Craig Tuxedos
coolhandluke
Posts: 7MI6 Agent
Hi everyone,
I just wanted to get some general feedback about the tuxedoes worn by DC in his two films. Which ones do you prefer? The Casino Royale one or Quantum's? I really like them both but can't decide which one is "cooler"
Any thoughts?
I just wanted to get some general feedback about the tuxedoes worn by DC in his two films. Which ones do you prefer? The Casino Royale one or Quantum's? I really like them both but can't decide which one is "cooler"
Any thoughts?
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~ Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
"Your contact?" "Not well."
I know it's frowned upon by the "sartorial elite", but don't forget that Sean Connery wore a notched-lapel tuxedo in "Goldfinger": http://screenmusings.org/Goldfinger/pages/Gf_238.htm
Hello all!
My own dinner suit / tux is a replica of Daniel Craig's Casino Royale one. - I went to a professional tailor to get it made. - Less that the Magnoli one in UK pricing. King & Allen, offer amazing bespoke quality, and style. They travel on a regular schedule to different UK cities - they come to you in a sense.
My suit fits me like a glove, and I had a fair bit of say in the sleeve width, positions of the pockets and the feel of the cut.
- You won't get any of those things though an online purchase. I don't know if you are in the UK, but even if you aren't there are tailors like K&A all over the world! ajb007/bond
A little reference material!
http://www.kingandallen.co.uk/
http://www.blacktieguide.com/
http://www.mytuxedo.co.uk/ (For styles and ideas)
Back on topic, I disagree that the Tom Ford style is a classic look, Classic is timeless, and doesn't date. Ford's style is 1960's chic. It looks great on Daniel Craig, but ridiculous on Bond. (Ie, a British spy would not have a designer label wardrobe!)
The other problem is men's eveningwear should be uniformical, its the nature of male elegance. Black tie only has designer trends and fashion admonishments in chain retail circles to keep sales high, or A list actors who never wear the same suit twice. - Those of us who live in the real world, are better off (Ie, LOOK far better off) in the traditional style!
Shatterhand 67 & BLU8 - Notch lapels are nothing to be ashamed of. Notch has joined peak and shawl collar as an accepted and classic style.
THUNDERBIRD2...I'm glad the notched has become more widely accepted...although here's another thing the sartorial snobs may have a fit with. I don't like to wear a cummerbund. Ha! I don't think a waistcoat looks right with a notched lapel...and I really liked the non vest, non cummerbund look in Casino Royale. I even bought the white Albert Thurston braces.
If any of you guys are thinking about buying a tuxedo I would look on ebay. There are some great buys. In these parts it costs about $125 to rent a tux so if you find a good deal it will pay for itself after the first time you wear it.
My tux is a Hickey Freeman. HF is a respected US brand. Brand new this tux would be about $1500. I paid $50 for it on ebay and it was in brand new condition. I suspect the former owner had only worn it once.
However, I did pay the full $450 for the Turnbull and Asser CR tux shirt. I think the braces were about $65 if memory serves me correctly. Both of those were full price. However I got a great deal on a pair of Allen Edmonds Spencer pantent leather tuxedo shoes. I think they retailed for $350 or so and I got a pair from Allen Edmonds for $125 or so. Although I paid retail for several of these items I'm sure if you look enough you'd be able to find a similar look on ebay for a fraction of those costs...so it might be possible to find a good quality tux, shirt, tie, shoes on ebay for $250 or less.
The Spencer shoes had already been discontinued by AE but I was able to have one of their retailers track down a pair in their nation wide network.
I believe that it is also perfectly acceptable nowadays to wear a simple pair of black calf shoes. But those patent leather shoes really complete the outfit.
Oh...almost forgot. I happen to be of Irish heritage so I sometimes will attend a "Green Tie" event or two during the month of March. I picked up a silk Turnbull and Asser green bow tie on ebay for about $10. It is identical in every respect to the black one that came with the CR shirt. I thought that was a great find as well.
Happy hunting guys.
My current tuxedo is actually "Frankensteined" from bits & pieces of different tuxedos that I've found in thrift stores. The overall outfit looks great, but the only problem is that the jacket, waistcoat, & pants are all slightly different shades of black. However, it's very hard to tell unless you're standing VERY close to me, & since most black tie events take place in the evening, I figure that 99% of people won't notice or care. In any case, it certainly looks a lot better than the cheap rental tuxes you see everywhere. I especially love the jacket, which is a used Yves Saint Laurent that I got for about $15. It's virtually identical to Craig's CR Brioni dinner jacket, & fits like it was made-to-measure for me. I'm hoping to one day purchase Magnoli's Casino Royale tuxedo (perhaps for my wedding?).
~ Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
That's actually a really good point. I can just imagine Bond looking at a Tom Ford ad and pretty much deciding he will never shop there.
"Your contact?" "Not well."
There's also the price to consider for Bond, I know he wins a decent amount of money in casino's etc but it's not very realistic that he's wearing suits that cost as much as a small car.
Just out of curiosity Urhash, which brands/designer/tailor would you like to see Bond wear?
I'd go with companies such as Barbour, Belstaff, Baracuta, Burberry, Crombie, Gieves & Hawkes. Maybe he could even use a tailor local to where he lives for his suits & shirts.
Maybe a return of the knitted tie as TF seems to be featuring them on his website and it's a big part of Bond's original clothing.
He nicked it from the locker of a bodybuilding opera singer.
And, conceivably, he didn't chose his Brioni in CR; that was a gift as part of Vespers sartorial education of the slob. 8-)
While I like the idea of putting Craig in sharper, slimmer clothes, I'm not sure TF was the way to go. The Brioni tux wins out definitely.
Exactly! Mr Craig is one of those men that can seemingly wear anything. I have seen various press shots of him wearing tailoring an casual clothes and he looks great. He can carry that slightly retro look, and looks completely natural in suits. He clearly likes them.
Bond the character though, is a different story. Reboot or not, an exclusive "single label" wardrobe and tech - Sony Laptop, Sony Phone etc, it goes against the nature of the character, reboot or not. Setting aside the aforementioned budget, Tom Ford is a designer who's clothes stand out in a crowd from everything else. Ahem, Hello!!
By contrast, the Brioni dinner suit from CR is THE classic style. Setting aside the modern cut, its a style that goes right back to the birth of the dinner suit, classic yet stylish and sharp as a scalpel. Totally Bond. (Even if it too costs the same as a small car!!)
Two plus points I'll concede for the Q0fS Suit.
1) It is a style that works on Mr Craig. So from that point it can't be considered a "fashion disaster" like Connery's Goldfinger Terry Toweling fit, or Moore's dated kipper ties. (No offence to either actor!
2) Although blatent, the QofS dinner suit is a respectable retro homage to Dr No. - Pity they also decided to coat the lovely Ms Arterton in Chocolate body Turps to ram the point home!
Hear, hear.
Exactly, i very much agree, the literary bond wouldnt even wear Brioni, he would opt for a tailor off Saville Row, or a low key tailer that is underated albeit very skilled.
~ Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
I still love the tuxedo Lazenby wore. The ruffs on the shirt took a bit to get used to, but that dinner jacket still holds up. Sharp and very fitting of Bond.
Well, of course, Fleming Bond most likely wouldn't wear most of the stuff Craig Bond wears.
Or do the things he does.
Or behave as he does, either.