Montenegro Tie - Has anybody ever found the real one, does it exist?

welshboy78 · February 2011

Out of all the Daniel Craig era ties the Montenegro tie really does stand out the most stunning for me.

I downloaded a high res pic of it from another forum and it looks stunning from a distance however when zoomed in looks totally different.

I believe it is a Ted Baker however seen very similar Brioni patterns in different colours.

Was just wondering if anybody had the real thing or seen it available at the time and kept quiet.

How stunning is the Magnoli version - does it really glitter like the tie in the movie or is it duller? I know people with TF ties say the effect is not the same as Indy due to the obvious differences in silk quality etc

BLU8 · February 2011

As far as I know, no one here has ever found or seen the original CR Montenegro tie. I believe that Asp9mm has said that it's from the Brioni 2004-2005 collection.

I have the Magnoli replica, & it's probably my favourite tie in my collection. It looks stunning, with wonderful texture and colours. Now, I can't comment on how it compares to real Brioni ties, as I don't own any, but it is certainly a very beautiful tie on its own. The Montenegro tie is my favourite Craig tie as well, & I feel that Magnoli's replica does it justice, especially when comparing it to the high-res pics of the original.

Here are some pics of the replica, although they don't compare to how gorgeous it looks in person:

toutbrun · February 2011

I am actually quite shocked to see that this tie LOOKS GOOD! I think the pattern is not as great as the Tom Fords, but it's definitely a good tie. We should harass Brioni for more information, maybe promise them like a 10-20 ties order!

Mac · February 2011

Brioni and Tom Ford ties are incomparable to their Magnoli replicas–they truly are miles apart.

People have tried before to get a reorder of Bond ties from Brioni, however they pride themselves on being exclusive and said no, unequivocally.

welshboy78 · February 2011

Quite a few people asked Brioni and T&A if I remember rightly if the tie was done by them. Both denied it so ive often wondered if we are barking up the wrong tree.

Im suprised this item was never confirmed by Lindy as it is one of the standout items of Casino Royale.

Is she even available online to contact? I mean she is not a huge celebrity!!!

Would really be nice to put this one to bed and confirm if it was a one off custom job or really was available. If it was part of a range im sure somebody would have spotted it.

Searching this forum some people swear Ted Baker and one person Brioni but no evidence and seems like opinion, could be another designer I guess

satanama · February 2011

Hi

I remember seeing this tie back then at Ted Baker's website, and today I regret not having bought it

:(:(

007DAN · February 2011

I have the Magnoli version of this tie and it is incredible. I also have the Kazan tie and the blue QoS tie, all three of them are amazing but the Montinegro tie is by far my favourite. The fabric is beautiful and the knot is perfect almost every time.

toutbrun · February 2011

Well it's true that the Tom Fords are the most incredible ties I have ever seen, especially the ones in the movie (more than his usual collections).

I wish we could have at least ONE Brioni...

Spica · May 2011

Hello all. BLU8, I think your replica is not the same tie as seen in Casino Royale Montenegro scene. If you look carefully, the pattern is not vertical/horizontal but rather angled. At first I thought it is checker pattern but in the end I found it is probably Houndstooth Tie by Turnbull & Asser. It is hard to tell the colour since post production may change it a lot but it could be Grey and Silver White.

Turnbull_and_Asser_Houndstooth_Tie_Grey_and_Silver_White.jpg

http://store.turnbullandasser.co.uk/Ties/Houndstooth/Houndstooth_Tie_-_Grey_and_Silver_White.html

I tried to compare it side by side and made some colour balance, but of course it will not look the same without same post process.

toutbrun · May 2011

I would buy the Magnoli ties if they were self tipped. I think it makes all the difference in the world.

BLU8 · May 2011

I agree that the screencap that you have posted makes the tie look more checkered as opposed to the mini-squares pattern. However, I believe that this is an effect of the lighting & post-production work done on the film, which distorts the way the tie looks in person. If you watch the scene where Bond & Vesper are heading to the hotel on Blu-Ray hi-def, you can see the fine blue & silver square details of the tie, which match Magnoli's replica.

In addition, this hi-res publicity photo pretty much confirms the pattern of the Montenegro tie: http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/B_LU8/DanielCraigasJamesBond00758-1.jpg

Other posters here can vouch for Magnoli's commitment to accuracy and detail. He usually doesn't replicate something without high-resolution detailed closeups, or occasionally a fabric swatch from the original.

toutbrun · May 2011

BLU8 wrote:

I agree that the screencap that you have posted makes the tie look more checkered as opposed to the mini-squares pattern. However, I believe that this is an effect of the lighting & post-production work done on the film, which distorts the way the tie looks in person. If you watch the scene where Bond & Vesper are heading to the hotel on Blu-Ray hi-def, you can see the fine blue & silver square details of the tie, which match Magnoli's replica.

In addition, this hi-res publicity photo pretty much confirms the pattern of the Montenegro tie: http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/B_LU8/DanielCraigasJamesBond00758-1.jpg

Other posters here can vouch for Magnoli's commitment to accuracy and detail. He usually doesn't replicate something without high-resolution detailed closeups, or occasionally a fabric swatch from the original.

The Montenegro tie is nice, but what you said is not true. The Bolivia tie was obviously made without any swatch, and the first Kazan was messed up.

Don't forget that, on average, made in China ties (according to CBC) cost about 1$ to make.

But I appreciate what he does. But it's no reason not to always try to improve.

I love Magnoli, though.

EDIT: He should make self tipped ties. The Tom Ford are.

007 and a half · May 2011

Interesting to notice he's wearing the steel bracelet Omega Planet Ocean whereas he didn't wear that version in Casino Royale.

BLU8 · May 2011

As is the case with every business, mistakes and errors will inevitably be made. Fortunately, Magnoli usually recognizes these when they occur and works to improve or correct them. For example:

-re-releasing the Montenegro tie with the correct dimensions
-re-releasing the Bolivia Champagne tie with an improved pattern (hopefully this month?)
-putting the incorrect Silver Kazan tie as a clearance item, while also releasing his improved, more screen-accurate version

The great thing about Magnoli is that he works hard to make his products as accurate as possible, but when mistakes happen, he listens to the feedback from his customers and fans in order to correct and improve upon his work.

As for self-tipping his ties, last year I bought the Silver Kazan tie as a gift for my dad, and it was self-tipped, so it's possible that he may start doing this to his newer tie models. You can always e-mail him to ask about it.

toutbrun · May 2011

BLU8 wrote:

As is the case with every business, mistakes and errors will inevitably be made. Fortunately, Magnoli usually recognizes these when they occur and works to improve or correct them. For example:

-re-releasing the Montenegro tie with the correct dimensions
-re-releasing the Bolivia Champagne tie with an improved pattern (hopefully this month?)
-putting the incorrect Silver Kazan tie as a clearance item, while also releasing his improved, more screen-accurate version

The great thing about Magnoli is that he works hard to make his products as accurate as possible, but when mistakes happen, he listens to the feedback from his customers and fans in order to correct and improve upon his work.

As for self-tipping his ties, last year I bought the Silver Kazan tie as a gift for my dad, and it was self-tipped, so it's possible that he may start doing this to his newer tie models. You can always e-mail him to ask about it.

That's fair. But it's hard to forgive the Bolivia tie. It looked nothing like the real deal. It's obvious it wasn't made with any swatches. I bought it (along with two Kazan tie) and I had to give them away or sell them, because they're just a waste.

I am thankful for what Magnoli does, I think it's great, but it's sometimes overpriced (cardigan, the 350$ jacket) and not always accurate.

For example, the cardigan is not accurate in fabric and in the finer details of the buttons and the neck design, when there are pictures available since a long time, etc.

I would rebuy some of the ties if they indeed are self tipped.

welshboy78 · September 2011

Well I'm certainly convinced its def not a Ted Baker tie, im sure we would have seen it come around on eBay over the last few years as stacks on there and they are starting to look familiar.

Any chance this tie is a one off (like the Madagascar shirt)

Ive seen Brioni that is close pattern wise but diff colour however sure we would have seen one of these on flea bay also if it was a released model.

nms75 · September 2011

Mac wrote:

Brioni and Tom Ford ties are incomparable to their Magnoli replicas–they truly are miles apart.

People have tried before to get a reorder of Bond ties from Brioni, however they pride themselves on being exclusive and said no, unequivocally.

Interesting comment since if the original Brioni or TF tie is not available how do you compare it directly with the Magnoli replica???

NMS

BLU8 · September 2011

I think Mac may be referring to other Bond ties besides the Montenegro one, such as the TF ties from QoS vs. Magnoli's replicas.

Welshboy78: It's possible that the CR Montenegro tie was a special design created just the film, but I'm sure I read an article/interview with Lindy Hemming where she said that her & Daniel Craig hand-picked Bond's ties from off-the-rack designs by Brioni, Ted Baker, T&A, etc. This would indicate that they were items that were widely available to the public as well. This may seem odd given that the originals have never surfaced, but I suppose it's possible that they're all in the hands of collectors or wealthy tie-wearers who don't want to sell them, or may not even be aware of their tie's connection to the Bond legacy.

That said, I believe that Bond's ties in TND were custom-made for the movie by T&A based on Hemming's designs, so she does have a precedent of creating unique ties for Bond to wear. The same applies for the Joker's tie in The Dark Knight, which was a special commission by Hemming for T&A.

Aston Martin DBS · September 2011

Showing my ignorance here but what is a self tipped tie?

BLU8 · September 2011

Aston Martin DBS wrote:

Showing my ignorance here but what is a self tipped tie?

It's when a tie is lined with the same material as its outer shell, instead of a different lining. It's usually a feature on higher-end ties with better construction & quality (not to mention a higher price tag).

Here's an example: http://imageshack.us/f/65/img3522kg6.jpg/

Seamast · September 2011

Only great brand make self tipped tie. Usually, Tom Ford, Brioni, Marinella make self tipped ties. But other Brands, like T&A, dont use the same silk to make front and back of the tie, and their ties are excelent quality. I think their ties are better than TF ties.

Montenegro Tie - Has anybody ever found the real one, does it exist?

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