I'm wondering...with the "Daniel Craig at the Rifle Range with a PPK" (emphasis added) thread if they're not going to try and reintroduce it. The 1930's-1960's Walther as well as 1970's Interarms PPK/S's were fine guns, after all, despite the dubious reputation of the Walther/Smith & Wesson PPK. Would I like to see something more along the lines a SIG? Yeah (although Ammo08, your referencing the Steyr M9 is also a terrific idea...I've fired one of those on two occassions; first time out my target looked like someone hit it with a few rounds of 00 buck, though I did get used to the grip and did significantly better the second time). But does it look like we might see the PPK introduced? Possible. But of course, this being the Bond movie franchise, I'm guessing they'll work in a second, more modern pistol he's actually issued.
The PPK has already been re-introduced. He used it throughout Quantum of Solace.
In QoS I always felt he had it stashed in his car as a back-up after he lost the P99 at the end of Casino Royale and never had time to get a new one, at least that was my take on it. Then again, if he managed to get a new car why not a new gun.
In QoS I always felt he had it stashed in his car as a back-up after he lost the P99 at the end of Casino Royale and never had time to get a new one, at least that was my take on it. Then again, if he managed to get a new car why not a new gun.
Plenty unexplained there. Like where the hell did his waistcoat go? And what happened to the supressor on his H&K USB?
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Isn't the PPK a bit... dated? If Bond is still to use a pre-WWII weapon, then how about the Mauser Broomhandle? Incidentally, this was the weapon in the hidden drawer under the driver's seat in the DB5 - unfortunately, the drawer (like some other gadgets) did not make it to the final cut.
The PPK is dated, but still in production and a viable handgun, unlike the clunky Mauser C96 that thankfully did not show itself in Goldfinger.
Bond's handgun and his Aston Martin are the last of Fleming's Bond "props" that carried on from the original thrillers. It's not so mcuh about the Bond having the latest, coolest, chrome plated, high capacity, 100 shot, magnum - it's tradition!
The PPK is dated, but still in production and a viable handgun, unlike the clunky Mauser C96 that thankfully did not show itself in Goldfinger.
Bond's handgun and his Aston Martin are the last of Fleming's Bond "props" that carried on from the original thrillers. It's not so mcuh about the Bond having the latest, coolest, chrome plated, high capacity, 100 shot, magnum - it's tradition!
I quite agree. Of course, for the modern Bond, I'm ok with the PPS.
Bond: "Who would spend $1 million to kill me?"
M: "Jealous husbands. Outraged chefs. Humiliated tailors. The list is endless!"
The PPK dates from 1929 but has all the features of much more modern designs like the decocker, hammer block etc. Newer handguns have the advantage of double stack magazines giving them more rounds in the magazine but they give up some concealability. It does suffer from being chambered for less powerful cartridges than some the newer weapons. Deaver equips Bond with a PPS in Carte Blanche in .40 S&W. I'd question the decision on the ammo since 9mm is more universally available but the PPS is a nice flat piece. When I tried it I had some issues with stove piping and the light weight extends recovery time for that second shot. Since Bond started with a Beretta I'd think looking at something like the Beretta PX4 Storm Subcompact might be the way to go. It is small but like most double stack pistols a bit thick. Holds 13+1 (9mm) and is very accurate. Unlike the compact and standard version it does not have the rotating barrel which would make fitting a suppressor easier. It also has a rather interesting safety system. When in the safe position not only is the hammer blocked the trigger is deactivated. There is a half-**** position which allows the weapon to be carried with the safety disengaged but still not allowing an accidental discharge due to hammer strike. The safety also acts as a decocker and one of the two magazines that come with the pistol (the one shown in the picture) has a flip down pinky extention which allows a more comfortable grip. Like the P99 it comes with some grip modifiers for small, medium and large hands.
I have been a member of the new pistol club in my local community for a few months now, and I'm planning to buy my first gun(s) this winter. It will definately be a 22lr, probably a a 9mm too. i want them cheap, so i'll probably buy used ones. my favourites are Cz 75 or Taurus pt92. I think they are reliable and heavy, resulting in less recoil. I don't know about the 22lr.
You are the most knowledgable people i know when it comes to guns, so do you have any advice?
Ps: Tomorrow I'll be the range commander (or whatever it's called in English) Exciting! I'll do my best....
You might consider the Sig P226 in .22lr. The pistol comes with a discount coupon towards a caliber conversion so you can pickup a .357SIG, .40S&W or 9mm slide/barrel and magazine to easily convert to a second caliber. I got the .357SIG since this cartridge is a necked down .40S&W and only a .40S&W barrel was required to also be able to shoot that caliber. I will eventually get a 9mm kit for it so I'll be able to use this caliber as well. These pistols also come with the extended beaver tail which is only available on some of the more expansive semi-custom Sigs. The only issue is these pistols have become very popular and are sometimes difficult to fine.
Another advantage of this particular system is from a training perspective operation of pistol with the various calibers is the same so practicing with the inexpensive .22lr cartridge will also benefit you when you shoot the larger calibers.
I have been a member of the new pistol club in my local community for a few months now, and I'm planning to buy my first gun(s) this winter. It will definately be a 22lr, probably a a 9mm too. i want them cheap, so i'll probably buy used ones. my favourites are Cz 75 or Taurus pt92. I think they are reliable and heavy, resulting in less recoil. I don't know about the 22lr.
You are the most knowledgable people i know when it comes to guns, so do you have any advice?
Ps: Tomorrow I'll be the range commander (or whatever it's called in English) Exciting! I'll do my best....
I was thinking cz75 before I even got to that in your post! I had one for a few years and it was great. Very similar to a Browning but with DA and extra capacity. Mine was a standard fixed sight, low ramp, plastic grips model, and was one of the best firearms I ever owned. Thousands of rounds and no stoppages, although by the time I traded it in it was shot-out and started being very sporadic with accuracy - it was ten years old when I got it and I think it saw a lot of use. Not a fan of taurus really - better off getting a Beretta 92 second hand IMO.
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Those Ruger .22's are pretty quite without the suppressor, but with a large one like that they're the quintessential silenced weapon. A club I used to belong to had some as club guns, and they were very accurate but did mis-feed sometimes. .22 r/f can be tricky until you find the best for each weapon, and club ammo tends to be the cheapest available...
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I have been a member of the new pistol club in my local community for a few months now, and I'm planning to buy my first gun(s) this winter. It will definately be a 22lr, probably a a 9mm too. i want them cheap, so i'll probably buy used ones. my favourites are Cz 75 or Taurus pt92. I think they are reliable and heavy, resulting in less recoil. I don't know about the 22lr.
You are the most knowledgable people i know when it comes to guns, so do you have any advice?
Ps: Tomorrow I'll be the range commander (or whatever it's called in English) Exciting! I'll do my best....
I was thinking cz75 before I even got to that in your post! I had one for a few years and it was great. Very similar to a Browning but with DA and extra capacity. Mine was a standard fixed sight, low ramp, plastic grips model, and was one of the best firearms I ever owned. Thousands of rounds and no stoppages, although by the time I traded it in it was shot-out and started being very sporadic with accuracy - it was ten years old when I got it and I think it saw a lot of use. Not a fan of taurus really - better off getting a Beretta 92 second hand IMO.
Yes, the Cz seems to be a good candidate. It looks good, it's reliable, it's reasonably prized and it shoots more accurately than I can. About the above post about sig-sauer: I see your point about using the same gun for two calibres. But aren't Sig-Sauers expensive? I have looked at the Cz 75 kadet, an other pistol able to shoot both 22lr and 9mm. Problem is the Kadet is so expensive it is cheaper to buy two guns!
I had fun yesterday alone on the range with a ... range of different 22lr pistols. I seem to get a lot of stoppages on Ruger Mk III's. Hammerli X'esse seems more reliable to me. I got to shoot a competition style pistol (can't remember the make) a lot for the first time, and I was amazed how accurate it was. Honestly I'm more unsure about the 22lr than the 9mm. Cz 75's are som common they should be ease to find used, shame I haven't had a chanse to fire one yet. Choosing a 22lr is worse.
Keep in mind, Bond's choice was Beretta. M forced the Walther on him.
Baretta??? pfftttt...... Not nice guns (well I do like their shotguns), but the handguns arent great......
Which is what one Geoffrey Boothroyd told Ian Fleming; hence, the introduction of the armourer Boothroyd in the novel Dr No who equips Bond with the Walther.
Keep in mind, Bond's choice was Beretta. M forced the Walther on him.
Baretta??? pfftttt...... Not nice guns (well I do like their shotguns), but the handguns arent great......
Beretta make great shotguns - I have a .12 bore 687 multi-choke sport, and it's still like new after 20 odd years use. The pistols are ok, but the American-made ones are inferior to the Italian ones. I owned a 92 FS, and changed it in favour of a Browning hp-35. The first pull of the 92 on DA is terrible, the trigger is way out there and extremely heavy. The gun was also tinny and toy-like. Stripping it is also unnecessarily awkward.
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Keep in mind, Bond's choice was Beretta. M forced the Walther on him.
Baretta??? pfftttt...... Not nice guns (well I do like their shotguns), but the handguns arent great......
Beretta make great shotguns - I have a .12 bore 687 multi-choke sport, and it's still like new after 20 odd years use. The pistols are ok, but the American-made ones are inferior to the Italian ones. I owned a 92 FS, and changed it in favour of a Browning hp-35. The first pull of the 92 on DA is terrible, the trigger is way out there and extremely heavy. The gun was also tinny and toy-like. Stripping it is also unnecessarily awkward.
Agreed, shotguns are lovely to shoot and nicely made.
If i was buying a pistol for use everyday, it would be glock or H&K
PPK should definitely make a return in Bond 23, especially this upcoming year being the 50th anniversary of 007. Even in the present day, the Walther PPK makes its case as 007's weapon of choice. The final scene in QoS with Vesper's boyfriend, DC carries a PPK which single-handedly makes that one of the best scenes in the film. The Walther PPK is a slick weapon that shall stick with 007 forever.
PPK should definitely make a return in Bond 23, especially this upcoming year being the 50th anniversary of 007. Even in the present day, the Walther PPK makes its case as 007's weapon of choice. The final scene in QoS with Vesper's boyfriend, DC carries a PPK which single-handedly makes that one of the best scenes in the film. The Walther PPK is a slick weapon that shall stick with 007 forever.
Absolutely. -{ I have used a lot of handguns over the years - not many in the past five years though, but I just haven't come across anything so good as a ppk for what it does. It's small, very well made and solid, has a narrow frame for conceal carry, is thoroughly reliable and despite what people bang-on about calibres and stopping power - 7.65mm is pretty pokey at close range! Bond isn't law-enforcement going up against drug-heads on PCP who need a good .45 in the chest. His brief is to get in close and put a bullet in the head, then get out again. The fixed barrel works perfectly when adapted for a suppressor/silencer - giving the weapon the ability to feed automatically and suppressed 7.65mm is pretty quite also.
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The PPK has already been re-introduced. He used it throughout Quantum of Solace.
...and I feel like a complete idiot for not remembering that (let's just say QoS wasn't my favorite Bond flick, but even so...).
Plenty unexplained there. Like where the hell did his waistcoat go? And what happened to the supressor on his H&K USB?
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He took the silencer off because it made the HK too long to easily manipulate inside the cab of the Aston.
He got the PPK when he picked up the new car. Since he was wearing a suit he wanted something smaller so it wouldn't print.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Bond's handgun and his Aston Martin are the last of Fleming's Bond "props" that carried on from the original thrillers. It's not so mcuh about the Bond having the latest, coolest, chrome plated, high capacity, 100 shot, magnum - it's tradition!
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
I quite agree. Of course, for the modern Bond, I'm ok with the PPS.
M: "Jealous husbands. Outraged chefs. Humiliated tailors. The list is endless!"
Reflections in a double bourbon...
You are the most knowledgable people i know when it comes to guns, so do you have any advice?
Ps: Tomorrow I'll be the range commander (or whatever it's called in English) Exciting! I'll do my best....
Another advantage of this particular system is from a training perspective operation of pistol with the various calibers is the same so practicing with the inexpensive .22lr cartridge will also benefit you when you shoot the larger calibers.
Reflections in a double bourbon...
I was thinking cz75 before I even got to that in your post! I had one for a few years and it was great. Very similar to a Browning but with DA and extra capacity. Mine was a standard fixed sight, low ramp, plastic grips model, and was one of the best firearms I ever owned. Thousands of rounds and no stoppages, although by the time I traded it in it was shot-out and started being very sporadic with accuracy - it was ten years old when I got it and I think it saw a lot of use. Not a fan of taurus really - better off getting a Beretta 92 second hand IMO.
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i agree with this
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Reflections in a double bourbon...
Those Ruger .22's are pretty quite without the suppressor, but with a large one like that they're the quintessential silenced weapon. A club I used to belong to had some as club guns, and they were very accurate but did mis-feed sometimes. .22 r/f can be tricky until you find the best for each weapon, and club ammo tends to be the cheapest available...
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Yes, the Cz seems to be a good candidate. It looks good, it's reliable, it's reasonably prized and it shoots more accurately than I can. About the above post about sig-sauer: I see your point about using the same gun for two calibres. But aren't Sig-Sauers expensive? I have looked at the Cz 75 kadet, an other pistol able to shoot both 22lr and 9mm. Problem is the Kadet is so expensive it is cheaper to buy two guns!
I had fun yesterday alone on the range with a ... range of different 22lr pistols. I seem to get a lot of stoppages on Ruger Mk III's. Hammerli X'esse seems more reliable to me. I got to shoot a competition style pistol (can't remember the make) a lot for the first time, and I was amazed how accurate it was. Honestly I'm more unsure about the 22lr than the 9mm. Cz 75's are som common they should be ease to find used, shame I haven't had a chanse to fire one yet. Choosing a 22lr is worse.
+Compact
+Concealable
+Reliable
+Accurate
I would offer up:
The Glock 26C (with full auto function for baddie busting action)
(i have 2 airsoft versions of these, called the "Twins"
The H&K P7M13
The Kahr PM9
The Taurus TCP 380
I wold be fairly happy to own any of the above. All great guns in their own way.
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
PS, walther would have to go bankrupt before I jumped ship though... Loves Em.
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
You forgot: stylish and ideally a Walther
LOL, fair play number 24!
But, IF Walther didnt exist, it would have to be one of the above. I could see Jimmy B firing off a few rounds out of those...
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
Reflections in a double bourbon...
Baretta??? pfftttt...... Not nice guns (well I do like their shotguns), but the handguns arent great......
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
Which is what one Geoffrey Boothroyd told Ian Fleming; hence, the introduction of the armourer Boothroyd in the novel Dr No who equips Bond with the Walther.
Beretta make great shotguns - I have a .12 bore 687 multi-choke sport, and it's still like new after 20 odd years use. The pistols are ok, but the American-made ones are inferior to the Italian ones. I owned a 92 FS, and changed it in favour of a Browning hp-35. The first pull of the 92 on DA is terrible, the trigger is way out there and extremely heavy. The gun was also tinny and toy-like. Stripping it is also unnecessarily awkward.
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Agreed, shotguns are lovely to shoot and nicely made.
If i was buying a pistol for use everyday, it would be glock or H&K
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
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Absolutely. -{ I have used a lot of handguns over the years - not many in the past five years though, but I just haven't come across anything so good as a ppk for what it does. It's small, very well made and solid, has a narrow frame for conceal carry, is thoroughly reliable and despite what people bang-on about calibres and stopping power - 7.65mm is pretty pokey at close range! Bond isn't law-enforcement going up against drug-heads on PCP who need a good .45 in the chest. His brief is to get in close and put a bullet in the head, then get out again. The fixed barrel works perfectly when adapted for a suppressor/silencer - giving the weapon the ability to feed automatically and suppressed 7.65mm is pretty quite also.
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1. People who hate things.
2. Irony.
3. Lists.
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