CR-Montenegro Tie + Ordering @ Magnoli Clothiers

clubby · January 2010

clubby wrote:

Hello everyone,

You have quite a nice forum here.

I am considering the purchase of the so called "montenegro" tie, referring to the tie which is worn by DC on those pictures when he checks in and then meets Mathis (pictures remains property of their owner...)

http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/CR_0702.htm

http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/CR_0718.htm

I read pretty interesting feedback on that forum concerning the offer of Montenegro tie by Magnoli Clothiers.

Here is what I finally found: http://www.magnoliclothiers.com/montenegro-tie-ties-p-285%7B51%7D335.html

Seriously guys, do you really think that this magnolic tie looks like the tie we can see in the movie ? Really ?

Look at the first picture, am I the only one to think it has nothing to do with ?

Neither the pattern, nor colours...

Well, waiting for your comments =]

Edit: ordering + 4 weeks

Hello Guys,

Following your advices, I ordered 3 ties from Magnoli.

180 USD Payment through paypal.

It has been 23 days since they shipped, according to mail robot.

Quite a long time, isn't it ?

I guess some of you also live in Europe, what was the average time for the item to reach you ?

richi717 · January 2010

I have Magnoli's tie and I think the color is off a bit. I don't have the original so what do I know.

urhash · January 2010

Looks pretty damn accurate to me.

http://ima.dada.net/image/113056.jpg

clubby · January 2010

Urhash,

http://ima.dada.net/image/113056.jpg and http://www.magnoliclothiers.com/montene … 7D335.html

No doubt, they look damn the same.

Regarding http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/CR_0718.htm I still have some doubts... big ones

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richi717 · January 2010

Never had a problem with the pattern. Having the replica, I don't think his is a dark enough color compared to screen worn. But i don't have the orig, so I'm not saying I am correct.

BLU8 · January 2010

Keep in mind that lighting & post-production work that is done on the footage can dramatically alter how the tie looks on-screen, as opposed to its real-life counterpart. For example, in these screencaps:

http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/CR_0697.htm

http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/CR_0717.htm

The Montenegro necktie looks like a simple solid silver tie. You can't even make out the pattern.

Similarly, the Tom Ford "Greene Planet Party" tie from QoS has a pattern of blue & silver diamonds. Yet in the movie, it often looks like a solid blue tie, with little of the silver showing up.

http://www.magnoliclothiers.com/quantum-tie-ties-p-287.html

http://screenmusings.org/QuantumOfSolace/pages/QoS_1204.htm

http://screenmusings.org/QuantumOfSolace/pages/QoS_1209.htm

Another example off the top of my head is The Dark Knight, where the Joker's T&A necktie was actually predominantly green, but looks dark brown in the final film.

Basically, what I am trying to say is that all the work that goes into creating a film shot can play with our perception of how something looks onscreen, compared to seeing it in person. Now, I don't have the original Brioni Montenegro tie, so I can't directly compare it to Magnoli's replica (which I do own), but given the photo provided by urhash & the top-notch quality of Magnoli's work, I have no doubt that Magnoli's tie is a perfect replica of the original Brioni one worn in the movie.

DBS · January 2010

Well stated BLU8! And great examples given. I've seen some of the "Dark Knight" costumes in person and can verify what you've stated here.

My experience with Magnoli is that his designs do not come from screen grabs, but rather from original fabric swatches, screen-used items viewed and measured in person, and from first-hand accounts and research. A quick e-mail to Tony will confirm this (if someone hasn't asked him already). As BLU8 so well stated, please do not trust what you see on screen as an accurate representation of how an article of clothing looks in person.

A film goes through quite a laborious process from the time it's exposed in the camera to the time it's projected onto the big screen (and then further transferred to DVD and Blu-Ray and viewed at home). There are many things that can alter the colors that appear on film/television, including the type of filmstock used, lighting equipment and gels, and a post-production process called the Digital Intermediate. The filmmakers have an extreme amount of latitude when it comes to how their finished film will look, and it can be very different than what is actually seen in person on-set.

Kind regards,
Craig

dak212us · January 2010

I don't think I've ever heard of Magnoli making a tie without having an swatch sample of the actual. I have the Magnoli Montenegro Tie & It matches the photo of Craig that Urhash posted perfectly.

toutbrun · January 2010

Well there are not samples for everything. Sometimes, members of the forum help him develop ties (ex. Goldeneye tie). The TF harrington matches the color from the swatches, but he doesn't use swatches for EVERYTHING. I remember one of his email. Pictures are good, because anyway, I want what I saw in the post-prod movie.

urhash · January 2010

Right - not all the ties come from swatches. Although to my knowledge the minimum has at least been a very high resolution pic of the tie that can give him a good look at the fabric and the weave (particularly important).

clubby · January 2010

Thanks all for your personal explanations.

I admit I have always been a great fan of ties with little grey/black squares, maybe that's why I wanted DC to wear one of it in Montenegro...

=]

Professor Dent · January 2010

I have Magnoli's Montenegro tie & it is very nice. You will see color variations based on the lighting but, from what I can tell, it's very accurate compared to the original.

ExpatJB · January 2010

Some tie pics which I thought would throw up as there was some decent daylight. :007)

clubby · February 2010

update

007 and a half · February 2010

clubby wrote:

update

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clubby · February 2010

Edit: ordering + 4 weeks

Hello Guys,

Following your advices, I ordered 3 ties from Magnoli.

180 USD Payment through paypal.

It has been 23 days since they shipped, according to mail robot.

Quite a long time, isn't it ?

I guess some of you also live in Europe, what was the average time for the item to reach you ?

jj008 · February 2010

I ordered a tie on dec. 11th, Was shipped the 15th, and it arrived here in Denmark the 23rd, so 12 days in total from ordering.

00 Aussie · February 2010

It took several weeks for my order to get from New Zealand to Australia, and thats comparatively next door.

CR-Montenegro Tie + Ordering @ Magnoli Clothiers

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