to talk about in some
people's eyes..

)

so does anyone else own any of the items made by this fan .. ?

danjaq_0ff · July 2009

scaramangasgoldengun wrote:

ok.. i think we need to pull back here and cool down a bit..

i think this conversation .. may be taking a sort of Josef Fritzl
turn .. so lets take it back to bin trawling for EON property
which is probibly more dodgy to talk about in some
people's eyes.. )

so does anyone else own any of the items made by this fan .. ?

im chilled dude im just a beaky chastard :v

but i have never owened only seen a few bits, like what asp said about, he looked quite skilled at his work, like i said the zau bust was a stunning likeness

scaramangasgoldengun · July 2009

yea Colin at the museum has one of these also .. the ''Zao Bust'' .. with the diamonds encrusted in the face.. its a stunning piece.. to be honest ...

its a shame this model maker didnt do other items from other Bond movies.. he seemed to focus on DAD.. and the whole 40th aniversary theme..

minigeff · July 2009

i'd guess they were probably just coining in on an opportunity.

ppw3o6r · July 2009

Hi Guys, I was one of the idiots who paid £300 for one of the gun barrel display P99's when they were first listed on ebay. They were claimed to be cast from the same mould as the screen used stunts & even made in the same workshop at a certain famous UK film studio however they were missing all the usual Walther P99 logos etc. The word FOREIGN was stamped into the side of the gun. I still shudder when I remember seeing that for the first time..Ouch!

minigeff · July 2009

oh dear. hope the supposed 'model maker' aint still ripping people off.

its a shame really, cos in order for mr rip off to make his quick buck, he damages the reputation of all the decent guys.

Higgins · July 2009

I am sorry, what exactly do you mean, that he was ripping off?

minigeff · July 2009

rip off, as in not worth the money.

i guess its a matter of opinion, but knowing what it'd cost to make a clear cast p99, i'd consider £300 to be too expensive, especially if the run was of a large number and not very exclusive.

MG

Higgins · July 2009

well, I have no interest in defending the seller and I have nothing to do with this project.
I have seen these ice guns (but have never purchased one) and I agree with Asp9mm, they are looking absolutely great!

As far as I remember, he put them on ebay for a very much lower amount than GBP 300,-- and if bids for the first items are going that high - so be it!

I'd be a bit careful with terms like "rip-off" etc. when not knowing all facts of the case.

I truely admire the work, that you have been doing on the QoS Aston Martin, minigeff, but I am sure, that some quick guys will easily call your GBP 85 models similar, when they are not able to realize the amount of work which inside of them. I mean, you did not even make a cast for the model....

And I am sure, that you have asked for a licence for the 007 gun logo, the QoS logos and the Aston Martin wing logo....

So, please guys cool a bit down.

If he told ppw3o6r, that the gun has been molded from the screen-seen one and this is really untrue, that's a completely different piece of toast.

ICE Walther DAD prop / Displays HELP ?

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