Would Bond (and Movie fans) accept a "retro Bond"?

It looks like that Bond 23 will not be around until 2012 or 2013. I don't think the movie will be interested in Daniel Craig and Judi Dench may not even be around heaven forbid.

Why not a retro Bond that takes place in the late 50s and early 60s and have Jude Law play Bond? Since Bond was born around 1920, it would be apropiate that some one about his age play 007.

There is still untapped Fleming/Amis material that has to be used.
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  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    It's a great idea and I love the feel of the older films. You are spot-on with Jude Law, I could see him pulling off the Bond of Fleming's timeline very well. However, I don't think the mainstream audience of Bond could take such a dramatic redirection - Craig's was enough and needs to be turned down slightly to regain a little of what went before.
    I could see Jude Law as Harry Palmer - maybe The Ipcress File etc could be remade in such a way, I'd definately pay to see that. :D
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  • zaphodzaphod Posts: 1,183MI6 Agent
    It's a great idea and I love the feel of the older films. You are spot-on with Jude Law, I could see him pulling off the Bond of Fleming's timeline very well. However, I don't think the mainstream audience of Bond could take such a dramatic redirection - Craig's was enough and needs to be turned down slightly to regain a little of what went before.
    I could see Jude Law as Harry Palmer - maybe The Ipcress File etc could be remade in such a way, I'd definately pay to see that. :D


    Harry palmer is a superb suggstion, but Bond please no.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,870Chief of Staff
    Someone else thinks Jude Law should play Harry Palmer....

    http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/04/08/exclusive-michael-caine-thinks-jude-law-should-be-the-next-harry-palmer/

    ... and he ought to know!
  • perdoggperdogg Posts: 432MI6 Agent
    zaphod wrote:
    It's a great idea and I love the feel of the older films. You are spot-on with Jude Law, I could see him pulling off the Bond of Fleming's timeline very well. However, I don't think the mainstream audience of Bond could take such a dramatic redirection - Craig's was enough and needs to be turned down slightly to regain a little of what went before.
    I could see Jude Law as Harry Palmer - maybe The Ipcress File etc could be remade in such a way, I'd definately pay to see that. :D


    Harry palmer is a superb suggstion, but Bond please no.
    why not Law for Bond?
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,340MI6 Agent
    I would like to see the "Young Bond" novels filmed, perhaps as a mini-series for TV. I would also like to read a follow-up book series about Bond during WWII. I don't think movies with a adult Bond set in the 50's or 60's is a good idea, and definately not Jude Law. Law is too famous and not nearly masculine enough. There is absolutely no reason to replace Craig or Densh if Bond 23# comes out in two or three years. If it takes five or more years, perhaps.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Law just isn't A-grade material. He's a character actor, a side star. Even in Ripley, he's not the main star although he seems to steal the film from Damon, it's not the same as having a film to himself. Again, in Holmes he's great too, but he's the side man and very good in that role. But when he's the main guy, it can be awful. (Alfie...) He just doesn't have that charisma to connect with the audience. In a way he reminds me a bit of Christopher Plummer in his day, and I could see Law take the role Plummer took in that war film about the crooked spy, which co-starred Gert Frobe. Plummer was a hollow leading man, great in Sound of Music as a foil to Julie Andrews, but not as a main guy.
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  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    perdogg wrote:
    It looks like that Bond 23 will not be around until 2012 or 2013. I don't think the movie will be interested in Daniel Craig and Judi Dench may not even be around heaven forbid.

    i'm sure judi is delighted with your comments there dogg :))
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  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    Jude Law as James Bond ? Oh sweet lord no. We already had a metrosexual portrayal of James in The World Is Not Enough, one is too much.
  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 917MI6 Agent
    It's a great idea and I love the feel of the older films. You are spot-on with Jude Law, I could see him pulling off the Bond of Fleming's timeline very well. However, I don't think the mainstream audience of Bond could take such a dramatic redirection - Craig's was enough and needs to be turned down slightly to regain a little of what went before.
    I could see Jude Law as Harry Palmer - maybe The Ipcress File etc could be remade in such a way, I'd definately pay to see that. :D
    T always thought Jason Statham would make a good Harry Palmer,rough edge uncouth agent.
  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    superdaddy wrote:
    It's a great idea and I love the feel of the older films. You are spot-on with Jude Law, I could see him pulling off the Bond of Fleming's timeline very well. However, I don't think the mainstream audience of Bond could take such a dramatic redirection - Craig's was enough and needs to be turned down slightly to regain a little of what went before.
    I could see Jude Law as Harry Palmer - maybe The Ipcress File etc could be remade in such a way, I'd definately pay to see that. :D
    T always thought Jason Statham would make a good Harry Palmer,rough edge uncouth agent.

    LOL genius casting occuring here ! A metrosexual playing Bond and now a soccer hooligan playing Palmer.

    I don't want to offend anyone when I say that. I just think that the casting choices are the polar opposites of the characters.
  • ClarkeyClarkey FrancePosts: 32MI6 Agent
    perdogg wrote:
    It looks like that Bond 23 will not be around until 2012 or 2013.
    Why not a retro Bond that takes place in the late 50s and early 60s and have Jude Law play Bond? Since Bond was born around 1920, it would be apropiate that some one about his age play 007.

    There is still untapped Fleming/Amis material that has to be used.

    I think it could be a good idea. Especially about Jude. -{
  • perdoggperdogg Posts: 432MI6 Agent
    Ricardo C. wrote:
    superdaddy wrote:
    It's a great idea and I love the feel of the older films. You are spot-on with Jude Law, I could see him pulling off the Bond of Fleming's timeline very well. However, I don't think the mainstream audience of Bond could take such a dramatic redirection - Craig's was enough and needs to be turned down slightly to regain a little of what went before.
    I could see Jude Law as Harry Palmer - maybe The Ipcress File etc could be remade in such a way, I'd definately pay to see that. :D
    T always thought Jason Statham would make a good Harry Palmer,rough edge uncouth agent.

    LOL genius casting occuring here ! A metrosexual playing Bond and now a soccer hooligan playing Palmer.

    I don't want to offend anyone when I say that. I just think that the casting choices are the polar opposites of the characters.

    A lot of British actors are fey any way.

    If being a Metrosexual mean "having relations" Sienna Miller, then what is the bloody downside? I thought he was great in "Gattaca" and "Breaking and Entering".

    I would love to do a remake of "Live and Let Die" closer to the orginial Fleming novel with the following cast:

    Jude Law - James Bond

    Michelle Ryan - Simone Latrelle aka Solitaire

    Charles S. Dutton - Buonaparte Ignace Gallia

    Guy Pearce - Felix Leiter
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  • zaphodzaphod Posts: 1,183MI6 Agent
    perdogg wrote:
    zaphod wrote:
    It's a great idea and I love the feel of the older films. You are spot-on with Jude Law, I could see him pulling off the Bond of Fleming's timeline very well. However, I don't think the mainstream audience of Bond could take such a dramatic redirection - Craig's was enough and needs to be turned down slightly to regain a little of what went before.
    I could see Jude Law as Harry Palmer - maybe The Ipcress File etc could be remade in such a way, I'd definately pay to see that. :D


    Harry palmer is a superb suggstion, but Bond please no.
    why not Law for Bond?

    Too fey, too bald(ing), not tough enough...just generally too lightwieght in every sense. There is just nothing 'Bondian' about him
  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    perdogg wrote:
    Ricardo C. wrote:
    superdaddy wrote:
    T always thought Jason Statham would make a good Harry Palmer,rough edge uncouth agent.

    LOL genius casting occuring here ! A metrosexual playing Bond and now a soccer hooligan playing Palmer.

    I don't want to offend anyone when I say that. I just think that the casting choices are the polar opposites of the characters.

    A lot of British actors are fey any way.

    If being a Metrosexual mean "having relations" Sienna Miller, then what is the bloody downside? I thought he was great in "Gattaca" and "Breaking and Entering".

    I would love to do a remake of "Live and Let Die" closer to the orginial Fleming novel with the following cast:

    Jude Law - James Bond

    Michelle Ryan - Simone Latrelle aka Solitaire

    Charles S. Dutton - Buonaparte Ignace Gallia

    Guy Pearce - Felix Leiter


    As zpahod said, the guy is TOO fey. He isn't James Bond, he too much of a leightweight and carries himself that way. I could not believe for a minute he could this hard-as-nails, heavy drinking, heavy smoking agent deadly secret agent if he was choosen for an adaptation of a Fleming novel. "Getting some" certaintly does not making anymore of a man either, the guy is too much of a dandy. Manly men should play Bond like Hugh Jackman or Gerard Butler; They could play men who feel the weight of the world yet carry themselves as if nothing happened as well as show great vuneralibilty.
  • perdoggperdogg Posts: 432MI6 Agent
    Ricardo C. wrote:
    Manly men should play Bond like Hugh Jackman or Gerard Butler; They could play men who feel the weight of the world yet carry themselves as if nothing happened as well as show great vuneralibilty.


    Hugh Jackman was considered to play Bond after Pierce Brosnan by EON rejected him saying he was "too fey". Source: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/film/article-20638955-how-craig-beat-his-rivals.do


    Gerard Butler, eventhough was in 300 and in Tomorrow Never Dies, was also in PS I Love You. I would not be opposed to GB.
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  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    perdogg wrote:
    Ricardo C. wrote:
    Manly men should play Bond like Hugh Jackman or Gerard Butler; They could play men who feel the weight of the world yet carry themselves as if nothing happened as well as show great vuneralibilty.


    Hugh Jackman was considered to play Bond after Pierce Brosnan by EON rejected him saying he was "too fey". Source: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/film/article-20638955-how-craig-beat-his-rivals.do


    Gerard Butler, eventhough was in 300 and in Tomorrow Never Dies, was also in PS I Love You. I would not be opposed to GB.

    I am sorry but I would like a reliable source. If someone actually had the guall to dismiss Hugh Jackman as too fey at Eon, someone should be fired and then killed afterwards. :))
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    IndedeHe is as wrond for 007 as Connert and Dalton.Not at all.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,755MI6 Agent
    The stuff about Hugh Jackman being rejected by EON for being "too fey" is just a bunch of tabloid and internet nonsense that was fueled by Jackman's stint on broadway playing gay entertainer Peter Allen in a musical based on his life. IMO I think EON probably didn't pursue Jackman because his price would have been too high.
  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    The stuff about Hugh Jackman being rejected by EON for being "too fey" is just a bunch of tabloid and internet nonsense that was fueled by Jackman's stint on broadway playing gay entertainer Peter Allen in a musical based on his life. IMO I think EON probably didn't pursue Jackman because his price would have been too high.

    IDK. I think the producers decided to go with a more un-conventional choice.
  • SilentSpySilentSpy Private Exotic AreaPosts: 765MI6 Agent
    I would have liked Casino Royale to be a retro Bond. But now we are stuck. They just rebooted him in the present. After a so so (borderline poor) sequel and a delay the series is in trouble. Daniel Craig should do at least two more. But I think he will do one at best. Who knows what we'll get after that. I just watched my favorite (if I had to choose) last night - Thunderball. I watch it every month or so. It never gets old. I don't think we'll ever see a run like the Connery films again.
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  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    Technically, the Connery Bonds are a 'retro' Bond of the sixties. You can't get any more accurate as to what the times were like than that, and the plots would also be indicative of what would be an appropriate mix of fantasy and realism for that time.
  • Thunderbird 2Thunderbird 2 East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,817MI6 Agent
    The idea of a retro style alternate Bond character is a good one, say in the Victorian era, or during the height of the Second World War, but I agree with Darenhat.

    Bond himself is a character of danger, sex and the high life in the present. Each film reflects the style and look of the time period in which they were made. Anything post the fifites would be a solid retread of the existing, classic films. Even CR is there already, with its Post push button slab but pre IPhone mob / cell phones and the news online webpage. (Pre the Youtube and Iplayer / Replay interfaces we have now). The new skyfleet airliner though fictional, locks down the then media buzz of the Airbus A380 too. I miss Concorde!

    Sorry SilentSpy, I am glad CR was done in the "present" timeframe. I am 35 now, I consider CR to be my version of From Russia, or Goldfinger. Those classics are films of my Grandad's generation. Brilliant films as they are, they are the Bond films that inspired my Grandparents. CR as it is, inspired me in the same way.

    As to Mr Craig? He wants to continue to play Bond. I hope he gets the chance to, because he is brilliant in the role when the character is written well. I can see him doing two more films, if things get sorted out sooner, rather than later. In the meantime, he is getting the most critical thing any and all actors need - the promise of regular work!
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  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    I don't mind the use of modern tech in Bond films but christ, look at the cell phone useage Casino Royale. Bond smoked out a major terrorist plot by just picking up someone's phone every so often. 8-)

    Also enough with the Dirty Harry "screw the man" antics. M is suppose to be the closest thing Bond has to a parent in his life; Enough with the disrespect. I want Bond to fear M like she is the bloody head of MI6 !

    Simply put, keep 'em in the present timeline but don't forget the characters.
  • zaphodzaphod Posts: 1,183MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    The stuff about Hugh Jackman being rejected by EON for being "too fey" is just a bunch of tabloid and internet nonsense that was fueled by Jackman's stint on broadway playing gay entertainer Peter Allen in a musical based on his life. IMO I think EON probably didn't pursue Jackman because his price would have been too high.


    EON are known to be notoriously cheap. I do not buy the fey thing with him at all. I don't think EON would have considered him because of cost and profile (too famous) rather than anything else. I feel that his Bond may have been closer to that of Pierce than anything else. That said I have always felt that Pierce's Bond suffered more from lazy film making and poor scripts rather than anything else. In my view both he and Jackman could have delivered a hard-edged Bond under the right circumstances. Jackman certainly looked the part, and as showed as Wolverine that he can more than handle the derring -do/fisti-cuffs
  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    edited August 2010
    zaphod wrote:
    HowardB wrote:
    The stuff about Hugh Jackman being rejected by EON for being "too fey" is just a bunch of tabloid and internet nonsense that was fueled by Jackman's stint on broadway playing gay entertainer Peter Allen in a musical based on his life. IMO I think EON probably didn't pursue Jackman because his price would have been too high.


    EON are known to be notoriously cheap. I do not buy the fey thing with him at all. I don't think EON would have considered him because of cost and profile (too famous) rather than anything else. I feel that his Bond may have been closer to that of Pierce than anything else. That said I have always felt that Pierce's Bond suffered more from lazy film making and poor scripts rather than anything else. In my view both he and Jackman could have delivered a hard-edged Bond under the right circumstances. Jackman certainly looked the part, and as showed as Wolverine that he can more than handle the derring -do/fisti-cuffs


    Pierce suffered from the lazy film making but I could never take him as a hard-edged agent. Sorry, but he looked too much like a Esquire or GQ model. I am not saying Hugh Jackman wouldn't easily grace the covers of those magazines either but to me comes off as more of a manly man in the vein of Kirk Douglas or Robert Mitchum; Handsome but someone who would scratch his balls and drink a beer. :))

    Now Dalton is someone I felt really was cheated because he was a shakespearean trained actor working with a B-level action director like John Glen. As a matter of fact Dalton hated working with Glen so much that he sued to get out of that awful Christopher Columbus film in 1991 when he found out John took over as director, among other reasons.

    EON has changed it's penny-pinching ways slightly by signing on directors who actually made a critical splash in the movie industry. However we'll probably never see a director with as much clout as Ridley Scott or Steven Speilberg directing anytime soon. It has to do with money but it also has to do with who they could control. Directors such as Scott or Speilberg are not easily pushed around, even by studios heads; They would definetly walk off a film if they were annoyed too much and knowing that they could get another job at another studio.
  • SpectreBlofeldSpectreBlofeld AroundPosts: 364MI6 Agent
    I wish we could time-travel back to 1995 and shovel Adrian Paul in the role, mais c'est la vie...
  • SilentSpySilentSpy Private Exotic AreaPosts: 765MI6 Agent
    The idea of a retro style alternate Bond character is a good one, say in the Victorian era, or during the height of the Second World War, but I agree with Darenhat.

    Bond himself is a character of danger, sex and the high life in the present. Each film reflects the style and look of the time period in which they were made. Anything post the fifites would be a solid retread of the existing, classic films. Even CR is there already, with its Post push button slab but pre IPhone mob / cell phones and the news online webpage. (Pre the Youtube and Iplayer / Replay interfaces we have now). The new skyfleet airliner though fictional, locks down the then media buzz of the Airbus A380 too. I miss Concorde!

    Sorry SilentSpy, I am glad CR was done in the "present" timeframe. I am 35 now, I consider CR to be my version of From Russia, or Goldfinger. Those classics are films of my Grandad's generation. Brilliant films as they are, they are the Bond films that inspired my Grandparents. CR as it is, inspired me in the same way.

    As to Mr Craig? He wants to continue to play Bond. I hope he gets the chance to, because he is brilliant in the role when the character is written well. I can see him doing two more films, if things get sorted out sooner, rather than later. In the meantime, he is getting the most critical thing any and all actors need - the promise of regular work!

    I wouldn't put Casino Royale in with any of the great Connery films. I didn't grow up with Connery as Bond either but I think of him as Bond. He is still the guy to beat. Daniel Craig has Bond moments throughout Casino Royale but doesn't fully become Bond until the end. Which is why Quantum is such a major disappointment to me. As the film is pretty much a standard action film. Connery is Bond from the moment we meet him in Dr. No.

    Maybe retro is the wrong word to use. Probably "period" Bond would be better. People were saying flat out that they couldn't do a period Bond film. I think because they didn't want to or were scared at how difficult it might be. However, now that Mad Men (TV show) is a success, people think differently.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Well...I've got a producer buddy shopping a certain private eye book (see my signature! :v ) around L.A. that is both 'retro' and 'period', so I hope such a thing's not impossible! :s Still, 'period' is always more of a challenge...but with Bond, I'd absolutely love to see it someday. However, I doubt I will.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,870Chief of Staff
    SilentSpy wrote:
    Maybe retro is the wrong word to use. Probably "period" Bond would be better. People were saying flat out that they couldn't do a period Bond film. I think because they didn't want to or were scared at how difficult it might be. However, now that Mad Men (TV show) is a success, people think differently.

    100% agree; and there's a chunk of unused Fleming material that would fit the bill, too.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    "Too fey." Exactly the phrase that came to my mind at the mere suggestion of Jude Law as Bond, Please, no!!!

    zaphod wrote:
    perdogg wrote:
    zaphod wrote:


    Harry palmer is a superb suggstion, but Bond please no.
    why not Law for Bond?

    Too fey, too bald(ing), not tough enough...just generally too lightwieght in every sense. There is just nothing 'Bondian' about him
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