SBS Insignia Courtesy Asp9mm
Donald Grant
U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
A while back I posted pictures of the new SBS insignia in my collection because Bond is a former member. I also talked about the old insignia and motto vs. the new insignia and motto. Asp9mm was nice enough to send me an assortment of old and new insignia on the arrm. It was sent a long time ago but was returned to sender. Asp9mm sent them again and I got them Friday. This is such a great community! Anyway, here are the pictures except for one piece because my camera died.
Old insignia and motto:
New insignia and motto:
Thanks Asp9mm!
DG
Old insignia and motto:
New insignia and motto:
Thanks Asp9mm!
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
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~ Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
Hi DG
Looks absolutely crackerjack. Beautiful items. Terrific collection when you collect the less obvious but no less important "background" items to 007. In my book this is the sign of a real connoisseur.
Love the SBS motto. Very good for this elite commando force. Its less well known, unlike the US Marines "gung-ho"
Background to Gung-ho - This unofficial motto of the US Marine Corps is an abbreviation for the Mandarin Gongye Hezhoushe, or industrial cooperative. The term was used in China, starting in 1938, to refer to small, industrial operations that were being established in rural China to replace the industrial centers that had been captured by the Japanese. The phrase was clipped to the initial characters of the two words, gung ho (or gung he, as it would be transliterated today), which means "work together." This clipping became a slogan for the industrial cooperative movement.
Enter Lt. Col. Evans Carlson, US Marine Corps. Carlson was a military attache in the US embassy to China in the late-30s. In China, Carlson reported on both the operations of the Chinese army in the field as well as the country's industrial capacity and was favorably impressed by the industrial cooperatives. When he returned to the States and the US entered WWII, Carlson was appointed commander of the 2nd Marine Raider Battalion. Recalling his time in China, Carlson chose gung ho as the motto for his elite battalion and by late 1942 was widely adopted throughout the Marine Corps as an expression of spirit and "can do" attitude.
So the term "Gung Ho" now becomes a slang term meaning "Can Do."
Regards, Sid
Your post got me carried away with those mottos....here's a few more mottos from a variety of Special Operation Commando...some common, others less so {[]
"Who Dares, Wins."
British Special Air Service (SAS)
(Other SAS variants include: "Who sweats,wins" and "Who plans, wins")
"The only easy day was yesterday."
US Navy SEALs
"There is no 'I' in TEAM."
US Navy SEALs
"Anyone can just go in there and kill someone, but you can't get information from a corpse."
- SEAL motto
"Pain is weakness leaving the body."
- Various Special Ops Instructors
"I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way."
- John Paul Jones (later adopted by the US Navy's Special Boat Units)
"The Exertion of Better Men"
- Motto for Special Boat Unit 22, Det 122- Sacramento , Ca.
7th Special Operations Squadron, RAF Mildenhall, UK
"Adapt or Perish!"
"These things we do that others may live."
USAF Pararescue
"Death waits in the dark."
US Army Task Force 160 "Night Stalkers"
"Any Time, Any Place"
USAF 16th SOW
"Elite of the Elite"
2nd Force Recon (USMC)
"First there...that others may live."
USAF 720th Special Tactics Group
"De oppresso liber"
(To free the oppressed)
US Army Special Forces
"Sua sponte"
(Of their own accord)
US Army Rangers
"Lo Que Sea, Cuando Sea, Donde Sea"
(Anything, Anytime, Anywhere)
7th Special Forces Group (Airborne)
"First in Asia"
1st Special Forces Group (Airborne)
Republic of Korea SOF Motto:
"Make the Impossible Possible"
(approximate translation)
"Sure I am this day we are masters of our fate, that the task which has been set before us is not above our strength; that its pangs and toils are not beyond our endurance. As long as we have faith in our own cause and an unconquerable will to win, victory will not be denied us."
- From sign in SEAL training facility (Sir Winston Churchill)
"One officer who went to Sorrento tells this story:
After going ashore he went looking for Darby. Approaching one member in a Ranger uniform, he asked his usual question, 'Do you know where I can find Col. Darby?'
A slow grin crossed the face of the husky soldier as he answered, "You'll never find him this far back."
- We Led the Way: Darby's Rangers
"Onward we stagger, and if the tanks come, may God help the tanks."
- Col. William O. Darby
"For the operators, whom a wise commander uses with great skill and forethought, and whom the fool throws away in ignorance and contempt."
- Greg Walker (Dedication - At the Hurricane's Eye)
"We ain't making no goddamn cornflakes here."
Col. Charlie Beckwith, founder of Delta Force
"We aren't going to try to train you, we're going to try to kill you."
- Soldier I, SAS
"It's a question of mind over matter, I don't mind and you don't **** matter"
- The Elite, article on Royal Marine Commandos boot camp.
"March or Die"
- French Foreign Legion
.....to wrap this up on a humorous note...Willie Nelson has one which always cracks me up...."If you got the money, Honey, I got the time...."
B-)
Wow, you are "da man". I'm particularly fascinated by specialised "elite" units and their mottos. Also fascinated by the tough training that they go through. Often it's not the hulking Shwartzeneger types that succeed in training, but the tough scrappy guys who's mental attitude will not allow them to quit no matter the obstacle. Thanks for sharing.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Yes, today it means Special Boat Service. In the past it has also has meant Special Boat Squadron. Its origins go back to World War II.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
eg: with the 8th and 9th USAF around late 1944, when they learned that shot down US aircrew taken in as POW's - sergeants and above ranks were given different treatment by Germans, all lower ranks were given a promotion. So all bomber crews immediately promoted to minimum sergeant.
Book also goes into training, or in some cases, lack of training of the citizen soldier, in facing the reality of battle....
Talking about mental atitudes, have you watched that old Gregory Peck film, "6 o'clock High." Its a classic and used as textbook reference in management courses in the US. Background is a run down low morale fatalistic US bomber crew that Peck takes charge of - the technique he uses to whip them into a focused team with the "killer attitude" is really interesting - and why this movie is studied in colleges.
Mental attitude is where Bond excels...the DC Bond is more the "commando" like character than Moore's "Shared body heat and positive mental attitude."
where can I get hold of some of those badges they are awesome!!
thanks, wasnt sure.
~ Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
i believe a guy called Roger Day has them in abundance......
Vive le droit à la libre expression! Je suis Charlie!
www.helpforheroes.org.uk
www.cancerresearchuk.org
Yes. Or you could try a career in the Royal Navy, and work toward joining the SBS.
love the mottos....
I did some research into this a while ago and came across a couple of summary web pages that might answer the basic questions like where do they buy their ties and would they be seen dead in Tom Ford
Enjoy
http://sbsspecialboatservice.com/
http://www.sasspecialairservice.com/
and a generic site giving very summary info on many of the World's Elite...
http://www.whodareswins.com/
BTW many won't have heard of the sister (?) unit recently formed within UKSF to complement SAS/SBS
http://srrspecialreconnaissanceregiment.com/
Sadly the info is a bit negative but remember, none of these units have ever officially left the barracks they officially don't occupy (except a well known trip down to "drop in" on the Iranian Embassy.....
Oh and don't forget to check out the related veterans site...
http://veteransprotest.com/
because treating our military personel with dignity and respect (oh and nurses and doctors) is often beyond the scope of the powers that be....
How could a thread like this (or a rant like mine ) be complete without
www.helpforheroes.org.uk
The official Det motto, quoting St Luke was...
"Go out into the highways and hedges,
and compel them to come in..."
SRR tested and use one find handgun as well, in Ken Null UNS holsters.
Glad you eventually got them DG.
Hmm, by the way you talk the talk it seems like you may have walked the walk. No need to confirm or deny. Just my impression. Thanks again for the pieces, very nice of you.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
You got it
Just exactly what handgun does SSR use, still the Browning or have they gone to the SIG 226?
The Det, from my readings, certainly had a nice array of weaponry,but I thought they also had the G3K for car body work.
Regards,
Tecolote
Sig P228 and modified S&W 3913s for CP work. The Browning is still used too.
You are right, the G3K was issued also, but was more of a car gun and not usually part of the personal inventory.
sorry for the bit of a necropost but can anyone tell me where I can buy one of these pins? I was recently given some UKSF pins and have been unable to find the new style one for sale with all google results being the older style (frog)