Daniel Craig = New Timothy Dalton?
Jarvio
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Just had a thought what with the recent panic of bond23 being suspended and the possibility of Daniel Craig not returning... Made me think of Timothy Dalton. He was supposed to do a 3rd film (The Property Of A Lady) but then it got cancelled, and we didn't get another bond film until quite some time after (GE - 6 year gap after LTK)... Timothy Dalton having 2 bond films in total.
Will it be a similar case with DC? Large gap between QOS and bond23, with somebody else playing bond when bond23 eventually reaches us? With DC having 2 bond films in total?
Will it be a similar case with DC? Large gap between QOS and bond23, with somebody else playing bond when bond23 eventually reaches us? With DC having 2 bond films in total?
1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
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Certainly, if the financial idiocy surrounding MGM continues for an inordinate amount of time, such a thing is possible. The magnitude of this folly becomes more apparent with each passing day, and of course the Timothy Dalton historical model gives a precedent for such a thing.
Personally, I'm hoping history does not repeat itself...but a quick look around at the world in which we live gives no comfort that humanity is willing to learn from history
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
As long as MGM isn't looking to Greece and Portugal for financial backing
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I certainly hope we won't have a second Dalton here with Craig. Being one of the many sceptics when he was announced, I became one of the many converts when CR was released. QoS could have been a different movie than what was eventually released, so I still think a couple more outings as Bond (one ending the journey started in the first two movies, one a 'classic' Bond adventure just for the heck of it) would be more than welcome as far as I'm concerned.
That being said, Loeffelholz, I do share your misgivings about the outcome of MGM's financial situation. But be mindful, there are more than a few Sony execs who would be ecstatic to own the franchise distribution rights, lock, stock and barrel. So there may be some hope yet.
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Lloyd
Well the pictures are good, but it has nothing to do with this particular thread
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
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I wonder if he's talked to Dalton since this thing broke out?
"Your contact?" "Not well."
I believe MGM have a share ownership in EON... what I don't get is that Bond 23 is a guaranteed money maker so would have thought this would get the green light. Having said that I'm positive there is a reason why they're not pushing ahead with it because it just doesn’t make sense does it...
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2. Irony.
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Yes Harry Saltzman sold his share in the initial company to United Artists I think in the 1960s, and MGM bought that share from them in the 1980s, so it's not as cut and dry as Eon switching studios, MGM hold certain Bond copyrights and trademarks I think.
And I think any company whose finances and ownership are in question would put everything on hold until things were sorted. What would happen if Bond23 began production and after a few months the studio was declared bankrupt -- they'd have a wasted project.
If MGM collapses they can always sell their share in Bond to somebody else like Sony I imagine.
Forgot to comment on the point of the thread -- If Craig were to have the same problem as Dalton then Bond23 would be released in (2007-) 2013, creating the same 6 year gap as 89-95. I can't see it taking that long, 2011/2012 seems a more realistic release date, but again, that is quite a gap.
I don't think Daniel Craig will be replaced by that time -- but as happened with Dalton, it was the actor who chose to step down, he wasn't 'replaced' -- if it gets to 2012 and production hasn't begun because of studio wranglings, then I'd imagine it highly possible that Craig would decide to give up and get on with other films.
I totally agree but there are a few other factors as to why we may have seen the last of Craig as 007.
1) Craig is could be developing into a star in his own right (Dalton was not) - after 4-5 years he may not want to be Bond
2) I think this mess potentially could be worse than 89-95. Bankruptcy could take a long time and MGM owns many valuable commodities like the Hobbit & Bond (I hear they are working on co-financing for the Hobbit now) MGM will not give it up so easily
3) Michael & Babs seems way bitter at MGM, could be a long fight ahead
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I realise we've had the MGM announcement recently confirming their future but you make a great point Jarvio. I think the 'Bond cycle' will revolve again. When 'they' feel the movies are in a rut, they go all serious & gadget free. They did it with Moore after the all singing/all dancing Moonraker and brought him back down to earth with FYEO and eventually bringing in Dalton for the gritty Bond. Big gap and the revamp and back to the 'Bond formula' with Brosnans Goldeneye, followed by 'scrap the formula' and introducing the gritty Craig. DG has done a great job (with Casino Royale - not the 'other' one - no appologies - QOS/thumbs down) but a return to 'a proper Bond movie' would require a new face.
i enjoyed Craigs two films as action films but to me its just not Bond, I honestly cant put my finger on it but Craig is not Bond to me
whereas all the previous 5 were [some better than others].
If Craig does 23 and ties up the Quantum rubbish [just my opinion] and Dench bows out at the end then reboot ,refresh or whatever you want to call it for 24 with new Bond, M and everything I would be happy.
As I this is just my opinion and what I would like to happen.
Not familiar with the above but I've heard alot of talk about Richard Armitage (Spooks/Strike Back) in the role, he hasn't broken into films as yet and has a good TV pedigree - much the same as Moore & Brosnan.
....and I totally agree with you on the previous post. Casino Royale was top notch, QOS was dire. Bond has dissolved into 'Bourneville', let's get back to Bond.
.....not sure that that would work against him? Moore had done 'The Saint' and made Bond his own, and after the gritty Dalton films they returned to the formula Bond with Brosnan who had done Remmington Steele. Just thinking they may decide after the Craig movies to return once more to the Bond formula with someone like Armitage with the TV background he has?
5 ft tall is too short for Bond
5 feet???
James Bond is a fictional and idealised character. Any similarity or shared characteristics between him and a real operative is a miracle, and not to be welcomed.
That said, I think things aren't looking rosy at the moment. MGM said in bankruptcy statements that they need a production partner to take care of 50% of costs for Bond 23, and said partner is nowhere in sight right now. There isn't the shadow of a script and without that they can't cast people for roles. In short, it would take a miracle to get things going for a 2012 release, at MGM's and EON's ridiculously slow-paced working habits. It could be though that someone finally injects some sense and some efficiency into them (yeah I know, but hope springs eternal, and when there's shortage of money this is more likely to happen). So it may still happen. But, things need to get rolling ASAP for them to be able to release the movie in 2012. If they don't, I doubt Craig will even want to be involved in it. 2012 release is late enough for him (they wouldn't realistically be able to film earlier than the first half of 2012), anything beyond that, I doubt he will seriously consider. And, I don't think production partners will be ok with him being in a Bond movie any later than that, as well.
Again, much as I dislike Craig, I wish no ill on him and I really dislike when actors aren't treated fairly, so I do not want this to end badly for him at all. I'll be fine if he does Bond 23 and the movie is released in 2012, and I by all means hope that will be a drastic improvement from the horror that was QoS. For Craig and most of all for the franchise. I want to see Henry Cavill as the next Bond, so they better not mess this up!
I second that statement. One of my complaints about Craig is that he looks way too "average Joe" to be Bond. Bond is way above average, and I like him exactly for that reason.