But did Vesper ever find out that he was not really kidnapped? I assumed she thought he was dead at that point, which would - in her mind - give her the all-clear to pursue Bond without all the previous emotional baggage.
My impression is that she remained convinced that he was alive, and held prisoner.
Oh, and I'd hardly say that the Bond/Vesper relationship is the biggest fork in the road between fans and non-fans... what about the fact Bond's blond, uncouth, impulsive and repeatedly disobeys orders? )
Well, I didn't say "biggest"---I said "now classic" fork in the road The rash headstrong blond Bond would be another
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
If it wasn't for the fact I would love to see Dan Craig do another Bond film, I probably wouldn't be too bothered about Bond 23. But now with the film suspended for goodness knows how long, I would like to see it (Brillantly written, edited, acted and directed, mind!) more then ever.
It's the Dada thread. Up is down, black is white, day is night, Roger Moore is the 'best Bond'...
Bond was supposed to be a Bad Ass(c).
He was in WWII.
He had a scar down his cheek.
He 'smiled grimly' when he found a pick up weapon.
Fleming used lots of good adjectives for Bond: dangerous, cruel, ruthless, cold etc.
Funny how silly, foppish and clownlike are not among them.
Daniel Craig looks dangerous.
Roger Moore looks...not so dangerous, even in his day.
To answer the title of the thread: I care about Bond 23 because I want more Bond movies.
Not Moore Bond movies. )
Very, very well put. You have summed up in a very few words, my entire Bond philosophy. Thank you.
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i love roger moore as bond as i did sean and even george's one outing. i see bond as constantly evolving and reflective of the era they were made in. i think craig's two outing's were very good and revived the franchise. tho admittedly i was not a fan off brosnan movies, not including goldeneye which despite a poor soundtrack was a good movie. no one is right or wrong, we just have different tastes. tho i think most would agree on which films were terrible e.g. DAD lol
if james bond had not changed and evolved with the times it would have ended long ago. whats good about bond is there is something to cater for everyone in the serious tho DAD is unforgivable lol
Just for the record it goes to show how much you really "know". After all the last two Bond films are the closest that any Bond film has come to the Bond Books, which if I remember correctly were written by Fleming. So I'm just sure that he would be just fine with the way Bond has turned out.
As far as the franchise being pathetic, yea ok name another film franchise that has 22 all successful films.
I dont care about the Bond books and how much the film Bond does or doesnt resemble Fleming's Bond. The Bond character in the books is completely separate and different to to the Bond character of the films. And that's the way I like it. I saw TSWLM on the big screen when I was a teenager and then checked out the previous films and started following the series. I didnt pick up a Bond book until a few years ago and found the style quite awkward. The Bond I like lives on the silver screen but TWINE is perhaps the last really enjoyable Bond film for me with TND kind of borderline. Then it all went pear shaped.
if james bond had not changed and evolved with the times it would have ended long ago. whats good about bond is there is something to cater for everyone in the serious tho DAD is unforgivable lol
actually Bond was much the same up until the end of the Moore period - women were playthings and feminism was something treated in a tongue in cheek manner (Dr Goodhead the career woman, XXX Bond's Soviet equivalent, etc). Dalton's Bond was scarcely troubled by gender issues but with Brosnan and Goldeneye the hero found himself on the defensive for the first time with M as a woman and Moneypenny no longer a doting groupie.
At this point Bond was leaving the comfort zone of his genre's rules. Since then he has been embattled, neurotic and uncomfortable.
In the Daniel Craig films everyone is the walking wounded - Vesper, Bond and Camille are all extremely tortured.
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My impression is that she remained convinced that he was alive, and held prisoner.
Well, I didn't say "biggest"---I said "now classic" fork in the road
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Very, very well put. You have summed up in a very few words, my entire Bond philosophy. Thank you.
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Just for the record it goes to show how much you really "know". After all the last two Bond films are the closest that any Bond film has come to the Bond Books, which if I remember correctly were written by Fleming. So I'm just sure that he would be just fine with the way Bond has turned out.
As far as the franchise being pathetic, yea ok name another film franchise that has 22 all successful films.
actually Bond was much the same up until the end of the Moore period - women were playthings and feminism was something treated in a tongue in cheek manner (Dr Goodhead the career woman, XXX Bond's Soviet equivalent, etc). Dalton's Bond was scarcely troubled by gender issues but with Brosnan and Goldeneye the hero found himself on the defensive for the first time with M as a woman and Moneypenny no longer a doting groupie.
At this point Bond was leaving the comfort zone of his genre's rules. Since then he has been embattled, neurotic and uncomfortable.
In the Daniel Craig films everyone is the walking wounded - Vesper, Bond and Camille are all extremely tortured.